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Salaries in corporations vs elsewhere in Poland; interview procedures


Lia 1 | 1
28 Nov 2014 #1
Hello.

Hello everyone. I am new here.

I am currently having some interviews for different job positions. I don't speak Polish, but I speak English quite well and Italian, + some useless language and some basic German. I have a short work history.

At the first moment at the phone interviews I said maybe too low salaries, is it a problem? Can I still change it for 50-100 eur? Will they take care of what I said at first? Do they have some special psychological tricks, like in the end they offer you a slightly lower salary from the lowest salary you said in the interview?

How much should I expect for a work in a travel agency? And in customer sevice with Italian? And in the position of executive assistant of bosses with English? The 2 last jobs are in big corporations in Krakow.

What and why would you recommend?

Thank you for the answers.
DominicB - | 2,678
29 Nov 2014 #2
At the first moment at the phone interviews I said maybe too low salaries

Never, but never, answer that question. At all. There is never a way that you can answer it without hurting yourself in further negotiations, as you found out. Make THEM make an offer first. Always. And ALWAYS take a few days before reacting to their offer. Never let them talk you into doing otherwise. If you do, that just proves to them that you are a complete idiot that they can f.uck over however and whenever they want. And when it comes to wages, that is exactly what they plan to do.

work in a travel agency? And in customer service with Italian? And in the position of executive assistant of bosses with English?

All three of those jobs are unlikely to pay more than 3000 PLN brutto, and probably a good bit less, especially to someone with little experience or other special skills. Even if you are desperate, that is certainly too little to make relocating to Poland worthwhile, and probably not even enough to justify staying in Poland if you are already there.

In other words, you are wasting your time looking for what amounts to unskilled jobs in Poland because wages are far too low and the labor pool is abundant. Try elsewhere in one of the richer countries.
cms 9 | 1,271
29 Nov 2014 #3
But Dominic if you are interviewing 4 or 5 people for the same job then of course you must either ask them what they expect or you will not be able to make a decision. i do that all the time. If someone refused to answer i would politely push them for a fugure and if they still didnt answer i would take them out the process.
OP Lia 1 | 1
29 Nov 2014 #4
Aha.
Well, I have my own reasons why to work here.
And what do you think about changing the expected salary and saying a bit higher one? Is it somehow possible? Like saying, that for the beginning I would be ok with 3500, but after some time and getting more serious and responsible tasks, I would like my salary to be higher.

I said to one company from 3500 to 4000, but then I read on internet, that in this company they pay much more. For another one, that is known for paying low salaries, I said the same amount, but I think, the position is worth more, according to the tasks you have. Well, I am always saying, that I am not that familiar with the system of salaries in Poland.

I have some important experience also in the fields required, but not a lot, since I am not that old. I speak foreign languages and I have a master degree.

How is it to ask for a contract long 6 or more months? Or to ask to have a higher salary after few months? And agree about that on paper?

I would just like to have a real idea on how much should I expect for these roles. Especially for an executive assistant of bosses. It sounds a demanding work, but I have no idea about the salary.
lateStarter 2 | 45
30 Nov 2014 #5
I don't see anything wrong with offering to come in at a lower rate if they agree to a review in 3-6 months. I have done that for my last 2 Software Dev jobs in Poland. I am old for the industry so I basically had to prove in the first 3 months I could contribute. I'm not financially strapped so I could afford to work for a lesser salary for a few months until they felt comfortable. If you are confident in your skills and abilities give it a shot. It seems like a lot of places will hire you for a 3 month trial period anyway, which IMHO is actually not a bad idea for both parties. They get to see what you can do and you get to find out if you actually like to work there.
InWroclaw 89 | 1,915
30 Nov 2014 #6
All three of those jobs are unlikely to pay more than 3000 PLN brutto, and probably a good bit less, especially to someone with little experience or other special skills. Even if you are desperate, that is certainly too little to make relocating to Poland worthwhile, and probably not even enough to justify staying in Poland if you are already there.

That's very much how it seems to me too.

And OP don't forget it works out at about 33% less after taxes.
DominicB - | 2,678
1 Dec 2014 #7
I said to one company from 3500 to 4000, but then I read on internet, that in this company they pay much more.

That would be pretty near the tippity-top of the range for the jobs you listed above.

And, as InWroclaw said, that translates only to 2000 to 2500 PLN a month netto. Hardly tempting for a foreigner. For comparison, a studio apartment in Wrocław will cost you about 1500 PLN a month all inclusive, and with less than 1000 PLN a month for other expenses combined, you will be living like a student. I highly doubt they would offer you much more, if anything at all, and I would not count on getting a substantial raise after you start. Poland is an employer's market, not an employee's market, which is why so many Poles seek employment abroad, while very few people from Western Europe come to Poland to work. I advise you to rethink and seek employment elsewhere.

And what do you think about changing the expected salary and saying a bit higher one? Is it somehow possible?

Of course it's possible, and that's exactly what you should do. Ask for 5000 PLN, and don't be disappointed if they turn you down.

Like saying, that for the beginning I would be ok with 3500, but after some time and getting more serious and responsible tasks, I would like my salary to be higher.

That would be incredibly stupid. Once you're hired, they have very little incentive to give you a substantial raise.

I speak foreign languages and I have a master degree.

So do thousands upon thousands of unemployed young people in Poland, and they would be willing to work for half of what you are asking. There is nothing you have said that indicates that you are particularly valuable on the Polish job market, other than being a native speaker of Italian, and that doesn't translate into serious cash. Unless there is something that you are not telling us.

I would just like to have a real idea on how much should I expect for these roles. Especially for an executive assistant of bosses. It sounds a demanding work, but I have no idea about the salary.

Like I said, 3000 PLN butto would be considered very good pay in Poland for any of the jobs you listed. Anything more would be extremely generous. Like I said, there are tons of Poles who would take these jobs for a lot less.
Monitor 14 | 1,820
1 Dec 2014 #8
Ask for 5000pln and don't accept less than 4000. There are many people with foreign languages, but not so many native Italian speakers.


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