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90% of Poles have university degree?


dominikus28 4 | 4
2 Jun 2010 #1
I remember reading somewhere on the internet that 90% of Polish people have a university degree. Is this true? Can anyone site an article?

Thanks
Dzięki
zetigrek
2 Jun 2010 #2
no. its not true. But nowadays its very popular to go to uni... and its not hard to pass.
Torq 26 | 2,434
2 Jun 2010 #3
No, it's not true, but 90% of those who have a university degree would find
it difficult to pass Matura exam (after highschool) 30 years ago.
Olaf 6 | 956
2 Jun 2010 #4
Torq, I think that's not true at all if you mean that they were less educated. Forgetting is another thing...
Torq 26 | 2,434
2 Jun 2010 #5
What I meant was that the level of higher education in Poland deteriorated so much
that 90% of those who graduate from universities today would find it difficult to pass
Matura exam 25-30 years ago. It is not only my opinion but also of the overwhelming
majority of university professors, lecturers and students themselves (the smarter part
of them). Sad but true...
convex 20 | 3,978
2 Jun 2010 #6
It is not only my opinion but also of the overwhelming
majority of university professors, lecturers and students themselves (the smarter part
of them). Sad but true...

I get to hear this all the time from my girlfriends parents. Quantity over quality is the name of the game. Plowing everyone through university is a very expensive and detrimental way to deal with lack of job opportunities.
frd 7 | 1,399
2 Jun 2010 #7
I'm gonna give you a quick example of law faculty in Katowice
there are 700 students attending "weekend courses" - that means they study only on weekens, and around 200 students attending normal courses. Of course one way or another the first and second number will be dereased during the first year (weekend students even by 300) but it still gives you A VERY LARGE number of people who didn't have many subjects which ordinary full-time students had, do the math. Those people have a much smaller knowledge. Of course you can be a good student of the weekend courses - but most of these people are those who didn't score the right amount of points during the entry exam because they were lazy or because they took into account that their parents gonna pay for them anyway therefore they are still slacking off later on.

It works because the university wants to earn, and it gets a LOT of money from students from the "weekend courses". Actually the law faculty of the Silesian University in Katowice is the richest of faculties they have.

There are universities with very poor education quality. On the other hand there are those that have a much much steeper entry conditions - for instance Silesian Medical University where even if you want attend the extramural paid studies you need to have a proper entry score to get in, not just the money as it is at some other units.

Oh of course by entry exam I mean mature - and at some university additional exams.
nincompoop_not 2 | 192
2 Jun 2010 #8
When Poland became a 'free country' yet again in the 90. suddenly there was a huge increase in a number of schools - private schools - where you were able to do your BA/MA.

I've known number of people who were telling me 'I have two degrees' to which I always replied - where from? From Pcimie Dolne?'

Pcimie Dolne is a derogatory term - it means that something coming from there can't be of any value.

But that was the case back in the 90 - huge number of semi-unis/schools that you coughed up the dosh and you were studying to get your BA and MA. Most of these people wouldn't make it through exams to get to a normal, old established unis. Most of these schools didn't have good lecturers because those who valued themselves wouldn't set a foot through the door.

It's changed later - money talks. Few schools since then closed the door. Number of reasons, from various frauds to not having proper curriculum etc.

I would think that the situation is more balanced now, but in the 90 it was wild wild west and yes, I wouldnt be surprised if the number was really high.
pgtx 29 | 3,159
2 Jun 2010 #9
Quantity over quality

very true...
it's all about money...
there are many private unis in PL nowadays, and free education of public schools is not too much for free...
that's people's choice, if they want to be unemployed with or without a degree...
zetigrek
2 Jun 2010 #10
I've known number of people who were telling me 'I have two degrees' to which I always replied - where from? From Pcimie Dolne?'
Pcimie Dolne is a derogatory term - it means that something coming from there can't be of any value.

Unfortunately not only Pcimie Dolne plays this game. Also "renomed" public unis do their best to make money on amount of studnets... (otwierają nowe kierunki, studia wieczorowe, zaoczne itp) And its stereotype that the problem is only problem of private schools.

In 2005 there was new formula of Marura exam, which began to be so simple that its a shame to not pass. It all was becouse the educational lobby want to preserve high % of students...

Poland has nothing to be proud in this field...
Seanus 15 | 19,706
2 Jun 2010 #11
I remember being in Żywiec for a stint with my wife. We waited half an hour for a train, only to find that it was filled with utter bozos who she said were sporting the scarves of Jagellonia University. I cannot for the world of me imagine that they were real uni students. If so, Jagellonia leaves a lot to be desired.

