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The true causes of the current war between Russia and Ukraine


Bobko 25 | 1,995
24 Aug 2023 #61
because Russia can't be forced to observe them, and has weapons of mass destruction that Russia may resort to.

I think any reasonable actor, being cognizant of the above, would modulate his behavior accordingly. Don't you think so?

Ukraine seemed to think it was immune to the laws of gravity, and good neighborliness. It behaved in the most outrageous way towards us. Let me just remind you what they did:

1) Stole tens of billions of dollars of our gas. Not in any clever way, or at least some way that is hard to prove, but in most cases by literally siphoning off gas. When we would complain to them about this, they would then switch to their other game - declaring a supposed demand for tens of billions of cubic meters of gas (which their industry and population could in no way consume). We would supply them these volumes at knockdown prices as brothers, and then they would proceed to sell it at European market rates on to Europe.

2) For 25 years they played a cat and mouse game with us regarding the Black Sea Fleet. One day, they are fine with us staying there, and the next they change their mind. Prior agreements notwithstanding.

3) Actively tried to promote a glorious narrative around Stepan Bandera, fully realizing that to us, this was as if the Germans tried to rehabilitate Dr. Mengele.

4) Sneered at all our attempts to build a common labor and customs sphere. Called us, the Belarusian, Armenians, Kazakhs, Kyrgyz, Tajiks, and Uzbeks a bunch of monkeys - as they merrily skipped along on their supposed path to the EU. This is while they knew that so many of our industries (including our military industrial complex) were critically dependent on plants operating in Ukraine.

5) Called us historic imposters, and claimed that the heritage of Rus belongs to them. This is like the Belgians claiming they are the real France, while France itself is a mongrel country synthetically created.

No, Michael. These b!tches (editorial - of course I don't mean Ukrainian children and other innocents), deserve every single thing coming their way.

We have a Russian saying: you like to ride the sled, then you must also enjoy hauling it up the mountain.
Novichok 4 | 7,826
24 Aug 2023 #62
getting personal is not fine.

Insulting Bobko with "russia" and "r*SS*a" imbecilisms is exactly what in your opinion?

No justification for Russia's war against Ukraine.

The proof that your post was written by a typical Civics 101 Euro bootlicker is what is not included in it.
If you ask, I will tell you what is missing.
Alien 20 | 4,930
25 Aug 2023 #63
Insulting Bobko with "russia"

Bobko doesn't complain, which means he's used to much worse phrases.
Bobko 25 | 1,995
25 Aug 2023 #64
Bobko doesn't complain

As the history of my posts on this forum should show, these are the only things that can get under my skin in re: to my being Russian:

1) "All your women are wh0res"

2) "Hehehe, we stole all your money!"

3) "Fekk your ancestors that died liberating Europe"

No matter how hard I try, these three things - when brought up - inevitably p!ss me off.

Things that affect me, approximately to the same extent as chamomile tea cures pancreatic cancer:

1) "Russians be stealing washing machines"

2) Being called an Udmurt, Ugro-Finn, Moksha, Buryat, Rusnya, Muscovite, Katsap, Mongol, Orc, Hun, etc...

3) "You should be deported"

4) "You will never be Western"

5) "Russians are slaves"
Tacitus 2 | 1,377
25 Aug 2023 #65
died liberating Europe

And then immediately subjugated it for another 45 years. Not recognizing this is part of the Russian tragedy.

of gravity, and good neighborliness

Coming from a Russian POV that is almost satire. Leaving wverything else out, Russia is currently building new statues for Stalin. They have really no right whatsoever to lecture Ukrainians about Bandera while they worship a man who is responsible for the Holodomor and other atrocities that killed millions of Ukrainians.
Bobko 25 | 1,995
25 Aug 2023 #66
building new statues for Stalin

No argument with you there. I absolutely detest the return of Stalin these past few years.

However, I still don't agree with people that draw a parallel between him and Hitler, or him and Mao.
Paulina 16 | 4,356
25 Aug 2023 #67
And then immediately subjugated it for another 45 years. Not recognizing this is part of the Russian tragedy.

Yes, they're not being taught at school about this.

However, I still don't agree with people that draw a parallel between him and Hitler, or him and Mao.

Why?
Novichok 4 | 7,826
25 Aug 2023 #68
Bobko doesn't complain, which means he's used to much worse phrases.

I am objecting to the attempts to insult him and Velund. How immune both of them are is irrelevant.
If misspelling "Russia" is not an attempt to insult them and 150 million other Russians, what is the purpose?
Alien 20 | 4,930
25 Aug 2023 #69
what is the purpose

The matter is very simple, each country belonging to the great family of nations is written with a capital letter. However, if a country breaks out of this family in such a drastic way, I allow myself to write it in lower case, even though it is ungrammatical. The peace will come back, the capital letter will come back.
Novichok 4 | 7,826
25 Aug 2023 #70
ach country belonging to the great family of nations is written with a capital letter.

