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Polonization of Britain - Tipping Point Confirmed in 2011 Census


rozumiemnic 8 | 3,846
14 Jan 2013 #61
That's why they are called perfidious British,

wasn't that what you said, babe? so what did you mean then if you were not misquoting the saying 'perfidious Albion'?
oh and isthatu lives in the UK, silly.
Cali - | 56
14 Jan 2013 #62
silly.

hey roz,

love that word, sounds so British!
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,846
14 Jan 2013 #63
lol....silly silly silly....yes it is a bit python I suppose...
alexnye 2 | 30
14 Jan 2013 #64
Poland should be incredibly greatfull to the British goverment.

Not only are we a donor state pumping BILLIONS into the A8 nations.. we're also feeding hundreds of thousands of needy Poles.

Even the "Hard working" ones make no considerable net contribution to our country.
If they have children, you can be sure they'll be taking tax credit topups as well as other goodies.
Many are now in council housing.

I'd hazard a guess - very very few Polish immigrants are making a contribution to our country.
They're breeding more than the British, and even the Muslims. What does that tell you?
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,846
14 Jan 2013 #65
alexnye

Even the "Hard working" ones make no considerable net contribution to our country.

i am sure all workers make as much contribution as each other, whether British or otherwise.

I'd hazard a guess - very very few Polish immigrants are making a contribution to our country.
They're breeding more than the British, and even the Muslims. What does that tell you?

if those wild statements were backed up with fact or even a link, more people might be convinced.
alexnye 2 | 30
14 Jan 2013 #66
The average cross-section of a British person in our own country is a middle class worker who spends most of his money in the UK, eventually marrying, having two children & buying a house. Probably claiming Child Benefit for 2 kids.

The average cross-section of a Polish immigrant is someone who comes here primarily with money on the brain, living 10 in a house to save money on rent, working low-income wages thus getting tax credits, council housing and every other goody in the book. Having an increased tenancy to have children.

Shopping at European Delicatessen
Sending money out of the country (3Billion last year)
Needing taxpayer funded translation services
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,846
14 Jan 2013 #67
The average cross-section of a British person in our own country is a middle class worker who spends most of his money in the UK, eventually marrying, having two children & buying a house. Probably claiming Child Benefit for 2 kids.

what rubbish - you have just dismissed 50 per cent of the workforce for a start, and how can you have a 'cross-section' of a worker?
Cali - | 56
14 Jan 2013 #68
silly silly silly

hey roz(e),

I'm staying off this topic for now - it's getting too deep....gotta go...btw, I don't live in the UK n one more thing: that'a a very long post nickname. What is it? In Polish?
isthatu2 4 | 2,702
14 Jan 2013 #69
As a afterthought:it could be the langude barrier.

Not sure, the Poles Ive worked with didnt have a problem with English but you may be right in some cases with some of the newer people here. Why would they need to learn English when they can shop,work and pray in Polish and get almost anything official translated into Polish for them free of charge?

I do get that,but, I cant stand the English that move to Spain and never learn Spanish so Im not going to give a free pass to Poles ,sorry :)

listen whos talking here...A fella w/ a BS (literally) degree who doesn't know that his pompous

Could you please attempt to speak English? Im afraid I dont speak west cost slacker anymore :)

oh and isthatu lives in the UK, silly.

and I dont have a degree,BS or otherwise.... :) I think Cali is mixing me up with someone else :)

ps, Alex,really,10 in a room?? Oh dear,not that old chestnut again......maybe a few student types tried to do that when they first arrived,when I was 18 I squatted with 12 in one small flat for a summer.......its hardly a *Polish* trait to try and save some money is it.....
TheOther 6 | 3,692
14 Jan 2013 #70
Why would they need to learn English when they can shop,work and pray in Polish

Interesting. That's exactly what I hear about Latinos here in the US and what I heard about the Turks in Germany. With increasing numbers, the pressure to integrate into the host culture decreases. Probably one of the root causes for xenophobia all over the world.
Des Essientes 7 | 1,291
14 Jan 2013 #71
That's exactly what I hear about Latinos here in the US and what I heard about the Turks in Germany.