Yeah, results may be high but you have to look at how people get those results.
MareGaea 29 | 2,752
2 Jun 2010 #12
90% of Poles have university degree?

Don't think so. If it were true, this would not look so good for the Polish university system. If just anybody can pass, what's the worth of an academic education? You would need a Master's in Geology just to clean the toilets in PL, and I haven't heard yet that this is the case. So it's very safe to assume that this is not true.

>^..^<

M-G (tiens)
1jola 14 | 1,879
2 Jun 2010 #13
So it's very safe to assume that this is not true.

It is not only not true but ridiculous to even think that in any country this would be true.
MareGaea 29 | 2,752
2 Jun 2010 #14
Agreed.

>^..^<

M-G (tiens)
slawekk - | 18
2 Jun 2010 #15
90% of those who graduate from universities today would find it difficult to pass
Matura exam 25-30 years ago

I am sure that 90% of those with Ph.D. now would not pass the today's Matura. Of course it is easy to know stuff related to your job now. I personally would pass mathematics and English and fail on everything else. If you have doubts, sit down right now and write an essay about "MONARCHIA KAROLA WIELKIEGO - IDEE, STRUKTURY, FUNKCJE". Good luck.
zetigrek
2 Jun 2010 #16
You know sh1t. Another victim of media against "klucz do matury z polskiego"... the truth is that i really didnt have to learn so much for new matura. Just wake up and dont let yourself to be fooled
delphiandomine 83 | 17,789
2 Jun 2010 #17
You would need a Master's in Geology just to clean the toilets in PL, and I haven't heard yet that this is the case.

However - it is true that there are adverts here demanding a Masters just to work as a receptionist, which is a joke!
zetigrek
2 Jun 2010 #18
Yeah, whole Poland is one big joke...
milky 13 | 1,657
2 Jun 2010 #19
I thinks this is a world wide problem and not just Poland. Its the effect of an unregulated market economy. Degrees,masters,PHD,super PHD with wings get them in McDonalds soon with a milkshake. No point anymore in having these pieces of paper unless you know the right people. Qualifications are no longer a mark of distinction if every Tom Dick and Harry has them.
zetigrek
2 Jun 2010 #20
So @milky you've also come across such problem in your country? I've always believed if so, its just the margin of academics in western countries...
milky 13 | 1,657
2 Jun 2010 #21
Yea its a huge problem here for sure. Low grades are now accepted as colleges want to hold on to numbers and other colleges basically selling qualification so you get them in quarter the time. Everybody is now stayng in college to get masters in the hope that the economy will have picked up in the mean time lol.

Looks like we are returning back to feudilism. Distinction decided on bloodlines.
z_darius 14 | 3,968
3 Jun 2010 #22
So called higher education has become an industry in most countries these days. Actual science as a mainstream goals of the academia is but a fading memory. These days the guaranteed sophistries are multicultural "studies", green sh,it and , of course, holocaust "studies". These are the best ones to get you grants and scholarships.
zetigrek
3 Jun 2010 #23
z_darius

And your daughter who is majoring in history and political science also acknowledges that?
frd 7 | 1,399
3 Jun 2010 #24
what is your point? Your posts sound a bit unintelligable..
Miguel Colombia - | 351
3 Jun 2010 #25
So even the Polish redneck cleaning toilets in London may have an university degree?
nincompoop_not 2 | 192
3 Jun 2010 #26
for once you might be correct

not sure about redneck tho
frd 7 | 1,399
3 Jun 2010 #27
So even the Polish redneck cleaning toilets in London may have an university degree?

Many students who work in bars as waiters and waitresses during summer holidays time are on their way to getting a degree or already have one if it is their gap year.
zetigrek
3 Jun 2010 #28
what is your point? Your posts sound a bit unintelligable..

His daughter is a collage studnet who recently moved to Poland.

So even the Polish redneck cleaning toilets in London may have an university degree?

Ppl who are imigrants can be toilet cleaners because they are imigrants (not because they have poor education). Nothing new.
If you are an imigrant your education doesnt count. Just take every odd job you are offered.
Miguel Colombia - | 351
3 Jun 2010 #29
Ppl who are imigrants can be toilet cleaners because they are imigrants (not because they have poor education). Nothing new.
If you are an imigrant your education doesnt count. Just take every odd job you are offered.

I have a degree in Music and I have never had to work cleaning toilets, but as a guitar teacher and composer for films.
zetigrek
3 Jun 2010 #30
Be glad your not a imigrant from Russia or something... then you'd certainly clean toilets.


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