Who attacked Poland? Was it Germany or germany? Not a single Pole ever lowercased "Germany" and god knows we had 6,000,000 reasons.

Did Germany belong to the "great family of nations" then?

Cut the crap.
Paulina 16 | 4,356
25 Aug 2023 #71
Did Germany belong to the "great family of nations" then?

But we're not living "then", we're living now. And Germany improved greatly since "then". So we have no reason to write "germany" now.
Paulina 16 | 4,356
25 Aug 2023 #72
@Novichok, and, anyway, the Putinist camp on PF has called Ukrainians "Nazis", "banderists" and "ukrops" since the very beginning and they've denied Ukraine the right to even exist as a state, so you can f*ck off with your hypocrisy.

One of the reasons why I personally write "RuSSia" is exactly that - it's my response to the RuSSian lying anti-Ukrainian propaganda about Ukrainians (calling them "Nazis").
Novichok 4 | 7,826
25 Aug 2023 #73
So we have no reason to write "germany" now

Yes, you do when you write about Germany then.
Paulina 16 | 4,356
25 Aug 2023 #74
@Novichok, when we write about Germany "then", we write "Nazi Germany" or "Third Reich" - both are enough of an insult in itself. I don't know about the US, but in Europe calling someone a "Nazi" is the ultimate insult.

Also, I personally use a capital letter when writing about RuSSia - I just add two more: "SS" :)

So, Novichok, why haven't you complained and whined so far about the Putinist camp calling Ukrainians names and denying them the right to have their own country, you useless hypocrite?
Novichok 4 | 7,826
25 Aug 2023 #75
I just add two more: "SS" :)

With that "SS" you are insulting 6 million Jews who died horrible deaths and knew what the SS was like before they took their last breath.

SS applies to current Russia as KK aplies to Amerikka.

why haven't you complained and whined so far about the Putinist camp calling Ukrainians names

Because I like them and I don't like you and other Russophobes.
BTW, I don't "complain" or "whine". That's what chicks do. I swear and insult.
Paulina 16 | 4,356
25 Aug 2023 #76
With that "SS" you are insulting 6 million Jews

That's not my intention, and, anyway, RuSSians do that more so with calling Ukrainians actual "Nazis" and not just changing two letters in a word. And they started it, so go complain to them first.

Because I like them and I don't like you and other Russophobes.

So you are a hypocrite and I don't care what you think about me writing "RuSSia" and others writing "russia".

BTW, I don't "complain" or "whine".

That's exactly what you're doing and on regular basis at that! lol
Michael2 - | 10
25 Aug 2023 #77
The former pro-Russian president of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovich conducted negotiations with the EU about Ukraine's Association with the EU from 2010 to November 2013 without any commitment to implementing reforms advocated by the EU. Then in early November 2013 Yanukovich refused to sign the Association Agreement between the EU and Ukraine because of Russian president Putin's pressure on Yanukovich to integrate (unite) Ukraine and Russia. Putin offered 3 billion dollar assistance to Ukraine if Yanukovich agreed to Ukraine's integration with Russia. Finally Yanukovich yielded to Putin and decided to sell out Ukraine to Russia. So contrary to his earlier commitments in terms of the Association Agreement, Yanukovich decided to betray the Ukrainian nation and the EU. Consequently, he fully deserved to be impeached for his treason to eliminate Ukraine's sovereignty by attempting to unite Ukraine with Russia and thus to help Russia establish Russian rule over Ukraine.

Therefore, demonstrations by pro-European political forces broke out in Ukraine demanding that Yanukovich must sign the Association Agreement between Ukraine and the EU, or resign from his post. On Putin's pressure Yanukovich decided to use his loyal security police to quell the demonstration (Euromaidan) by force in Kyiv, the capital of Ukraine. Most likely, Russian secret agents dressed in civilian clothes started shooting at the security police, as few demonstrators had guns and were certainly outgunned by the police and had nothing to gain by provoking shooting.

Anyway, the police used excessive firepower against the demonstrators killing over 100 demonstrators in Kyiv, the capital of Ukraine, but ultimately the demonstrators succeeded in removing Yanukovich from power as he fled to his real boss in Russia in the Kremlin to evade prosecution for his crimes. Therefore, there was no coup d'etat against Yanukovich as he had given a criminal order to his security police chiefs to shoot at demonstrators. So his criminal rule could no longer be tolerated by the Ukrainian nation. Russia had no right to interfere in Ukraine's internal affairs, trying to impose Russia's will on Ukraine by force on Euromaidan and then through a war.
Bobko 25 | 1,995
25 Aug 2023 #78
@Michael2

I'm quite convinced this Michael2, and the other Olena are bots.

They never engage with anything, which means that there isn't anyone on the other side with enough functioning neurons, to provide timely replies.

