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The "Anglicization" of Europe


TheOther 5 | 3,711
28 Aug 2019 #31
Is there anything you dont hate or complain about?

I can't stand idiot PolAms. Did I mention that already? LOL!
Ironside 50 | 10,814
28 Aug 2019 #32
should have refused him service for not speaking Polish.

absolutly
pawian 176 | 13,997
28 Aug 2019 #33
That`s a sick attitude, against Polish traditions. You should be ashamed of yourself. .
TheOther 5 | 3,711
28 Aug 2019 #34
She could've pretended not to understand, but instead she was being nice and tried to help. Now imagine you go out of your way like that, and the guy in front of you starts complaining about your English.
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,185
28 Aug 2019 #35
she had to do nothing,

She had to do what? If you want to comment, quote enough, not three words.

you suggest the lady behind the counter should have refused him service

That lady saw my total desperation and was super nice to me, for which I was more than grateful then and I am still grateful now.

No, I didn't switch to English because I wanted to be a wiseguy. I did it because I was at the end of my rope.
OP Lyzko 29 | 7,108
28 Aug 2019 #36
I'd be the first to admit that a veritable host of eager, friendly Europeans DEFINITELY enjoy
speaking English with foreigners!!

The issue is, does their enthusiasm keep pace with or does it outpace their actual competence
in the language?

Wanting to do or be doesn't always necessarily mean that someone is any good at it.
Only, let's give 'em brownie points for trying.

Condescension cuts both ways:-)
pawian 176 | 13,997
28 Aug 2019 #37
that a veritable host of eager, friendly Europeans DEFINITELY enjoy speaking English with foreigners!!

But I heard that whenever French waiters realise they are serving the British, they forget their English immediately. Rude guys.
TheOther 5 | 3,711
28 Aug 2019 #38
Wanting to do or be doesn't always necessarily mean that someone is any good at it.

Again: be happy that they are making the effort to talk to you in English. They might as well just ignore you or pretend not to understand.
OP Lyzko 29 | 7,108
28 Aug 2019 #39
However again, is either extreme really that much more acceptable?
Ziemowit 13 | 4,182
28 Aug 2019 #40
But the situation was at the railway station

I would not trust RM in everything he says. Sometimes he tells the truth, but very often he makes things up ...
Ziemowit 13 | 4,182
28 Aug 2019 #42
I can name two hundred and two, but who cares?
Miloslaw 8 | 2,426
28 Aug 2019 #43
The bulk of Europeans, particularly younger Europeans, use English in a sloppy manner.

Not always true, but even if it was, so what?
English rules..... no competition...... :-)
OP Lyzko 29 | 7,108
28 Aug 2019 #44
Milo, do you want a workman to hang your paintings crooked, yet still hanging rather than straight, under the excuse of,
"But sir, we did put the paintings on your wall, didn't we?"

Come on, do the job right or don't bother doing it at all!! At least make an attempt to TRY to do it correctly.

The stench of chronic and careless incompetence can drive any thinking person to distraction.
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,185
28 Aug 2019 #45
I can name two hundred and two, but who cares?

If nobody cares, why did you even mention it and, effectively, call me a liar?
I will settle for two. It should be effortless to you.
Miloslaw 8 | 2,426
28 Aug 2019 #46
Milo, do you want a workman to hang your paintings crooked

I just don't even see the point you are trying and failing to make.
English is a very forgiving language, probably the most forgiving, which is why it has been so successful.
Bad English works!!!
Bad French and Polish do not work.....German is more like English.....
OP Lyzko 29 | 7,108
28 Aug 2019 #47
As neither of us would forgive somebody murdering our loved one, why forgive a growing societal trend which murders our mother tongue on a daily basis, and with dramatic regularity?? In my book, that's too forgiving, sir!

There's no reason, except for universal laziness. As you might also recall, laziness is considered to be a sin in the Bible:-)
Miloslaw 8 | 2,426
28 Aug 2019 #48
why forgive a growing societal trend which murders our mother tongue on a daily basis

Because I hear it every day.
From Poles,Romanians,Bulgarians,Portuguese,Sri Lankans,Indians and the rest!
Yeah, it does **** me off sometimes, but in the main, we understand each other.
Isn't communication the most important thing here?
And why English has been such a success?
OP Lyzko 29 | 7,108
28 Aug 2019 #49
Success is all relative, pal! Depends on your definition.

