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Is it good for Poland as Sinn Fein will win today in Northen Ireland


Cojestdocholery 2 | 1,194
13 May 2022 #31
And you never went to Ireland

I have been there once. It was summer and everything was cold, Colder than in Poland. Yes its green but a cold wind chill your ass - why bother to come back, better go to Greece, Croatia or Spain.

Architecture is nicer and better in Poland if you don't look at those communist bloks. Women are overated too, there are some pretty ladies but if you take ratio between pretty, OK and ugly that works in Poland favour too.
OP Alien 18 | 4,845
13 May 2022 #32
Sorry Atch, Ireland has always been too far but I promise I will get better and we will go to Ireland someday.
Atch 23 | 4,057
13 May 2022 #33
Yes its green but a cold wind chill

People don't go to Ireland for the weather. They go for the history and the culture and mostly to meet the people.

Architecture is nicer and better in Poland

Where did you go? There are many very old and beautiful buildings in Ireland, older than Poland, and lots of quaint little villages, some are very pretty. Poland does have some impressive public buildings but to be honest now, there are alot of incredibly depressing fugly settlements that pass for villages. It's because of your history and the fact that many of your original, beautiful wooden buildings were destroyed and you don't have enough conservation/preservation orders for the remaining ones.

Anyway, it's mostly for the natural beauty that people visit Ireland, not the buildings.

there are some pretty ladies

Again, in Ireland, men don't go for the 'prettiest' women. They prefer women who have a bit of personality. Irish men like women who can drink them under the table and have a laugh :))
Barney 15 | 1,586
13 May 2022 #34
The EU will not give up

As far as the EU is concerned Brexit is done, the withdrawal deal and free trade agreement was negotiated, ratified by the British parliament and the EU. it may be altered but not scrapped otherwise there is a very real possibility there would be a trade war. That could impact Poland for the very short period before the UK folds.

With success in the north comes success in the 26 counties. The same party in government in both parts of the island is very worrying for the corrupt right wing duopoly that have basically run the place (26 counties) since independence. Ireland is a small country so the impact a Sinn Fein government will have on the EU will be minimal except when it comes to reunifying the country. Sinn Fein will do everything to encourage the EU to support their position.

In the big scheme of things Sinn Fein and Ireland wont have an impact on Poland
jon357 74 | 21,939
13 May 2022 #35
There are many very old and beautiful buildings in Ireland

Some of the finest eighteenth century buildings in the world, specifically the ascendency era mansions. For a relatively small (even very small in population terms) some of them are remarkable.

it may be altered

This has always been the case. Although the EU dislike it, provisions exist to adapt to changing situations like the one we have right now.
Atch 23 | 4,057
13 May 2022 #36
The same party in government in both parts of the island is very worrying for the corrupt right wing duopoly

But Sinn Fein is not in government in the Republic and although they've cleaned up their image they're still seen as far too extreme and left wing by most people. There is definitely a sense in Ireland that SF would run the country into the ground.

As for the other parties, right wing is a bit of a stretch. Irish politics has always been pretty much centrist. I would say it used be Fianna Fail was the socially conservative party, Fine Gael was like the equivalent of the English liberal party, then you had a small presence of the Labour party and a small but important group of independents. Again, to call them corrupt by international standards of corruption is a stretch. The old brown envelopes for planning and the banking crisis, and of course nepotism and cronyism because Ireland is so tiny but there's a lot worse places in the world.
Barney 15 | 1,586
13 May 2022 #37
@Atch
Sinn Fein are well ahead in the polls, they topped the polls in the last general election but failed to stand enough candidates, their lead has been consistent for years it wasn't a protest vote. In a multi seat PR election they probably will be the largest party possibly having enough TDs to govern without coalition.

The documented corruption of FF and FG though not on a Mexican level is still proportional to the size and location of the country.

