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Polonization of Britain - Tipping Point Confirmed in 2011 Census


Paulina 13 | 3,573
13 Jan 2013 #31
At the end of the day Poland is the country with major issues in relation to Multiculturalism, at least a member of the BNP was never given a high ranking position in a government, unlike a Nazi that was minister of education in Poland,quite recently.

Giertych was given a high ranking position in a government only because of a deal with PiS, which had a minority government and needed support from small parties like LPR and Samoobrona. The choice of Giertych for Minister of Education caused many controversies and widespread protests:

Before the town hall in Poznan youth protesting against acquisition by Roman Giertych as Minister of National Education .

Gathered manifest their opposition under the slogans : " Deputy Prime Minister

Giertych , it momentnieuwagi " and " Fascism - stop " .

Several hundred people gathered around the pillory standing in front of the town hall in Poznan . At this point, the criminals were punished years ago and today young people came to say "no" Roman Giertych in the ministry of education.

The PiS government survived only 2 years.

unlike a Nazi that was minister of education in Poland

As much as I don't like that guy, I don't think he's a Nazi. He was a radical right or nationalistic politician but that's not the same as a Nazi, to be fair.
isthatu2 4 | 2,702
13 Jan 2013 #32
The Brits shipped about 20 thou Poles to Canada (and fewer numbers to Australia, South Africa), which is still technically under the Brits! They were not welcome in the UK!

Bless,completly untrue,but nice try though.
Poles who went to Canada went there by choice, tens of thousands more chose to stay in the UK and faced no more *hardship* here than anyone else living in a country that still had full wartime rationing untill the mid 1950s.

( South Africa and Australia and Canada were not still *technically British* as you put it. Australia had been a republic for 45 years,about the same for South Africa...but never mind,some people dont let facts get in the way of propaganda do they...)

Perhaps if the British had ever set an example

Are you saying Poles are so child like they need someone else to set them an example of civilised behaviour, ? You really are not Polish at all are you?

How much effort do you put into all this beiganski?
Considering most of what you post is ill informed and easily refuted one does have to wonder at your motivations.
Why do you care so much? Do you live here? Have you ever even been here?
All relevant questions as to your motives,come on fella, cards on the table, why the chip on the shoulder and why all the lies and half truths to make what ever your point is?
OP Bieganski 17 | 896
14 Jan 2013 #33
Are you saying Poles are so child like they need someone else to set them an example of civilised behaviour, ?

What are you afraid of exactly?

My thread is about Polish migration to Britain and how as the original article I shared explained that this has helped the British to become directly exposed to another culture which they did not influence in the past. Poland is no longer just a remote non-English speaking country on the Continent which the British hear about occasionally in the news but pay no mind to. It is a highly civilized society with a very rich cultural history as well as being a modern democracy with a long history of valuing personal freedom.

If you followed the discussion alexnye complained that Poles do not integrate into British society and only learn enough to be self sufficient or claim benefits. I pointed out that if you look at the timeline of British history it is the British who have demonstrated time and time again on every continent their unwillingness to integrate into the native populations they encountered. Whether you like it or not that is simply the facts of history and the effects of it are still with us today.

Poles in Britain have a great deal to share and Poles will learn English if they don't know it already. But their shouldn't be an onus placed on them to downplay, hide or abandon their identity, language and heritage. With such a large presence of Poles in the UK it is the British who, as multiculturalists, should be taking steps to celebrate, adopt and preserve Polish ways.
Cali - | 56
14 Jan 2013 #34
were not still *technically British* as you put it.

hah, hah, that's a good one, bro! The Poles were "asked" to move (or face lower rations) to the countries which were still de facto under the Brits.