It was said about Poles and other immigrant European nationalities, including the Germans, here in the USA, especially during the late19th and the first half of the 20th Century. It is an empty worry and even if some immigrants act like the Germans that we call Amish, or Pennsylvania Dutch, and never integrate, then so what? Who cares? Poland was shining example of multi-culturalism in the past and her history may provide a template for the multicultural future of Europe. Broadening the liberty granted in old Poland only to members of the szlachta give every citizen the freedom to live as he so chooses. Be a Tartar Muslim or a Lithuanian Lutheran if you so choose you'll still be "one of us", and so too in Britain today be a Polish speaking Catholic or whatever you want to be.

With increasing numbers, the pressure to integrate into the host culture decreases.

Integration shouldn't be a matter of pressure, nor should it be mandatory, (and with the case of Latinos here in the South-West one cannot say that their culture is any less the host culture than the Anglophonic one. This used to be Spanish and then Mexican territory and Latinos have lived here continually since long before any Anglophones settled here.) Integration depends upon the attractiveness of the host culture. Maybe the German way isn't so charming to the immigrant Turk, but here in the USA if the first generation of immigrants doesn't learn English then their progeny surely will and they won't have to be "pressured" to do so.

Probably one of the root causes for xenophobia all over the world.

Some people have a hang-up about hearing foreign tongues spoken around them, but there is no reason that they should be upset by this. If there are British people under the sway of this irrationality then so much the worse for them.
TheOther 6 | 3,692
14 Jan 2013 #72
Integration depends upon the attractiveness of the host culture.

Although one could justifiably ask then: if it's not attractive to the immigrants, why did they come in the first place and chose to stay? But I agree with you that the "incentive" to adapt and exchange parts of your own culture with some of your host's depends to a certain extent on how attractive/ inviting (or whatever you want to call it) the culture is.

but here in the USA if the first generation of immigrants doesn't learn English then their progeny surely will and they won't have to be "pressured" to do so.

In the past that was definitely the case, but you know as well as I do that the number of Latinos is constantly increasing in the Southwest. CA has about 40% Spanish speakers already, NM 45%, TX has 38% - there is no need for these immigrants to adjust anymore. Do you remember the 'This Is Alabama. We Speak English.' thing from a few years ago? That says it all in my eyes. Before long, Spanish will be as important as English in the US; no doubt about it.

(couldn't find numbers for 2012, sorry)

but there is no reason that they should be upset by this

Very true.
kondzior 12 | 1,242
14 Jan 2013 #73
I envy you because you will never display self-awareness. You will never really know anything at all about anything. Nothing will ever impact on you because you are a caricature created strictly as comic relief.

What has happened to Britain since the second World War ended has made you ridiculous. It has made your ancestors ridiculous. It has made your descendants ridiculous. One is struck by the utter meaninglessness of your life and the comically tortured apologetics required of your existence so you can continue to pretend everything is normal.

Britain is gone. Doesn't that mean anything to you? Or are you going to continue in this vein as a real-life Monty Python skit? Hopping about and claiming "it's only a flesh wound?"

If I had a time machine I could go back to 1944 with a copy of today's paper and in 24 hours the entire British military would surrender unconditionally to the Germans and place themselves at the disposal of the Reich. Do you really imagine even a single man would have fought for the Britain of 2013? Not a one. Not so much as a single one of them, man or woman, would have fought for the Britain of 2013.

Surely some part of that dense, gelatinous mass you call a brain must be subconsciously aware of this. Deep within the folds of that that thick brain, must be a slight flutter that tells you perhaps all is not well?