The impact on Poland will revolve around how they use their EU veto to achieve unity. The EU had Irelands back over Brexit and everyone saw that clearly.
Atch 23 | 4,057
13 May 2022 #38
The impact on Poland will revolve around how they use their EU veto to achieve unity.

I'm not sure what you mean Barney. If you mean a united Ireland we can only get that through a border poll and we won't have one of those for a long time.

possibly having enough TDs to govern without coalition.

Doubt it very much. The elections are three years away and a lot will depend on how they conduct themselves in NI over that time. Personally I'd hate to see SF in power in the Republic even in a coalition but they're needed in the north. While the last remnants of the DUP fanatics and friends are still around, you need SF. That's how I feel anyway.
OP Alien 18 | 4,845
13 May 2022 #39
@Atch
Thank you for your link. Very nice film. Ireland is a realy green island. Even mailboxes are green.🍀
OP Alien 18 | 4,845
13 Jun 2022 #40
Can someone explain to me what should be new in New Northern Ireland Protocol and why should EU will be willing to change anything?
jon357 74 | 21,939
13 Jun 2022 #41
what should be new

That is yet to be decided. Most Commentators suggest it will be about fixing problem regarding internal movement of goods and services within the UK.

why should EU will be willing to change anything?

It's not up to them since the UK is not a member. It is an internal matter.
Tacitus 2 | 1,392
13 Jun 2022 #42
It is an internal matter.

It is not since the UK is about to break an international treaty.
jon357 74 | 21,939
13 Jun 2022 #43
break an international treaty.

One which is flexible since the UK government have the power to dissaply pasta of the NI Protocol where they are impractical and amend areas that are not working.

Any changes will be within international law and concern only internal matters within the UK.
Tacitus 2 | 1,392
13 Jun 2022 #44
We shall see. Maybe Johnson will see reason and not implement what he promised, but I see little grounds for optimism.
jon357 74 | 21,939
13 Jun 2022 #45
Johnson will see reason

He has seen reason and is amending a protocol that doesn't work by entirely legal means rather than be tied down with inappropriate and ineffective bureaucracy.

It concerns no country other than the UK. The Republic of Ireland is unaffected.

but I see little grounds for optimism.

I see plenty.
Tacitus 2 | 1,392
14 Jun 2022 #46
I see plenty.

Me too, since I just read that it is possible that this proposal might not get a majority in parliament. Hopefully enough MPs will see that a clear violation of international law and a possible trade war with EU are not in the UKs' interest.
OP Alien 18 | 4,845
14 Jun 2022 #47
Mayby Great Britain would agree to let Northern Ireland to join EU?
jon357 74 | 21,939
14 Jun 2022 #48
Northern Ireland to join EU?

It would be a bit weird for one part of a country to be in it and the rest not.

might not get a majority in parliament.

It is likely to go through.

After all, the situation as it stands doesn't work. Hard to know why germans and French would want customs checks on mail the UK.

Perhaps they should concentrate on supporting their buddy Putin.

As you were told, the governing is acting the law and at the request of businesses and politicians in NI.
Lenka 5 | 3,403
14 Jun 2022 #49
The whole Brexit negotiations on Brexit were a big joke and this is just another act.

Boris signed it himself but because the NI elections he now wants to change it. Does anyone believe that something that couldn't be sorted by months of negotiations can be solved by Boris Johnson's government alone? Pure joke
jon357 74 | 21,939
14 Jun 2022 #50
Boris signed it himself

And no agreement is irrevocable. It is not set in stone.

The Good Friday Agreement takes legal precedence over any other, as you know.

he now wants to change it.

The people of Northern Ireland wasn't to change it.
Lenka 5 | 3,403
14 Jun 2022 #51
It is not set in stone.

But it is still an agreement and serious partners don't turn around after few minutes and say 'I don't like an I will do as suits me'.

The Good Friday Agreement takes legal precedence over any other,

That is something British government should have thought about. EU is not a side to that agreement.

The people of Northern Ireland wasn't to change it.