Poles who went to Canada went there by choice

That's another good one, too! The British pompous queen is still an official "head" of gov'ts in Canada n Australia (as you, obviously, know, there's a huge movement in both countries to get rid of her), which are a part of Common Wealth, just in case you forgot...meaning that she, ie, your pompous queen, can dissolve both parliaments in Canada n down under. Oh, yeah, forgot to mention that some Poles were sent to Rhodesia too, which, obviously, according to your public schooling, back then (in the 50s) was not a British property, right?

I'll tell you what, bro: Uncle Goebbels would be very proud of ya! Pls don't breed...
Gotta get another cupa coffee, you're really funny, pal!
jon357 71 | 20,403
14 Jan 2013 #35
As much as I don't like that guy, I don't think he's a Nazi. He was a radical right or nationalistic politician but that's not the same as a Nazi, to be fair.

Agreed. His politics were closer to Mussolini and closer yet to Dolfuss's Catholic Austrofascism.

]hah, hah, that's a good one, bro! The Poles were "asked" to move (or face lower rations) to the countries which were still de facto under the Brits.

Worth mentioning that it wasn't a great time in history, and food, housing etc were short, plus troops were returning from Asia etc. Most of those Poles who stayed were happy with the way they were treated.

Incidentally, I knew a Polish lady who ended up in Britain after the war and had the chance to move to Canada but refused. She regretted it, since friends and family who did ended up in huge houses, plenty of money etc.
kondzior 12 | 1,221
14 Jan 2013 #36
My thread is about Polish migration to Britain and how as the original article I shared explained that this has helped the British to become directly exposed to another culture which they did not influence in the past.

Agreed, Poland is bastion of nationalism, conservatism, and economic liberalism in the EU. We should become an example to pinko and multiculturalist countries like UK, France or Sweden, if they wish to survive.
Cali - | 56
14 Jan 2013 #37
a great time in history, and food, housing etc were short

hey jonny,
agree w/ ya! I put "ask" in quotes because the Brits never foced them to leave the country, they just "asked"...due to the above cited issues, and, among others, such as the Brit gov't was afraid that the Poles might decide to "attack" commies (? it's not easy to cross the Channel being unnoticed n then head to Poland, right?) under Gen Anders directions, thus upsetting Stalin. Bottom line, they wanted to get rid of them.

Again, there is some truth to it, but, on the other hand, the Brits want to put a positive spin on this whole tragic situation. That's why they are called perfidious British, I guess, w/o no reason.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,849
14 Jan 2013 #38
it is the British who, as multiculturalists, should be taking steps to celebrate, adopt and preserve Polish ways.

if you have any more of that stuff you are taking, send some over, it must be trippy, otherwordly stuff.

oh an cali, the saying is 'perfidious Albion' btw, not 'perfidious british'

why are you guys so easily confused between decisions taken by the government and ordinary people?
it is like me holding you responsible for every decision of GWBush.
Wroclaw Boy
14 Jan 2013 #39
Perhaps if the British had ever set an example of this when they themselves migrated in their millions to other countries or when they ruled over them you would have a point. But they never did.

Ohh so its an eye for an eye now, POland you are hundreds of years behind the times, what a fcuked up pathetic excuse. But whilst we are on the subject and keeping with your reasoning when will Germany get the their payback for two World Wars? Of course that wont happen, but if it did would we have a Pole here like you coming up with these pathetic excuses in an attempt to cover up the truth? of course we would.

People leave Poland by the million because there is no work, or money there for the lower class, and GB is usually their first choice.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,352
14 Jan 2013 #40
Thanks for informing me. Such 'wars' are imbecilic, and I'd prefer not to take part in them.

You should tell it to the now suspended Harry who has been the principal animator of such wars on the PF for a long time; the most trivial of them all was when he endlessly chased the Polish-Americans over the allegedly wrong use of the term "busia".

I'm very proud of our multicultural island.