The definition of insanity is that it represents a delusional perspective that is less in touch with reality.
isthatu2 4 | 2,702
14 Jan 2013 #74
Huh? /\
What now,eh?
So, the world sems split between those who hate us because of our past as imperialist nobs and those who hate us because we are no longer imperialist nobs.....oy vey, starting to have some fellow feeling with the Jews here :)
kondzior 12 | 1,242
14 Jan 2013 #75
I don't hate you, I find you absurd. If in Poland there was groving numbers of people that do not speak Polish, I'd be at arms, I'd demand mass deportations.

Your country is dying, and you dont care about it?
isthatu2 4 | 2,702
14 Jan 2013 #76
Well that just proves that you are a regresive old fascist and a bit of a d!ck frankly doesnt it.
Your rating of a country as absurd comes from the fact it has a history of liberal attitudes to immigrants and refugees,wow.
Wasnt there a country in Europe that welcomed in a huge number of immigrants who didnt speak the language,didnt share the religion and had no historical ties to their new country,was that country also absurd?

For your benefit alone as Im sure anyone else reading this will see it,the country Im talking about is Poland,are you saying Poland is an absurd country because of its tolerence to immigrants?

Your country is dying, and you dont care about it?

Countries dont *die* they evolve, my country,my nation has been evolving and adapting and absorbing peoples and ideas from around the world since the dawn of recorded time,Im hardly going to p!ss my knickers with fear because a million or so Poles have arrived,what a strange idea of patriotism you have mate.
kondzior 12 | 1,242
14 Jan 2013 #77
Wasnt there a country in Europe that welcomed in a huge number of immigrants who didnt speak the language,didnt share the religion and had no historical ties to their new country

There was. And what good Teutonic Knights brought for it?

Man is not a learning animal.

Less than 1% of all the humans ever born are capable of learning.

The rest are only along for the ride. Starve, gorge, it's all the same to them. They don't know the why of anything and don't miss it when it's gone. Beasts on hind legs.

I congratulate the kosher of all flavours for figuring this out long ago and treating them accordingly. It turns out there is more sense than nonsense to it.

Destined to be ruled over by their betters, whoever they turn out to be.
isthatu2 4 | 2,702
14 Jan 2013 #78
There was. And what good Teutonic Knights brought for it?

Huh?
Seriously,what are you smoking and are you sure its safe?
WTF have the teutonic Knights got to do with anything you loon?
Do you need it in big letters? You think Britain is absurd for being torelent of imigrants and allowing them to live their lives as they choose,do you also say Poland is absurd for historically having done the same for the Jews and even some of my own Scottish forebears?

Simple really... will we get an answer kondizor,or just another ramble about Teutonic Knights that like to say Ni?
kondzior 12 | 1,242
14 Jan 2013 #79
As history have shown to us, it was a mistake.
Why are you refusing to lern from past mistakes?
As George Orwell pointed out, the little Briton post WW2 is the littlest man that ever was. Such little men should give way to more vigorous races who will at least breed their wives and daughters with children who still have some spirit left in them.
isthatu2 4 | 2,702
14 Jan 2013 #80
little Briton

yeah, wot evah....
Dessi might use some funny florid language and throw his dummy out of the pram a bit but at least he isnt a silly fascist.

I think you'd be happier on StormFront with the other knuckle dragging nazis kondizor.
kondzior 12 | 1,242
14 Jan 2013 #81
Must be awesome to have no moral code of any kind except self-hatred and blind worship of other races as divine beings. Is that what rushes in to fill the vaccuum left behind by your marxist postmodernist ideology?

Egalitarianist self-righteousness is the oldest refuge of scoundrels. Pretending to be indignant about what somebody else thinks of somebody else is for people too unstable to keep the commandments or adhere to any Christian standards for self-control. If you think I don't know you're a drug addicted unemployed wreck you're sorely mistaken. I know a lot about you and you know a lot about you too, except you pretend not to know because it's the only way you can go on living with yourself. Still shows through when you went to choose your forum handle.

I got a British 1920's textbook named "Lands and People". Hilariously racist though it's not just "whites good, blacks bad drivel", it makes alot of interesting comments from a very English point of view about the world at the times. Makes me wish for a time where everyone didn't wear suits and eat McDonalds and you could travel to a differant village and find a very differant way of living.