Then why the party that doesn't think it's necessary got the most seats?

Not to mention that their will is not some magic word that makes it ok not to be a serious partner in agreement.
jon357 74 | 21,939
14 Jun 2022 #52
But it is still an agreement and serious partners don't

Serious partners don't enact 4000 new laws that impact on it without expecting it to be subsequently amended to reflect that.

If the EU don't like that, they can always negotiate.

British government should have thought about

They did. Which is why the mechanism exists to change it as they are doing.

Then why the party that doesn't think it's necessary got the most seats

They didn't. The overwhelming majority of seats are held by other parties.
Atch 23 | 4,057
14 Jun 2022 #53
Can someone explain to me

The only way to understand anything about Northern Ireland, including the Protocol is to get the Irish perspective. Read Tony Connelly on RTE. He does in depth analysis and is a true expert on NI. Also if you read Irish journalists, you get extra 'local' information like what they've been told off the record by their UK government sources etc.

rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2022/0611/1304135-uk-northern-ireland-protocol-bill/
OP Alien 18 | 4,845
14 Jun 2022 #54
The EU Commission would now look at restarting of "infringement proceedings". What the hell is it?
jon357 74 | 21,939
14 Jun 2022 #55
I'm sure that's been considered.

As mentioned, 4000 new laws have been passed since all of which affect it.

It sounds like the EU trying to impose their will on a country outside its jurisdiction. It would be easier for them in the long term to negotiate.
Atch 23 | 4,057
14 Jun 2022 #56
"infringement proceedings". What the hell is it?

//ec.europa.eu/info/law/law-making-process/applying-eu-law/infringement-procedure_en

It would be a bit weird for one part of a country to be in it and the rest not.

If Northern Ireland is part of any country, it's part of - wait for it- Ireland! Yes, that's right. Ireland is an island and the statelet of NI comprises six of the thirty-two counties of Ireland. Those six counties are located in one of the four provinces of - yes, right again, Ireland. The UK is not a country. It's a union of countries, those countries being England, Scotland and Wales plus one bit of somebody else's country. But yes, it is indeed a bit weird that one part of Ireland is in the EU and the rest is not.
Cojestdocholery 2 | 1,194
14 Jun 2022 #57
reland is an island

So what? Doesn't mean it has be the same country. Slogan one island one country is a political slogan nothing more.
I mean I couldn't care less about the way it will go but on this point I like you to be aware that your postion is a political bias nothing more.
jon357 74 | 21,939
14 Jun 2022 #58
Ireland

Legally, it's part the UK and has always voted to be so in free and fair elections.

else's country.

Not the Republic's, unless Stormont held a referendum that nobody's heard about. It's not as if they lack politicians and parties in Ulster.

, it is indeed a bit weird

Even weirder that it insists on staying in the UK and weirder yet that we don't just abandon that money sink and let the Republic deal with Ulster's inhabitants. Nevertheless, we are not russia and like it or not have to abide by a democratic vote.

Important not to give in to pressure from France and Germany who would love to see the UK break up and care not one hour about Ireland.
Atch 23 | 4,057
14 Jun 2022 #59
your postion is a political bias

My position is the cultural reality. Each of the four provinces of Ireland has a distinct character but we're all Irish, same as every province of Poland is Polish. The northern part of Ireland was one of the most Gaelic in character for centuries and was the seat of the most powerful Gaelic chieftains, the O'Neill. It's a hugely important and significant part of Irish history and culture. The modern state of NI has its own unique character but it certainly is not remotely 'British'. Have you ever been there?
Cojestdocholery 2 | 1,194
14 Jun 2022 #60
The northern part of Ireland was

and was

Indeed 'was' like Lwów was center of Polish culture and a part of the Polish Crown since middle ages. Aslo it is a hugely important and significant part of Polish history and culture.

It is not now and hasn't been for centuries and Irish are minority there.

Have you ever been there?

Why would I? It is in the north it must be even colder than in Dublin.


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