As a Pole who has been living in Poland all his life, I also have a great esteem for the multicultural island. The British people whom I meet in person are totally different from the majority of the British people whom I "meet" here on the PF. If I didn't meet any real people from Britain, and if I judged the British people on the basis of the attitudes of the notorious British "gang of three" (one member exempted perhaps) and its supporters here towards Poland, I would have thought that the multicultural island is in fact a most xenophobic and megalomaniacal "island" of all "islands" of the world.
Maybe 12 | 409
14 Jan 2013 #41
Roman Giertych is no Nazi

That is debatable..... All Polish Youth.......

The Poles I associate with in the UK are all very much integrated, all work non of them have ever claimed benefits.
You have to be a f*cking loser to sign on and get benefits. I think we should ape the USA and give people a year on benefits and then onto food stamps.
Wroclaw Boy
14 Jan 2013 #42
all work non of them have ever claimed benefits.

child benefit, tax credits etc how would you know if they are on benefits? its not something they would advertise.

You have to be a f*cking loser to sign on and get benefits.

tell that to the 25% unemployed spaniards, are they all losers?
Maybe 12 | 409
14 Jan 2013 #43
child benefit, tax credits etc how would you know if they are on benefits? its not something they would advertise.

i know my friends.

Secondly the reference to benefits is for the UK only.
ifor bach 11 | 152
14 Jan 2013 #44
I know Harry from other forums, and think he's a bit of an idiot.

Unfortunately, forums such as these attract idiots.

I'd rather listen, discuss and learn, than get involved in pointless nationality bashing flaming wars.

It's quite obvious that the sole purpose of the OP is to inflame, so why not critise those trying to create disharmony here and now, rather than a banned former poster?
isthatu2 4 | 2,702
14 Jan 2013 #45
hah, hah, that's a good one, bro! The Poles were "asked" to move (or face lower rations) to the countries which were still de facto under the Brits.

Erm,again....*face lower rations*...no sh!t sherlock, people in Canada didnt face the same rations as people in Britain,its as simple as that,but,if you want to play the victim card,fair enough,but being whinging cry babies was not something Poles of the wartime generation were known for so why are you acting like one on their behalf?

Can you give ANY links to back up your wild claims?

Gotta get another cupa coffee, you're really funny, pal!

You find the truth funny? Really?

If you followed the discussion alexnye complained that Poles do not integrate into British society and only learn enough to be self sufficient

If you actually came here you would see that what alex says is true unfortunatly.
The Poles who have been here for 70 or a 100 years are intergrated fine but still proud of their Polish heritage,most of the new immigrants live in self created ghettos and make no effort to intergrate into the wider sociaty as they dont see Britain as a new home but a stepping point to somehow someday going back to Poland as rich people,coz,yeah,Britains streets are paved with Gold,right?

But,again, your argument seems to be that,because a few Britons used to act like idiots when they lived abroad then Poles should do the same.....what a childish attitude to life you have. Following your *logic* we British should start burning down synagogues and Pogroming the Jews in leeds and North London......
Ant63 13 | 410
14 Jan 2013 #46
UKIP

So what is wrong with UKIP?
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161
14 Jan 2013 #47
Agreed. His politics were closer to Mussolini

LOL ! You mean the buddy of Sikorski and a lawyer of Tusk junior is some kind of Mussolini's copy :)? Isn't it lovely how you pinks put nazi/fascist face to Poland :)) Actually, majority of EU countries have more radical people in mainstream politics, France, Holland, Austria, nearly all of "old" EU, so spare us your "wisdom" :))

BTW Giertych was just trying to make a creer on the back of naive pensioners, that should already be clear to everyone.
Wroclaw Boy
14 Jan 2013 #48
Secondly the reference to benefits is for the UK only.

Ohh OK, Maybe one day you will need the benefit system and then you will be a loser right? or are your parents rich?
Maybe 12 | 409
14 Jan 2013 #49
@WroclawBoy, if you want and need to work in the UK there are jobs, period.
So your comment is irrelevant.
Ironside 51 | 11,338
14 Jan 2013 #50
quote=Bieganski]the British public to understand that they are merely one of hundreds of cultures around the world; no worse and certainly no better than any other[/quote]

The British are not different from other European nations. They all have their quirks and habits. All cultures and societies believes themselves superior to other.

