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My grievances with the American-Polonia


pawian 173 | 13,530
12 Oct 2020 #31
when neither political party or anyone else gives a toss about Polonia or Poland and only serve up scorn

Of course, you believe it is pure undeserved injustice. Is it, really????
jon357 63 | 15,538
12 Oct 2020 #32
If I was gay,black,migrant or Jewish no way would I be here.

Yes, you migrated here.

a bus driver (Sorry transport manager)

Wut?

Anyway, you're trying to go off topic (and didn't even answer the question you were posed). That's by the by though.

As I said in random, most Pol-Ams are just normal people with no pretensions about Poland, no wish to interfere in society and politics here, no current connection with the country, and perhaps with an affection for it rather than an obsession with it. They aren't generally bigots either and certainly not racist (there's a long history of voting Democrat among them).

People, like the rather rude poster on the first page of the thread are in a tiny minority, unhappy with their lives, themselves and poorly-adjusted to the environment they're in. These people project, focusing on a Poland that doesn't exist and never did exist, something in their imagination. The reality of Poland (as you and I both know) is far more complex, and developing/changing all the time.
Poloniusz 2 | 84
12 Oct 2020 #33
Polish Americans hate and despise so many people and things in the USA

Really? Well, since you are the self-appointed expert on all things regarding Polish Americans and are even someone who has admitted to having had the rare privilege of traveling to America during the PRL-era (obviously you and your family benefitted very well from communist party connections) then explain this laughable virtue signaling from a Polish American as recently as July 2020:

AP says it will capitalize Black but not white

"We agree that white people's skin color plays into systemic inequalities and injustices, and we want our journalism to robustly explore these problems," John Daniszewski, the AP's vice president for standards, said in a memo to staff.

Read it here: apnews.com/article/7e36c00c5af0436abc09e051261fff1f

Oh, and the article admitted that black scholars and black journalists disagreed with that PC clown!

Anyway, although you can string sentences together in English you obviously still struggle with comprehension. Therefore, I will explain again for your benefit that the United States has social priorities (even enacted in law) for certain demographic groups and Polonia are not, never were, and never will be included in them. This despite Poles having a sizable presence and making significant contributions to America since its founding centuries ago.

The OP pondered why Polonia aren't doing more to heal political rifts in America and doing more for others. Polonia have no need to shoulder such responsibilities particularly in a highly-diverse, low-trust society which is now literally tearing itself apart.
pawian 173 | 13,530
12 Oct 2020 #34
(obviously you and your family benefitted very well from communist party connections)

Of course, Jaruzelski was my godfather, he held me for baptism. But as he was a commie, he did it incognito and in blanco. bu hahahahahahaha

then explain this laughable virtue

No, I am not going to explain anything. I am even not going to read your post further, it is too long and boring. I already told you to make them shorter, later when I quote you, mods are mad at the number of quotations I use. hahahaha
Michel88
14 Oct 2020 #35
I think despite the developments in Polska I've heard many American Poles complain that "ppl in Kraków were rude, colder than Germans even". I have yet to visit Poland. I found Prague locals and Czechs in general quite stand-offish but Slovaks were more approachable.
pawian 173 | 13,530
14 Oct 2020 #36
Yes, those Krakow folks are coarse peasants, in fact. So big-headed coz they can`t forget that Krakow used to be the capital of Poland. Try to keep away from them.
jon357 63 | 15,538
14 Oct 2020 #37
I've heard many American Poles complain that "ppl in Kraków were rude,

People who work in busy tourist restaurants in almost any city don't have time to chat. They probably expected to be welcomed to 'the homeland' and realised that they were just seen as American tourists. That or they expected customer service staff in Poland to be friendly or at least basically cordial; yet another disconnect between their expectations and reality.
Poloniusz 2 | 84
14 Oct 2020 #38
Krakow folks are coarse peasants...So big-headed

We call them Krakheads for short. Do you know any?

they expected customer service staff in Poland to be friendly or at least basically cordial

Yes, how dare paying customers expect an easy and pleasant experience which is considered standard in the hospitality industry.

