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P60 UK Upload - Brexit and Polish people's contribution to the British economy


adamevans1200    
7 Oct 2016  #1
Hello Everybody,

Just a thought, why don't all 800,000 Polish upload last years P60
Blank names out and all other important information

It will just go to show all the "Little Englanders" how much tax they will actually miss if Poles get deported after Brexit.

(It will even show that Poles earn more than them too!!!)
terri 1 | 1,572    
7 Oct 2016  #2
your 800,000 figure is out by a few million.
OP adamevans1200    
7 Oct 2016  #3
@Terri, even better then,

So my guess was 800,000 Poles living in UK paying on average £10,000 a year tax.

If I have underestimated this then the British Government would stand to lose £8bn per year as a result of getting their borders and sovereignty back !!!
gregy741 4 | 1,207    
7 Oct 2016  #4
income taxes are just fraction of contribution. just think of those 800k people pay for lets say ,accommodation.800k times 100 quid a week average renting price for room. that's almost 5 billion a year.or travel-1 million times 30 quid a week-1.5 billion. and then mobile phone top ups,council taxes,utility bills,gas,water,electric.national insurance ect.

and its not only poles they want out.but all EE people. and that almost 5 million of young taxpayers. brexit idiocy
Atch 17 | 2,701    
7 Oct 2016  #5
I doubt very much that Britain will require Poles to leave. I'm pretty sure that at the very least those Polish nationals who have been living in the UK for 'x' number of years will be safe, also I think any families with children attending school or college will be ok. Theresa May is not Idi Amin.

Ok, just checked it out and according to senior civil servant Mark Sedwill, he was saying, as far back as July that any EU citizen who had lived in Britain for five years and has the right to permanent residence cannot legally be asked to leave:

"I think for people who have the five-year residence, we have in effect had a guarantee".

"It is not for me to do so (give a personal guarantee) but in the end Parliament does. It is set out in law. The current law it is clearly the case."


But for the rest, it's dependent on Brexit negotiations. However it's not clear whether he meant people who had five years residence at the date of the referendum, five years when the exit process is triggered or five years when the final exit takes place.
Ironside 47 | 9,501    
7 Oct 2016  #6
It will just go to show all

Show what? Do you think that they even care? Let alone understand implications.

they want out. But all EE people.

A good idea, all EE people should leave and they can only have commonwealth people or no-one.

your 800,000 figure is out by a few million.

Do you have any data to support your claim?
jon357 64 | 14,382    
7 Oct 2016  #7
ncome taxes are just fraction of contribution. just think of those 800k people pay for lets say ,accommodatio

For once we strongly agree. The post-2004 Polish migration to the UK has been very good for the economy, just as migration from the U.K. and elsewhere is good for the Polish economy.

I suspect we'll be hearing a lot more about this issue as time goes on.

brexit idiocy

Yes...
terri 1 | 1,572    
7 Oct 2016  #8
I have based my assumption on these facts:
1. Poles (or Polish nationals) were resident in England well before 2004 and have supported the British economy. Polish people did not arrive in 2004. These Poles may have married British nationals, and although they may be British, they are of Polish extraction. Would you count them as Poles?

2. It is extremely difficult to estimate the total number of Poles in England. If we go by Insurance Numbers, this may be a basis.
3. The fact is that NO ONE can say exactly how many Poles are currently resident in Britain, how many are working and paying tax and how many are on benefits of any kind.

4. There is no way of checking how many arrived, how many have left and how many will leave (not having been resident etc) for 5 years.

The Government to this day say ' an estimated X', but if they were ABSOLUTELY SURE, they would give a definite figure.
5. Just to put your mind at rest, I myself was born in Poland, have British nationality and have lived in England for 50 years. What does that make me?

A Pole or British national? Would I be counted in your figures?
TicTacToe    
7 Oct 2016  #9
If you are a British national then your rights are the same as mine. If you're not and the government require you to leave, you leave.

Many people from all over the world are repatriated to their home country from the UK. Just because you paid some money, like you would in any other country gives you no special rights, only citizenship does that.

It would be a pointless task.

As for being here 50 years, and what does that make me. I think you need to ask yourself that.
Atch 17 | 2,701    
7 Oct 2016  #10
Tic Tac I don't think you've read the whole thread. EU citizens who've been five years in the UK have the right to permanent residency and cannot be kicked out. And that's not just EU law. It involves various international agreements to which the UK is a signatory and which are independent of the EU. Actually it's not just EU citizens either.
Adamevans1200    
7 Oct 2016  #11
So if Poles are not deported what's to say that they think they are not wanted in UK now. I know plenty of Poles who have categorically said "I'm not wanted here, I'll go"

The effects of this can be seen already

bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-36799951

If I do my sums correctly £9000 a year on fees, 3 years, 100 students = £2.7mil

Brexit is looking good so far !!
Atch 17 | 2,701    
7 Oct 2016  #12
Realistically a lot of them don't have much to go back to. Many Poles in the UK come from economically depressed parts of Poland which have changed little during the years they've been away. Those who have jobs, businesses, homes, children born in the UK may not feel so inclined to give all that up. It's natural, if people feel unwanted, to get emotional about it and declare 'ok then we're off' but when they've cooled down a bit and considered the alternative, they may well change their minds.
TicTacToe    
7 Oct 2016  #13
And what gives Poles superiority over other nations ? Because they're Eastern European ?.

Because they came in large numbers ?
What about the German or Italian, French and Greek citizens. Should Poles be above those nations.