The only British things they're interested in is our Welfare Benefits, Social Housing and Free healthcare.

Is that any wonder if you are the measure of those British things they are faced with?

there's w@nkers everywhere

+1 the problem starts when w@nkers from one nation starts berating w@nkers from other nation. How can you tell the difference? :)

Agreed. His politics were closer to Mussolini and closer yet to Dolfuss's Catholic Austrofascism.

Facepalm!
jon do not talk Polish politics,please you make yourself look foolish. No offense :)

. But whilst we are on the subject and keeping with your reasoning when will Germany get the their payback for two World Wars?

would you kindly explain your meaning?What are you talking about?

d the truth

What are you talking about?

Following your *logic* we British should start burning down synagogues and Pogroming the Jews in leeds and North London......

Are you talking about above? Let me ask you are you sober? As a matter of fact - you have been burning synagogues and pogroming the Jews1 no bro! It was an official policy of your king. Would you like to find a king or a government of Poland which pursed the same policy toward Jews?

, your argument seems to be that,because a few Britons used to act like idiots when they lived abroad then Poles should do the same

you seems to have problem with comprehension. He is talking about imperialism, land grabbing, colonisation, wiping out indigenous populations and such. I think that he is being sarcastic on the top of it.

most of the new immigrants live in self created ghettos and make no effort to intergrate into the wider sociaty as they dont see Britain as a new home but a stepping point to somehow someday going back to Poland as rich people

How many of the new immigrants do you know? Have you researched the subject? I mean apart from browsing newspapers and chatting over the pint of larger to you mates in the pub.
Ant63 13 | 410
14 Jan 2013 #51
So your comment is irrelevant.

Its perfectly relevant if it takes 3 months to get another job.

A agree you can walk into low paid insecure job within a couple of days. Is that OK when you have a family? A lot of families would end up homeless pretty quickly with your idea of relevance.
Ironside 51 | 11,338
14 Jan 2013 #53
So what is wrong with UKIP?

What is wrong with UKIP?
isthatu2 4 | 2,702
14 Jan 2013 #54
How many of the new immigrants do you know?

That is sort of the point. I know a lots of Poles,all but one live in Poland,the ones over here just dont bother trying to intergrate at all.

He is talking about imperialism, land grabbing, colonisation

Exactly,WTF has that got to do with Poles coming to Britain to find jobs and how does it justify the action of some idiotic Poles as he seems to claim?

But, of course, you have never been here so you know far more about these things than I do....thats modern Polish *logic* isn't it? The * I dont like what they are saying so despite not having any first hand experience I will just say they are wrong..." Ah well,par for the course here,being told by Yanks and stay at home Poles whats what in my own town.....
Maybe 12 | 409
14 Jan 2013 #55
agree you can walk into low paid insecure job within a couple of days. Is that OK when you have a family?

If you stack shelves in Sainsburys you earn around £250 net a week. So therefore, £250 is going to be more than if you claimed benefits.
No a low paid insecure job, is not OK when you have a family but it is what it is and millions upon millions of people have to live with, Utopia it is not.

The argument that will be thrown back at me will be, actually, it is better to be unemployed claim all the benefits possible, rather than work in an insecure job low paid job.

Well it is not. The truth is people in the West have become LAZY.... we expect life to be handed to us on a plate.
Ant63 13 | 410
14 Jan 2013 #56
What is wrong with UKIP?

Nothing from what I have seen and heard. Nigel Farage seems to have his head pretty well screwed on. He tells it how it is which is alright by me. I don't like all this ***** footing politics. Gets you nowhere.

Edit

Whats wrong with cats ????
Ironside 51 | 11,338
14 Jan 2013 #57
he ones over here just dont bother trying to intergrate at all.

