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(IT field) moving from India to Poland -Wroclaw in May '11


bnrrv0 2 | 5
23 Mar 2011 #1
Hello Everyone,

I would like to introduce myself to this forum. I am from bangalore ,India a software engineer by profession. My family includes my husband and my 3 year old son. My husband is moving to wroclaw for work and I am planning to join him. I feel the cost of living is high so it would be good to join a job.

I have few questions in mind. I felt this is a very active forum and that I will surely get some good responses.

how are job opportunities for IT in wroclaw, being a foreinger and what is the salary/income I can expect for a .NET developer.
How easy or difficult is it to get a work permit.
How much time does it take to get a polish work permit.

Please do respond as your inputs will help me planning lot of things.

Thanks
Nannu
mafketis 35 | 11,499
23 Mar 2011 #2
Namaskaara,

Mostly bad news, I'm afraid.

For non-EU applicants I'm pretty sure the first work permit must be obtained in your home country (and can then be renewed in Poland) but it has to be for a specific job that you already have an offer for. I'm not entirely sure what the situation for spouses is, you'll need to contact the Polish embassy in India (warning: Polish embassy staff often give mistaken answers, don't believe anything they say without checking elsewhere).

And without very fluent Polish the job market is almost entirely closed. Knowing English without knowing the local language doesn't help you find a job in Europe generally and especially not in Poland. Only a very tiny percentage of non-Polish speaking IT people are recruited inside Poland. Youd have to have a really outstanding CV to even be considered.

olleyadhaagali!
OP bnrrv0 2 | 5
23 Mar 2011 #3
thanks for your detailed response.
marketshare - | 1
23 Mar 2011 #4
Hi Nannu,

Can I ask if you and your husband have anyone assisting you with your relocation to Poland ?
OP bnrrv0 2 | 5
23 Mar 2011 #5
Yes. Since its a relocation for work, My husband's office people will be arranging for Brokers or finding a house and setting up stuff . Hope I answered your question.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
23 Mar 2011 #6
For non-EU applicants I'm pretty sure the first work permit must be obtained in your home country (and can then be renewed in Poland) but it has to be for a specific job that you already have an offer for.

No, not quite - the application is made by the employer in Poland, rather than by the individual. Whether or not it's needed in advance of coming to Poland depends on the visa status of the individual - in her case, as the family member of someone residing in Poland, she doesn't need to leave the country.
mafketis 35 | 11,499
23 Mar 2011 #7
No, not quite -

Okay, I'm clearly out of date.
OP bnrrv0 2 | 5
23 Mar 2011 #8
Okay. So does that mean since my Husband will be a resident I dont need to bother for Work permit as the company which employs me will be taking care of it.
denim007 - | 8
27 Mar 2011 #9
hi Madam,
i am also going to Wroclaw..I will be learning polish language there..and my fiancee is from Poland..I a m also from IT field having masters degree in Software engineering...

if you want we can communicate further..
my email is amitsharmaji2007@gmail
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161
27 Mar 2011 #10
And without very fluent Polish the job market is almost entirely closed.

In some international companies English is basically the working languge.
grubas 12 | 1,390
27 Mar 2011 #11
Dear friends from India and other developing countries outside the EU, don't come to Poland to steal jobs from Polish people.Poland is currently dealing with high unemployment among it's population and you are not welcomed there at the moment,therefore I strongly recommend you to stay where you are.Deciding against this advice may put your health and/or life at serious risk because Polish people are really pissed off about aliens stealing their jobs.Thank you for reading this and I hope Buddha or whatever you believe in will bless your life in your countries of origin.
mephias 11 | 304
27 Mar 2011 #12
grubas

Stupid comments as usual. Unemployment rate is not high for IT. It's employer decision to decide who to hire and in same level of competency and experience they will for sure choose Polish candidates. Business(money) has no nationality, if you are competent, willing to learn more, hard working you can work anywhere in the World (especially in IT). I am working in an international company with Polish people, I can say they are unbiased and fair.
grubas 12 | 1,390
27 Mar 2011 #13
It's employer decision to decide who to hire and in same level of competency and experience they will for sure choose Polish candidates.

No mister,in Poland Polish people must be given absolute priority when it comes to employment.

Business(money) has no nationality, if you are competent, willing to learn more, hard working you can work anywhere in the World (especially in IT).

Then the bussines is free to do its bussines OUTSIDE of Poland.Currently there is a big mess in this country and foraigners do as they please but that's about to change soon.
Lodz_The_Boat 32 | 1,535
27 Mar 2011 #14
Thanks
Nannu

You learn Polish when you arrive Poland. How long are you planning to be here?
mephias 11 | 304
27 Mar 2011 #15
grubas

What an ignorant!, you don't know laws of your own country. It is not a surprise that you don't want to live in a competitive environment. You simply wouldn't survive.
grubas 12 | 1,390
27 Mar 2011 #16
you don't know laws of your own country

I know the law in Poland is a mess and that's enough for me to know.We will change it.

you don't want to live in a competitive environment

I want to live in Poland but not the Poland as it is now.Polish people are angry and tired of this Poland and rather sooner than later Polish patriots will take over the power and bring the country back to its greatness.
mephias 11 | 304
27 Mar 2011 #17
I know the law in Poland is a mess and that's enough for me to know

Apparently not. You also don't know anything about global economics, politics and How Poland benefits from current situation.