They probably expected to be welcomed to 'the homeland' and realised that they were just seen as American tourists.

More likely your own personal experience where you are regularly dismissed as being just another foreign tourist in Poland just from the look of you.
jon357 63 | 15,538
14 Oct 2020 #39
easy and pleasant experience which is considered standard in the hospitality industry.

Further confirmation that you have no idea whatsoever about Poland. If you'd ever been here, you'd probably have some actual insight.

experience where you are regularly dismissed as being just another

And you know that how?

You probably expect waitrons here to introduce themselves by name, talk about the day's specials and smile.
pawian 173 | 13,530
14 Oct 2020 #40
We call them Krakheads for short. Do you know any?

We?? You mean American tourists? But you have never been to Poland, as jon rightly claims.
dolnoslask 6 | 3,190
14 Oct 2020 #41
talk about the day's specials and smile.

Ha Ha so very true its the biggest shock that people get when they visit Poland, only my dentists receptionist smiles makes small talk and offers me coffee , they charge me a bloody fortune for it.

Yep Americans expect good service and to be treated politely , aint gona happen in Poland.
jon357 63 | 15,538
14 Oct 2020 #42
so very true its the biggest shock that people get when they visit Poland,

Quite. It's not so much that people are being deliberately rude (although this certainly happens). More that people are being formal in a context that they perceive as formal. That and the 'arguing' culture here; they're being guarded in case people start arguing with them. A smile to them does however bring good results.

I've seen American Polonia visiting Warsaw become genuinely shocked when a waitron or shop assistant starts being difficult with them.
OP Mr Grunwald 25 | 1,735
14 Oct 2020 #43
@dolmoslask
When I am in Poland, I experience quite good services actually. Even when I was visiting with my friends ordering pizza, they were all positively surprised and gave a bonus tip for the service.

A week ago almost I was in Poland, and both hotel staff and the office I was at were rather welcoming and helpful
pawian 173 | 13,530
14 Oct 2020 #44
only my dentists receptionist smiles makes small talk

I also experienced it in municipal offices several times - the servants are trained to be polite to visitors/clients.

Yep Americans expect good service and to be treated politely , aint gona happen in Poland.

What you just said means Americans get bad service and impolite treatment in Poland. Why are you such a fekking hater of this country?
dolnoslask 6 | 3,190
14 Oct 2020 #45
starts being difficult with them.

Every day experience here , I think more so since covid.
Poloniusz 2 | 84
15 Oct 2020 #46
You mean American tourists?

No. I was simply joining in with your mischaracterization of calling Krakowians coarse big headed peasants to show how wrong you are. It's fine if that's how you see yourself (I don't think anyone here would disagree) but you should have clarified this point at the time you made your comment.

you have never been to Poland, as jon rightly claims.

Well, then present your evidence to support your allegation.
Tbard - | 3
15 Oct 2020 #47
Just a thought i would add.

My background: I am male in his 40's. My Grands escaped as young children the Pol/Ukraine border area during the German invasion. By the grace of my great Grand father who was a Commandant in the Russan Army during the war, he was able to get his family out and defect to Chi Town via Canada. He was also a "white".

As stories have been told to me, of course they were persecuted in the homeland, then when they arrive in the US the persecution continued. We were dumb Poles, my Great Grand had Russian ties( even though they were "whites again") it had no bearing. In Chi Town, you had "neighborhoods", if you ventured out of your neighborhood, you risked beatings, ridicule or even death. My dad, his brothers and sisters, sought assimilation the thrive in the US. They had to forget were they came from to survive.

