Mentally ill people in British society

Those giant, old-fashioned hospitals were well-intended and in their day were excellent. Their day, however, finished decades ago. No good reason to shut people away.


People were often very keen to do that. Mental illness or disability carried a stigma once - fortunately ideas have changed for a lot of people in the UK and the welfare system helps with the others.

I remember watching a current affairs doc, the mid week ITV one, called Italy's mad law the double meaning was intended. It was about care in the community and was seen as revolutionary at the time. Italy's practice wasn't the penny pinching variety Thatcher introduced in Britain but a true example of care in the community and the first in Europe.

Yep, you wouldn't want anybody seeing apparitions or hearing voices from God in Church would you. Lol

Are you a parent?

Sometimes I feel discriminated against, despite the fact that my problems are the more socially acceptable kind. Living with the kind of stigma that is attached to mental illness, to any degree, is a really mean battle to fight. It is especially depressing for people with long-standing kinds of problems that are competent enough to function normally such as aspbergers, personality disorders, etc.

Do you know that I have had a job where they wouldn't schedule me on certain days because they thought I seemed a little "unstable" and couldn't handle the stress? That's the kind of thing I'm talking about which leads to discrimination. It had nothing whatsoever to do with the job or my performance. My work performance was as good as anyone else's, they just didn't like my demeanor/personality and the fact that I am a woman only further perpetrated the discrimination. They wanted to let me go because they didn't like me, but they couldn't because that would have been illegal.

And did you know I've come across some people who flat out told me that I should not work in health care, because I suffer occasional panic attacks. I can understand that logic for certain positions, but to tell someone they SHOULDN'T work in a field is just highly offensive.

...being typically English!

Here WielkiPolak, let me try to explain what people are trying to tell you..."Intolerance is a sin."

Meathead when was the last time you went to church?

lol

Man, you have some real issues.

Best of luck out there in the real world, you're going to need it.

Went to a comedy gig today. Somebody had tourettes. Now it was obvious they were ill, but they did keep shouting out stuff during the gigs. Some people found it funny, others were not as amused. At one stage, a comedian asked someone in the audience if they were here by themselves. At this point the guy with tourettes shouted out 'F off home you 'F ing' loser.' Now again, people know this guy has a problem, but it was still very rude and I could tell other members of the audience were distressed by it. The question is, where do you draw a line with mental illnesses and who gets to make these decisions?

Who makes the decisions about your mental illness?

Personally I think most of the responses here are based on the PC culture we have these days. People agree with me and know they feel awkward around some of these people, but feel that it is the correct thing to do, to say it is normal and should be accepted. It's very phony.

What makes you say that ? Given the context, this doesn't sound like a phonic tic or copralalia, it sounds more like...............a heckler.


F60.8 - definately.

No, it's based on being Christian and humane. Do you think Jesus would want to lock people up just because they disturbed someone?


People agree with you? No evidence of that on here...

I avoid attending Church as much as possible. I can't say how long it's been, 5 years? ten? maybe more.

I try to lead a Christian life.

nobody who has replied here agrees with you do they?
so what do you base your claim on?

I think you need to read this thread again.

also, people who start bleating about 'it's PC gorn mad' are usually nasty types using that as some kind of lame excuse for their vileness.

No I'd say that people who say it's PC gone mad get unfairly accused, by people like you, of being, hateful nasty people, when they are simply saying the truth.


No I don't. I stand by my view that most people who have replied to me here, don't back up their words with action. I think if they were in a restaurant with a friend or their partner/husband/wife, and a mentally ill person at a table nearby began to behave loudly and in a very disruptive way, they would also not be happy with it, and want to move or have somebody deal with the mentally ill person, by either taking them somewhere else or doing something, so they could enjoy their meal [that they paid for].

What you mean disturbed? In same cases Jesus would chase away evil spirits.


You are sinking.


What exactly you have in mind?

Disturbed as in disturbing their dinner.


Except it isn't the truth. The fact that you come on here preaching about religion, then show utter intolerance towards people with problems shows you for who you really are.