I must have been doing such a good job on the forum, that some algorithm at the SBU picked up on it.

However, since myself and Velund are such expert jousters, the Ukrainian information warriors decided to counter us with huge walls of text.

Edit: Here let me test my theory.

Hey Michael2, you stupid fat hohol - I f*cked your banderite grandpa in the as$.
Novichok 4 | 7,826
25 Aug 2023 #79
My method is more PG13...Hey, Michael2, what is the square root of 121?

Now I have a problem, Bobko...How do I erase that image?
Bobko 25 | 1,995
25 Aug 2023 #80
How do I erase that image?

Apologies, sir.
Novichok 4 | 7,826
25 Aug 2023 #81
Now I have to look up daily mail for some T&A to undo the damage.
Michael2 - | 10
26 Aug 2023 #82
Please raise the issue of recent and current Russian crimes against people in Ukraine and the issue of the necessity to establish the special International Tribunal on Russian crimes in Ukraine.

Russian crimes in Ukraine have been committed in Crimea and in Donbas from early 2014 until now, and in many other regions of Ukraine by Russian troops waging a full scale war against Ukraine since February 24, 2022.

Both Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union (Russian Communist Empire) sought world domination and were responsible for the outbreak of the Second World War on September 1,1939 as they launched their joint invasion of Poland after they divided up Europe between themselves and occupied European countries in accordance with the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact signed on August 23, 1939.

Nazi Germans and Communist Russians committed the biggest crimes in the 20th century against so many nations.

Please raise the issue of the necessity to set up a future Nuremberg 2 Tribunal on Soviet Russian communist crimes against so many nations from 1917 to 1991 worldwide that a number of researchers claim surpass Nazi German crimes. Russia must pay financial and material compensation to a large number of nations - victims of Russian crimes.

Do not forget that the Soviet Union (Communist Russian Empire) installed communism in a number of countries outside the Soviet Union after 1945 (in Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, East Germany, etc.), and the population of those countries suffered from communist oppression for 45 years until 1990.

It's still unknown how many millions of people in those countries were victims of communist crimes from 1945 to 1990, and how many millions of people of various nationalities were victims of the communist regime in the Soviet Union, in particular in Ukraine (man-made famines such as the Great Famine of 1933 in Ukraine as a result of which between 4 and 7 million people died in Ukraine) , political executions, purges, terror, deportations, forced labour camps, political prisons, the Chornobyl atomic power plant accident in 1986 in Ukraine as a result of criminal neglect of safety, etc.).

The losses and suffering of so many nations through Russia's fault because of Russian historical imperialism must be known in relevant details by the public worldwide from new publications still to come on those issues.
Novichok 4 | 7,826
26 Aug 2023 #83
Hey, Michael, how much is 0 divided by 0?
Alien 20 | 4,930
27 Aug 2023 #84
The losses and suffering of so many nations through Russia's fault because of Russian historical imperialism must be known in relevant details by the public worldwide from new publications still to come on those issues.

You write well. Keep writing like this.
jon357 74 | 22,000
27 Aug 2023 #85
Russian historical imperialism must be known in relevant details by the public worldwide

Yes, this is very clearly true, however there is a key point relating to the current war that makes it different to previous r*SSian behaviour.

Things can be filmed and put online for the world to see in minutes. Satellite imagery, drone footage, film made in the immediate aftermath of atrocities. It is much harder for them to hide, deny, or attempt to obfuscate.
Ironside 53 | 12,413
27 Aug 2023 #86
to be honest Russian philosophy seems a lot like Citizen Sade's philosophy.
Bobko 25 | 1,995
27 Aug 2023 #87
Please raise the issue of recent and current Russian crimes

Hahaha! The bot wants Paulina and Co. to do even more.

Please raise the issue of the necessity to set up a future Nuremberg 2 Tribunal

Oh boy... You seem to be doing a good job at raising these issues yourself.

Typical lazy hohol behavior.

Hey Michael2, you stupid fat hohol - Probably I'm your dad and granddad at once - because I managed to f*ck both your banderite grandma and your degradant mum.

When you want, you can really write some elegant prose, Velund.
amiga500 4 | 1,537
27 Aug 2023 #88
@bobko
prove that your worth on this forum is better than the bot.
1 admit all russian women are ****** that need polish cock.
2 kill yourself.
Ironside 53 | 12,413
27 Aug 2023 #89
to my being Russian:

here another one, after some thinking I came to the conclusion that the best way to describe Russia and Rusian mentality is to assume that they - broadlly speaking, consciouslly or not, follow worldview professed by Citizen Sade, known as markize de Sade.
Bobko 25 | 1,995
27 Aug 2023 #90
kill yourself.

You must be a lot of fun at parties.

I don't need to be better or worse than a Ukrainian bot. However, it's certainly true that Michael2 still manages to generate more readable content than you.


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