The US, through both no fault and fault is a melting pot of nationalities. Citizens have to both change and if they chose keep their roots just to survive. If those want to thrive, they have to, for the most part, assimilate to US cultures. The problem, there in, the US has no Nationailstic Ideal of culture. The US has no, main religion, no central idealized National Ideal of persona( other than being fat americans). The US is a melting pot, again, no fault.

So where am i going with this. Ultimately all i want to offer is an idea of consideration. Polonia in the US had to assimilate and now its up to those who chose, like myself, to regain our Polska roots. My parents, who assimilated to the US culture have nothing to teach, we have to back generations and its hard sometimes.

Just a thought.

Żyć Polska
pawian 173 | 13,530
15 Oct 2020 #48
to show how wrong you are

All rightards say it, but as they are natural born liars, I don`t believe them. I hope you don`t mind. hahaha

Well, then present your evidence to support your allegation.

Why not? We first met in February 2019 when you were acting under the moniker of Shitonya Brits. Later,after consecutive bans, you posted under the monikers of OICU812, Trump4Eva, Poloniusz and one I don`t remember today but I checked it once and it was a slang term for 69 position.

Since our first encounter, never have you mentioned your visit to Poland and when jon suggested you were an incel who never left his basement, let alone travel to Europe and Poland, you used to go silent over those allegations.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,635
15 Oct 2020 #49
@Poloniusz

I don't think I could've summarized it better

Let US Polonia stick to their despicable ways on American soil, not in Poland.

ROFL Poland is more conservative than even than a good chunk of the Polonia thanks to US influence. The worldview and ideologies of Poles in Poland and Poles abroad especially in the USA isn't too different. We are mostly Roman Catholic, conservative, and don't follow all the bullshit with lgbt, migrants, tranny bathrooms, etc.

why Polonia aren't doing more to heal political rifts in America and doing more for others

Because we don't really care... Polonia lives in urban areas that are run by dem politicians. They just want to make money, buy a nice house, run a small business and complain how much of their tax payers goes to funding black people and others.

Stats show about 70% of Polonia are for Trump, about 30% for Biden.

So the answer to "reducing divisions" for most Polonia involves re-electing Trump.
pawian 173 | 13,530
15 Oct 2020 #50
We are mostly Roman Catholic,

But you are an atheist.

They just want to make money, buy a nice house, run a small business

Oops. Is that all? Those are life goals of Polonia in the USA??? To have instead of to be? I just realised now why Polonia is scorned according to Polo:

anyone else gives a toss about Polonia or Poland and only serve up scorn when they do have something to say.

Michel88
16 Oct 2020 #51
Why do Poles continue to flee Poland? I see less Hungarians and Czechs doing the same, they always go back to their lands.
Michel88
16 Oct 2020 #52
In like every guide, online or printed on Poland they always talk about WW2, Jews and Nazi camps. Always. That's one reason why Poland is not a popular choice for tourists. It paints a picture of a place with a heavy, uneasy vibe and puts off many tourists. I imagine many American Poles are also put off by that. I realize that's real part of history but it's a heavy history to be living with/nearby and most tourists don't want that when they can visit Prague that was spared the same destiny. Or even better - Budapest as Czechs play the blame game and always talk about 1968 and are a sour, miserable bunch. Hungarians are more jolly.
johnny reb 28 | 5,047
16 Oct 2020 #53
Excellent observation Michel88.
Before I came to the Polish Forums I had a much different image of Poland then what it actually is today.
The WW2 war era is of interest to America-Polonia because most of us can't begin to image how the people of Poland suffered throgh it.

We had family and friends that fought in that war that told many stories.
As that generation is dying off here in America, so are the horrible memories and history of it.
And that is why you are correct in saying that it is one reason people avoid Poland as a tourist destination.
mafketis 24 | 8,851
16 Oct 2020 #54
Polonia ... complain how much of their tax payers goes to funding black people and others.

Rather how in Poland those who are economically productive complain about how much of their tax money goes to PiS voting welfare leeches....


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