We will change it

Who are you ?

Polish people are angry and tired of

Hey I live in Poland unlike you. I don't see angry and tired people around.

Polish patriots will take over the power and bring the country

God save Poland then if all those patriots are as ignorant as you.
mafketis 35 | 11,499
27 Mar 2011 #18
In some international companies English is basically the working languge.

Officially, maybe kind of. But almost all the hiring they do in Poland is for local bilinguals. Most f the workers who can get away with English only are sent to Poland from abroad.
mephias 11 | 304
27 Mar 2011 #19
mafketis

Yes, foreigners will not be more than % 2-5. It is not a good idea from cost perspective to open a branch here and hire only foreigners. They are investing/will invest only if they think there is enough local workforce available for relevant subject.
grubas 12 | 1,390
28 Mar 2011 #20
please mind the topic
abhishek06 1 | 11
28 Mar 2011 #21
Grubas, let me give you a little insight about IT industry and infact any technology oriented industry, Nobody is stealing your jobs. Infact, most of the non EU companies there provides IT services to the Local companies out there in Poland( or anywhere else in the world). And obviously if the contract has been awarded to the outsider companies(low cost, excellent work or whatever reason). Obviously, the workers of their companies have to come there to check the local site, to get the necessary details and sometimes live and work there rather than flying in and out again and again. It saves money and time for your companies. And it's mutual gain for both sides. And they aren't going to live there their whole life. So keep your hatred in your hand, close the hand, make a punch and shove it inside your ass. :)
OP bnrrv0 2 | 5
29 Mar 2011 #22
my stay would be close to 2 years. Planning to take polish classes
Lodz_The_Boat 32 | 1,535
29 Mar 2011 #23
Very good idea.

Also, please don't mind the stray posts here. It is an open forum and many kind of people post here, most are not even Polish. Poles are a remarkable minority (not even minority, but a few only) in here.

We are friendly people, and feel very good to have good respectable friends. You will be a happy lady with your husband and child among us!

You are welcome. :)
jarnowa 4 | 499
29 Mar 2011 #24
Stupid comments as usual.

Says a Turk living in Poland.
Of course you oppose everyone saying that non-Europeans should stay in their own country.

Unemployment rate is not high for IT. It's employer decision to decide who to hire and in same level of competency and experience they will for sure choose Polish candidates. Business(money) has no nationality, if you are competent, willing to learn more, hard working you can work anywhere in the World (especially in IT). I am working in an international company with Polish people, I can say they are unbiased and fair.

It's hard to believe that your employer couldn't find any EU citizen that met his requirements.
Although you might be a nice person, i think it is wrong that they hired a Turk instead of an EU citizen.
pgtx 30 | 3,156
29 Mar 2011 #25
i think it is wrong that they hired a Turk instead of an EU citizen.

well, you don't know much of how it works around the world.... think before speaking up, jarnowa...
jarnowa 4 | 499
29 Mar 2011 #26
Of course i know, but unless Mephias and other Turks have extremely rare IT skills, it won't be difficult to find ITers in the EU who would love to work for Polish IT salaries.

Think of ITers from relatively poor EU countries like Romania, Bulgaria, Czech/Slovak Republic, Greece, Portugal, etc.

And even if it would be difficult to find someone from EU, it would be much better to invite people from Croatia, Serbia, Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, etc. instead of Turks, Arabs or Africans. They don't belong in Europe, so they shouldn't have the opportunity to work here.
mephias 11 | 304
29 Mar 2011 #27
jarnowa

I will not talk about myself. It is between me, Polish laws and my employer, I don't care if some people (especially you) think It is not right, Mind your own business. .
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161
29 Mar 2011 #28
Come on, I am against bring millions of non-Europeans to Poland as It obviosly didn't work out very well in the west but they got into that mess importing uneducated, anti-social crowds, not IT specialists. Vast majority of people working in IT in Poland are Polish, the companies (both Polish and foreign) prefer local workers (otherwise they would simply set up an office elsewhere) so If they take foreigners, It means they really need them.
mephias 11 | 304
30 Mar 2011 #29
It means they really need them.

I agree, it is more or less what I said.Not only for IT, International companies also encourage employee exchange between countries for key management positions (As a challenge maybe ).

Noone is stealing other's job and percentage as I already said very limited but if you are stupid enough to say we don't want foreigners at all this also means we don't want investment.
Seven 1 | 7
5 Apr 2011 #30
There are some specialized IT skills for which resources are not that easy to find from EU. So only options left will be to bring talents from outside. In any country, if the resources are available locally, that would be the first option, since it is much cheaper for the company. So if they are hiring from outside, that means that they have already tried to hire them locally and have failed. So they have to get them from global market.


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