Maybe that don't like your aftershave? So my point is how do you know all this if you haven't bother to research the subject and you know one Pole in the UK?

Exactly,WTF has that got to do with Poles coming to Britain to find jobs and how does it justify the action of some idiotic Poles as he seems to claim?

Ask him! I mean OP! As for idiotic Poles, every nation got its share of idiots and criminals - what is the point of going about them all the bloody time!

But, of course, you have never been here so you know far more about these things than I do....thats modern Polish *logic* isn't it? The * I dont like what they are saying so despite not having any first hand experience I will just say they are wrong..."

That is no the point. The point is that I can recognize generalizations and stereotypes when I see them! +To say whether of not Poles are integrating you would need to wait at least ten years.

Talking about it now is just hudsonhickisation of the issue!

Whats wrong with cats ????

What cats?
isthatu2 4 | 2,702
14 Jan 2013 #58
Maybe that don't like your aftershave?

Lols, an *unwinnable* arguement really. I say I dont hang out with Poles socialy over here and its easy enough to say they wouldnt want to hang out with me anyway....fair enough,lets just take that as read for arguments sake.....but.

You really must come here to see what I and some others are saying. I wouldnt dream of making comments on todays Polish sociaty in Poland re immigration or day to day life as I haven't been in Poland in 5 years,so why do Poles who have never been to Britain seem to think they know more about what is happening here than someone who lives here?

I also saw the new wave through the eyes of a pre 04 Polish immigrant and it was they not I who first *complained* about Polish shops springing up everywhere ( 12 on one small street alone in Doncaster) ,I didnt have an issue as I was happy to get all those things I missed from visits to Poland (and knock off LMs half the price ) but my Polish friend was the one who could see how things was developed and they were not wrong.

In 04 in Doncaster there were many clubs and groups set up by *old Polonia* and locals to welcome and aid Poles in their moves to this,a new country for them.

These were soon given up as beyond a joke as it soon became clear that most of the new wave were simply not interested in intergrating or socialising outside their own small groups. They even seemed to sub divide themselves as I witnessed in an old job of mine,those from Katowice not mixing with those from Wroclaw,thats probably eased off now granted but the Ghetto mentality has definatly stayed.

Instead of coming here and carving out an identity that works alongside the locals most seem to have decided to follow the example of the more radical Muslims amongst us and shut themselves off as much from wider sociaty as possible.

For 50 odd years we had White eagle clubs etc,but their members didnt go there every single night to the exclusion of other activities and they were also very welcoming to anyone Pole or non Pole it didnt matter. These days you will find * Polish nights* in night clubs where if you aint Polish you aint getting in.....imagine the reaction if Nightclubs had an open policy of keeping Poles out? AFAIK there is not one example of that.
Ironside 51 | 11,338
14 Jan 2013 #59
AFAIK there is not one example of that.

I still think that it is too early to say anything.

As a afterthought:it could be the langude barrier.
Cali - | 56
14 Jan 2013 #60
'perfidious Albion' btw, not 'perfidious british'

hey brains,

fyi, I used it in a context as an adj to describe Brits. Whatever, whatever, babe! Just watch those vowels so you dont sound too funny...btw, you do, right?

the action of some idiotic Poles

hey isthat4fact,

listen whos talking here...A fella w/ a BS (literally) degree who doesn't know that his pompous queen is still the head of Canada n Australia...who dares to call Poles, idiots. isthat4fact, you’re amazing. You asked for some links...go google, don't be lazy, bro. No one is gonna give u anything on a silver platter, bro - you yourself, pal, gotta do some digging. Perhaps that's why you ended up in Poland teaching English cuz you couldn't get a job back in the UK, thus making Poles scapegoats for your miserable life. Don't blame others and/or the system, get a good education...Or you may end up as another Martin-the-pool-guy over here. Sorry, the truth might hurt, but that's what it was, my friend.


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