Thank god for times like ours when we know now that negro science advancements equal anything the West has to offer, but I'm the only guy left who can correctly spell "differant."
isthatu2 4 | 2,702
14 Jan 2013 #82
I got a British 1920's textbook named "Lands and People".

Id maybe update your book collection old bean, ta ta for now.
Wroclaw Boy
14 Jan 2013 #83
If in Poland there was groving numbers of people that do not speak Polish, I'd be at arms, I'd demand mass deportations.

Because you are Polish and have a typical racist Polish attitude.
kondzior 12 | 1,242
14 Jan 2013 #84
Because I am not lefist?

Racism was even called a mental illness by Bolshevists, when they stripped people of their property rights and forced them into communal living with Mongolians from the borders of Russia. Many Russians who complained were called reactionaries, even when Mongolians gangraped their wives and daughters in the middle of the night in large groups. They were said to be "mentally unbalanced" for resenting it.

What about the current evacuation of Britain by hundreds of thousands of fleeing whites? Are they racists too? 150 million whites who moved out of the cities in the U.S. from 1965-2005? More racists?

This is why you know people like this deserve whatever happens to them when the rubber band snaps back. Bad enough you depopulate a land of it's native people, imagine when you claim anybody who complains is a "racist" while doing so - or even go a step farther and call them "mentally ill." Suddenly the prior 240+ pogroms become crystal clear as to motives.
Wroclaw Boy
15 Jan 2013 #85
Blacks, Asians and other immigrants including Poles are basically only poor when they first come to England, being poor brings other poor associated living standards and behaviour, so the whites would be running from Poles too. You'll see it soon enough.

You only see the colour aspect i see the financial.
OP Bieganski 17 | 896
15 Jan 2013 #86
The Poles who have been here for 70 or a 100 years are intergrated fine but still proud of their Polish heritage

Poles who have been in the UK over the past 70 or 100 years were not significant in their numbers.

The Anglo chauvinist idea of integration (back then as well as today) is for immigrants not to speak their native language in public and no longer have access to facilities or communities to keep their traditions alive and passed along to the next generation. Integration also includes constant societal pressure on immigrants and their offspring to Anglicize their names to the fullest extent possible lest they continue to be denied opportunities to better jobs, promotions, fair terms on financial transactions, etc.

most of the new immigrants live in self created ghettos and make no effort to intergrate into the wider sociaty

Poles live in cities and villages just like you do. They don't live in ghettos. If they are being marginalized in Britain then I wouldn't be surprised because of the reasons I listed above.

they dont see Britain as a new home but a stepping point to somehow someday going back to Poland as rich people

So? The same thing happens all around the world. Britain and Poland are part of the EU. That means free movement of labor for EU citizens. Millions of greying Brits throughout the UK retire and frequently move to spend their dying days on the south coast of Blighty as well as many other places abroad; particularly Spain. If Poles want to spend their working years in Britain and then move back to Poland or some place else that's their business not yours.

,coz,yeah,Britains streets are paved with Gold,right?[/quote]
Not paved with gold but certainly built off of slave labor and war bounty along with the agricultural and mineral exploitation from other countries. If you want to see stolen gold you may very well find it in the Bank of England or melted down into fine jewelry and religious objects in places of worship, museums, palaces and private homes throughout the UK.

But,again, your argument seems to be that,because a few Britons used to act like idiots when they lived abroad then Poles should do the same

What I have written and what you inferred are two very different things. Yes, British behavior in the past has been very ignoble and it comes as no surprise that you want to maintain the status quo of Johnny Foreigner being compelled to Anglicize. I already stated that the British have no track record of integrating into the foreign cultures they encountered. Rather they too establish their Little Englander communities and then displace and Anglicize indigenous cultures when they begin to expand. This has been going on for centuries right up to the present. It's high time the British show genuine respect for other cultures both within the UK and abroad. The large Polish community in Britain is a golden opportunity for the British to start showing civility and do whatever they can to learn from Poles and adopt and preserve their ways. Otherwise you and the likes of Gillian Duffy will just need to pack your bags and join your fellow Brits in Spain. And don't worry about having to learn any Spanish; your fellow expats get on absolutely fine there with their lazy tongues, imported British stodge, and unfettered access to all media back in the UK.