Get a citizenship and you can stay.

I know American doctors, specialist in genetics who have to meet criteria to stay.

I know what the 5 year rule is and like I said if you have citizenship, which is what 5 years allows, your rights are the same as mine as long as you have British citizenship.
Atch 17 | 2,701    
7 Oct 2016  #14
And what gives Poles superiority over other nations ?

They wouldn't be a special case. This applies to all EU citizens who might be affected by Brexit.

like I said

Get a citizenship and you can stay.

Yes but what you say, is merely your opinon. The law states otherwise. People who have the right to permanent residence have the choice of applying for citizenship but they don't have to and they are entitled to reside in the UK permanently without it.
TicTacToe    
7 Oct 2016  #15
Well that is while we are a member. After Brexit people will have to apply for citizenship or leave, probably be given it free but then when others who have nationalised before Brexit have paid why should you be given it free.

I can not see the UK government having EU citizens from the time we were a member given free reign of the country, it just won't be allowed.
jon357 64 | 14,382    
7 Oct 2016  #16
After Brexit people will have to apply for citizenship or leave,

Far too early to say.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,679    
7 Oct 2016  #17
" "Little Englanders" "

Could I please take this opportunity to remind you that in fact. the UK is made up of three and a half nations, and therefore about a quarter of the population is 'English'.

Also could I please ask people stop all this hysteria. The British government invited people in...they are not going to now turn round and say off you go are they?

Certainly not to workers and students.
jon357 64 | 14,382    
7 Oct 2016  #18
the UK is made up of three and a half nations, and therefore about a quarter of the population is 'English'

In fact most (around 40 million) are in England - the population of the four constituent parts are very different. Poles living there are spread around, with by far the highest number in England.

Unfortunately in the England bit we have some very poorly educated people, happy to sign away the future of 65 million people,
TicTacToe    
7 Oct 2016  #19
Irony is that it was actually a liberal who started Brexit, I don't think idiot Clegg knew that when he coined the racist term " little Englander ".
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,679    
7 Oct 2016  #20
yes OK Jon, most are in England. but i do not think the Irish, Welsh and Scottish appreciate being dismissed as 'Little Englanders' . Actually nor do the English...:)

" Unfortunately in the England bit we have some very poorly educated people,"

oh please can we stop dismissing everyone who voted 'leave' as 'poorly educated' - it is very far from the truth.
TicTacToe    
7 Oct 2016  #21
It's just a term Roz, a bit like paki or queer. It's to insult, nothing more. Some use education as the insult too, little knowing Brexit was founded by a professor.
jon357 64 | 14,382    
7 Oct 2016  #22
little knowing Brexit was founded by a professor.

That makes all the difference. I wonder what percentage of academics voted for that parochial and self-destructive nonsense.

oh please can we stop dismissing everyone who voted 'leave' as 'poorly educated' - it is very far from the truth.

If you look at who voted for what in the non-binding 'referendum', those with less education tended to vote for the Farage/Johnson lies and the better educated tended to vote for common sense.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,679    
7 Oct 2016  #23
but TicTacToe - nobody says 'paki' or 'queer' any more. do they?
Anyway just to let you know that the three people in my circle of friends and family whom I know to have voted Brexit have a couple of PhDs and a clutch of MA's between them, one of them speaks 7 languages, and two of them have mixed race children,, and the other one is an immigrant...:) sorry to break your stereotypes.

Also, Jon, you do not even live here so stop sneering and being right on please,
jon357 64 | 14,382    
7 Oct 2016  #24
Also, Jon, you do not even live here so stop sneering and being right on please,

What's 'right on' about believing we should stay in the world's largest trading bloc. But yes, it won't be the factories in my town here in PL that close.
TicTacToe    
7 Oct 2016  #25
Well I have a degree and I speak German. My wife has two degree's she speaks Ukrainian, English and German. All her family are highly educated and all but one voted leave. To use education as an insult towards others is just plain ignorant and naive.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,679    
7 Oct 2016  #26
What's 'right on' about believing we should stay in the world's largest trading bloc.

just stop with the sneering and 'badly educated' schtick because it is not the case, I can assure you,
jon357 64 | 14,382    
7 Oct 2016  #27
Evidently, 'tictactoe' you don't mind about the effect of losing lucrative academic research projects, something which Polish Universities will be all to happy to bid for. Equally it looks like you don't mind about young people's access to studying in Europe either.

Anyway, this thread is actually about how Poles in the UK can respond to the 'Brexit' mistake rather than your Faragist anti-immigration trolling.

it is not the case, I can assure you,

I prefer to be assured by the voting stats, and as for 'sneering', some schadenfreude is highly appropriate here - after all, the whole of Europe is sneering at the Brexiteers.
TicTacToe    
7 Oct 2016  #28
It's actually down too Labour the sneering. It pushed them away with racist insults and for once people got up off their arse and did something about them.

And may it carry on.

I hate Labour with a passion !!
jon357 64 | 14,382    
7 Oct 2016  #29
down too Labour

In France, Germany, Poland?

And how does that relate to the huge benefits to the economy brought by Poles living in the UK and the P60 upload idea?
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,679    
7 Oct 2016  #30
the whole of Europe is sneering at the Brexiteers.

I am not sure that they are. IN fact I rather suspect they are thinking...good for them...maybe we should do that too.
Sorry Jon but Britain did not fight two world wars to be ruled by Germany did it?


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