I'd pity the person. Maybe you consider your enjoyment to be worth the most important, in which case, I'd recommend reading the prologue to The Canterbury Tales.

Shouting, swearing, messing up the table, generally being loud and drawing a lot of attention to himself, making it impossible to ignore.


You are so full of sh*t delph. Yeah sure you'd stop and pity them. Ok right. Stop pretending to be something you are not. Like I said, many people can talk the talk, but don't walk the walk. You act like this person who is better than me because you care about these poor people more than me. To me there is a lot of talk, but I'm sure there is very little following through, from your part. You know, practicing what you preach?

This has nothing to do with my enjoyment. It is about normal people being able to live a normal life without having to sit there, smiling and pretending that nothing strange is going on, when it is. I am not ridiculing anybody, I just know how to acknowledge that some people have got certain issues, rather than pretending they don't exist, so that they can feel normal, just because they do 'normal people stuff.' I suppose mentally ill people who are known to attack others should also be allowed to live in society and feel normal? It's not their fault, they have problems, they can't help it. Oh wait, you'll probably say no, because they are a risk to other people, but if they are shouting and swearing in public or insulting people, that is not as great a risk, so let them be and convince other people that they should be understanding and deal with it.

Poor guy. Imagine being that person, knowing that there are a load of people tutting under their breath and considering you to be the scum of the earth?


Because I don't advocate Nazi theories, unlike yourself?


Of course I would. I feel sorry for people who have disabilities caused by no fault of their own. In this case - autism - those of us that have actually worked with autistic individuals know how rewarding it can be.


I already work with an autistic person, thanks :) And I've never sat there tutting under my breath just because some poor chap was having problems.


Why is it strange? What's strange about autism, or mental illness? Like others have told you, many people suffer from it - and I suspect many others suffer from it without even realising.


You acknowledge them by advocating that they get locked up.


What has that got to do with autism?


What risk is there to you by someone who shouts and screams?

Oh yes, I forgot, it would ruin your comfortable middle class existence which scorns such people.

Could autism or learning disability - not necessary a mental illness, rather mental disability, a different kettle of fish.


Stop pretending delph the one thing I'm certain about you is that you lack empathy.

Depends towards who, Ironside.


I know it's quite common for mentally disabled people to shout and scream - they have issues with expressing themselves, therefore shouting/screaming is a good way to convey emotion.

No he had tourettes. The MC [host] even mentioned it at the beginning, that there is somebody with tourettes. So we knew he had it, but it still didn't prevent people from feeling awkward when he was verbally abusing some guy in the audience. It's not a nice thing to have done to you, whether they have an illness or not. I mean, let's be honest, it wouldn't be acceptable to have a mentally ill physically attack somebody, even if we know they are mentally ill, so why is verbal abuse acceptable? Do you follow the old 'sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me' rule?


I wouldn't tut under my breath, I would more likely just leave. Oh and I wouldn't have anything against that person, nor do I think they should be locked up, for you information, since you keep trying to make me out to be some guy that wants to see mentally ill people in prisons.


Hahahahahahahahahaha! I can't even bring myself to reply to that one.


So how would you feel sorry for them? Would you sit there sadly, or go over to them and pat them on the back? Would you tell whoever you were with that you should go, because you are too upset to eat, seeing a mentally ill person at another table, or perhaps you continue on with your meal sadly, ignoring all the swearing going on a few yards away from you?


You are kidding aren't you? Why do you think it is called an illness? It is not normal. People can have illnesses, but it is not part of the norm. People would rather not have them, and if they do, they do what they can do get rid of them. It's the same as, if somebody has a bad cold, they should stay at home, firstly, to get better, but also, not to infect others with it. I think it is unfair of someone to actually come in, when they have a cold, as it puts others at risk. I suppose you will find a way to twist that and make me look selfish.

Oh and delph, regarding your comments on the risk of somebody shouting, what if they are shouting at you, loudly and aggressively? Is that still okay? Look back to my reply at the top of this post.