Sort of like "getting ahead". Sell your conscience, barter your soul, then it's always easy once
one forgets about the rules. If so, then why bother living, if life itself means nothing?
Miloslaw 8 | 2,426
28 Aug 2019 #50
one forgets about the rules

That is what you don't understand.
There are no rules.......languages just don't work that way......
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,185
28 Aug 2019 #51
When I see POLICE on the shields of the Chinese cops, I know English is winning. When I see English at the airports almost everywhere, I know English is winning.

In Poland, there are only two kinds of signs in the malls: English and very few Polish. From those signs I wouldn't even know that I left the US.
Miloslaw 8 | 2,426
28 Aug 2019 #52
When I see English at the airports almost everywhere, I know English is winning

Not just winning Rich, it's over....English is the world language now.
OP Lyzko 29 | 7,108
28 Aug 2019 #53
Oh, yes they do Milo! Grammar might well be an abstract construct, but rules there are aplenty.

Don't project your own indolence onto language, simply because perhaps you are too lazy to apply yourself:-)
Please realize that I LOVE the English language which is why I hate to hear or see it mutilated. at the same time rewarded, by no-nothings who never even graduated kindergarten.
Joker 2 | 1,290
28 Aug 2019 #54
I can't stand idiot PolAms

We can't stand expat Aussies, thats for sure. Why do you come on a Polish forum anyway, woggie?

be happy that they are making the effort to talk to you in English

Jak to jest?????
TheOther 5 | 3,711
28 Aug 2019 #55
And why English has been such a success?

The British Empire and the outcome of WW1 and WW2 might have something to do with it, don't you think?

We can't stand expat Aussies

"We" as in idiot Chicago PolAms? Glad to hear that.
OP Lyzko 29 | 7,108
28 Aug 2019 #56
Apropos having the last word, I was in Denmark as a young grad student and remember clearly walking into a local pub somewhere in Copenhagen, "Den lille kro", if memory serves me right. At the tap dispensing area I saw a sign which caused me some amusement as an English native speaker, PLEASE DON'T HAVE CHILDREN AT THE BAR! I went over to the bar keep and, in normal English, (and not a mock Danish accent!), commented that maybe a hospital would be a more sensible place for same.

The gentleman, a Danish man of about fifty, was clearly annoyed and was unable to see the humor in the situation.
What became of the land of Victor Borge?
:-)
Cargo pants 2 | 641
29 Aug 2019 #57
I LOVE the English language which is why I hate to hear or see it mutilated

If you did really care then you would be doing something about it, not coming to a random forum and bragging about it.Fugging weasle.
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,185
29 Aug 2019 #58
Lyzko, now I am really curious how you are going to react to a stupid post like that. I mean being a perfect gentleman you are.
OP Lyzko 29 | 7,108
29 Aug 2019 #59
Answer to your question by way of a quote from the movie "The Fountainhead" :

Toohey: Mr. Rorke, I want you to tell me in no uncertain terms exactly what you think of me!

Rorke: But that's just it, Mr. Toohey, I don't think of you.
pawian 176 | 13,997
29 Aug 2019 #60
Please realize that I LOVE the English language which is why I hate to hear or see it mutilated.

Yes, I also dislike when primitives maul the language. Yes, I have observed the vulgarisation of the English lagnuage for many years. When I learnt about snakes as a teenager, they were venomous and I still use it. Who the fekk started using poisonous? it is a completely different meaning.

We can't stand expat Aussies, thats for sure. Why do you come on a Polish forum anyway, woggie?

How about leaving The Other alone and taking care of yourself? Your contribution to the PF is zero, while the Other`s is real and informative. Huh? Ever though about it?

I have just caught myself being involved personally in the vulgarisation of the language.
In another thread talking about countable holes I said:Less and less, instead of fewer and fewer, as I was taught a few decades ago.

Shame on me. But I have seen it used so many times with countable nouns that I follow the example spontaneously now.


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