Why communism failed in Poland?

Was it due to leaders' incompetence,or...?

Cuban, Cambodian or Russian communism?.

Communism was bound to fail because it goes against human nature.

People were not treated all the same during communism, humans can not do that.
Banana economics, people did not need to work at their jobs because they would be paid anyway,
100% employment they called it 100% disaster i call it.
Communism i find that it is all about the party.

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Good choice of topic.

It didn't fail at all. It worked out greatly for Party members and for the Soviets. Poland provided exactly what it was to provide - a huge amount of food products, steel, coal, ships, etc. for the Soviets. I hope you are not under the impression that communism is about equality.

Not that it failed. It just lived in Poland less than for instance in the USSR. History fetches a circle. We might come back to the comminism under the different name (the EU already became to have some socialistic deviation).


So you assert that the USSR just pumped out resources from Poland? :)

No. It was flooding us with tones of luxury goods.

Well...a great difference and an objective measure:

Who tries to escape from where!

People voted against the Communism with their feet...people had to get imprisoned in huge jails to keep them together.
And do you want the newest statistics about those millions wanting to get IN to the EU?

There is no comparison!

True
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I don't want to compare the exact things. In fact there's nothing bad in any ideology. What's usually bad is the way it conducts. Just sit and wait for the way it will be conduct this time... then we may have an exchange of views.

Rubbish.


If the theory doesn't fit change the people....Rubbish.


If the Socialist scandinavians have their way the E.U. would be socialist but that is watered down communism.

Bloody commie! ha ha ha ha

Which we always politely declined so we wouldn't appear too dacadent like those imperialistic swines from western Europe. Tffuu!

On a serious note. They used to tell the Russians that the shortages in their stores were because they had to help the satellite countries. Always pitting one group against another. What's interesting is that Poles had to learn Russian in schools, while Russians learned...English.

The point is that after the collapse the products which Poland provided were of no demand in the West,while the soviet raw materials which SU provided to Poland became highly popular in the West.

A brilliant argument.


Yes, this is a rubbish. I said some different thing.


That politician tool is still alive.

I have to agree with Seanny here, Sasha. Don't you have the term 'flawed ideology' in Russian?

Thank you, i write my own material :)

Could communists have produced better results in Poland?

Define results, results in what?

Rise of living standards.

Do you really think that communists are adept at doing that?? Even a more capitalist Poland struggled to do that and sustain it.

Communism is failing the U.S. as we speak.

It was the ultimate goal to achieve rise of the living standards.It would determine if the system survived or not.

Rise of living standards for who? In practice I mean, not in theory.

Why, the lazy, of course.

In communism everyone had to work.There were no lazy.

I think we don't. Sean (the Scottish one), any ideology more or less flawed. Often if it fits one social group it squeezes another. It would never satisfy everybody.

The naming of ideology is like a brand for people some of them are talked-up and own good reputation some vice-versa. Politicians just change the naming convention using the older approach with some changes of course to conform to the actual reality.

Quite funny to track the communists... in the beginning of last century they're all to a man Jews and atheist ruining Christian (Orthodox&Catholic) churches. The current version is they're all Russians, faithful, criticizing the government for being undemocratic but still are demagogues.

So there is something bad in an ideology if it is irrational and exclusionist.

There is no 'ideal' ideology, LOL

No, Communism in Poland was a buffer zone, a stooge a puppet between those commie Ruskies and the West.
This could never have benefited Poland and Polish people found that out quickly.



I wouldn't have said lazy, just conditioned not to do their job, it is still evident today.
I will put it another way, it was 100% employment but there was no reason to work, you were not going to get more money or lose your job.

One of the major pitfalls of communism was there are no incentives, just Siberia if you talked against them.

They created problems so people could work.
"Communism heroically fought obstacles that other countries just don't have".

It is because Communism butts up against human nature.

Communism was just one great control mechanism which was FAR off giving people the kind of life which they can now enjoy.

It is a system for weirdos.

Why Communism Failed in Poland

Communism failed because it is a false doctrine...Communism was created and spearheaded by 'Atheistic Jewish Utopians'...They fell back on their Jewish/Talmudic roots when they put it into practice, basing the system on the Jewish 'kahal' or commune, which was a beehive like entity ruled by 'queen bee' like 'elders' who dictated to the less fortunate 'drone' Jews...Also, it was supposed to be a 'worker's paradise', but in fact was a feudalist empire, crated by bankers/capitalists, run by sub-mentality bureaucrats, for the enslavement of the common man (or 'goyim')...Poles, as Catholics, and also as a freedom loving people, naturally would resist such a 'creation'...This is why it failed.

What are you talking about?.
Have you any thing to back up these statements?.

Please read historical sources...The information is readily available...If you want individual tutorial sessions from me, we can arrange that, but there will be a charge.