Following your *logic* we British should start burning down synagogues and Pogroming the Jews in leeds and North London......

Britain already has a long history of carrying pogroms against Jews:

bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/judaism/history/pogromyork_1.shtml

"In 2006 the Jewish Community celebrated the 350th anniversary of its re-admission to England in 1656. The expulsion in 1290 came after a particularly intense sequence of pogroms - anti-Jewish massacres."

I don't see what point you are trying to make with this comment of yours as it has nothing to do with Poles past or present and is completely off-topic to this particular thread.
alexnye 2 | 30
15 Jan 2013 #87
Things are getting desperate when you're resorting to discussing events that happened in 1190.

POLSKA STRONG!!
303 SQUADRON SAVE ENGLAND FROM GERMANS!!
POLISH DESERVE BENEFITS BECAUSE THEY SAVED ENGLAND FROM WAR - 303 SQUADRONZZZZZZZZZZZ
Ironside 51 | 11,499
15 Jan 2013 #88
As

Kondzio I have read your post.Stop taking drugs man. Your rants become bizarre balderdash/

Because you are Polish and have a typical racist Polish attitude.

Typical? There is nothing typical about racist attitude.
legend 3 | 664
15 Jan 2013 #89
I don't hate you, I find you absurd. If in Poland there was groving numbers of people that do not speak Polish, I'd be at arms, I'd demand mass deportations.

Your country is dying, and you dont care about it?

True.
Some of them are so brainwashed they think their countries are being "enriched" by third world immigrants as their own ethnicity/nation/cultures gets raped out of existence slowly.
Ant63 13 | 410
15 Jan 2013 #90
Poles who have been in the UK over the past 70 or 100 years were not significant in their numbers.

But they integrated and retained their culture. I doubt their children did. Certainly the ones I knew were as English as me from the outside. Who knows whats on the inside.

The Anglo chauvinist idea of integration (back then as well as today) is for immigrants not to speak their native language in public and no longer have access to facilities or communities to keep their traditions alive and passed along to the next generation.

It is in their interest to speak the language. Nobody gives a damn if they speak amongst themselves in Polish. We are used to foreign languages being spoken around us. Traditions are forgotten with time it doesn't take intervention from another nationality. Intervention would strengthen tradition.

We are not talking a about a group of people that have come here to retire. They have come here to work. Its in their interests to "fit in" to further their fortunes. If they choose to retire back to Poland, its of no consequence to anybody here.

Poles live in cities and villages just like you do. They don't live in ghettos.

You are correct but its funny how they refer to their neighborhoods as the Polish ghetto. I wonder what they are thinking.

If you want to see stolen gold you may very well find it in the Bank of England

Gordon Brown sold it I believe.

The large Polish community in Britain is a golden opportunity for the British to start showing civility and do whatever they can to learn from Poles and adopt and preserve their ways.

There may be freedom of movement but they are still guests in this country unless they choose otherwise as I would be in Poland. Unless they integrate, there is nothing to learn from them and preserving their ways is their problem, not ours.

Not paved with gold but certainly built off of slave labor and war bounty along with the agricultural and mineral exploitation from other countries.

You forgot about the industrial heritage of the UK. You are slipping.

And don't worry about having to learn any Spanish; your fellow expats get on absolutely fine there with their lazy tongues, imported British stodge, and unfettered access to all media back in the UK.

This sounds very much like Poles in England except most of those expats in Spain are retirees. It's not comparing like with like really is it.

Some of them are so brainwashed they think their countries are being "enriched" by third world immigrants as their own ethnicity/nation/cultures gets raped out of existence slowly.

Don't believe the hype. There are some that are blind fools, but not many.


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