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Unfulfilled promises by PiS

delphiandomine 88 | 18,430
5 Jan 2021 #91
I wouldn't say that they have any kind of cohesive right-wing ideology at all.

They absolutely don't. There's really not much difference between them and the PZPR, even down to the characteristic arrogance and constant boasting while criticising the West at every opportunity.

You only have to look at the inability to distribute vaccines to see that they haven't got a clue.
Ziemowit 14 | 4,412
5 Jan 2021 #92
being nasty and unpleasant for the sake of being nasty and unpleasant....)

They are sinking all the time ... no doubt about it. But His Majesty's Opposition is none the better at all.

Szymon Hołwnia and his political group is - when you scrape off the cover - nothing more than PO really. So all in all, there are no bright political perspectives for Poland in the near future.

Even the dreams of an Intermarium have somehow faded away recently; PiS don't claim any reparations from Germany as it did quite a little while ago; and what is the worst thing of all (this point is being addressed to Crow in particular), recent genetic studies show that the Germans have more of Sarmatian blood in them than the Polish. Horror!
gumishu 13 | 6,100
5 Jan 2021 #93
nothing more than PO really

at least Ziemowit realizes this
Ironside 51 | 11,299
5 Jan 2021 #94
Why they are PO? Just because Holownia is anther clown like so many PO figures doesn't mean that they are PO rather SCiP spathic clowns in Politicks
jon357 72 | 21,201
18 Feb 2021 #95
Szydło, promised that PIS won`t bring in police against demonstrators and protesters, ...... because we respect dialogue, fredom and difference of opinion.

Have you seen the rows of police in Zoliborz some nights. More cops than residents. It's back to the PiSRL sadly
mafketis 35 | 11,551
28 Feb 2021 #97
Maybe for someone who isn't in Poland....
Lenka 4 | 3,189
28 Feb 2021 #98
For someone who doesn't have brain
OP pawian 204 | 21,119
5 Apr 2021 #99
Have you heard PiS is going to announce another New Deal soon? Funny - more than half old promises unfulfilled but they are thinking of new ones.
PolAmKrakow 2 | 1,910
6 Apr 2021 #100
Yes. The "new" New Deal is supposed to contain eliminating taxes for the lowest wage earners, raising the tax threshold for wages, and a whole lot more cash giveaways to "the people". This, after going into debt with the pandemic, destroying the economy needlessly, and bankrupting hundreds of thousands of people and business.

They cant even understand the lowest wage earners are predominantly in the service industry, and other small business which PiS has destroyed. The New Deal, same as the Old Deal. Much ado about doing nothing that will work.
OP pawian 204 | 21,119
6 Apr 2021 #101
Yes,. it is going to erode Poland`s finances even more. But low wage earners will be happy. Initially - until it backfires at them one day.
amiga500 3 | 1,302
6 Apr 2021 #102
Much ado about doing nothing that will work.

And what is your dumb neolib solution? tax free threshold starting at 300k, cutting to the bone social welfare spending and thus consumption and millions for businesses such as yours. ain't happening jack! If you don't like it move to china where there is no social welfare and your brand of ruthless capitalism will be widely accepted.

Yes,. it is going to erode Poland`s finances even more.

Funny how fake leftwingers in poland are against actual policies that help the working class, but instead all about virtue signalling on identity politics issues. Never mind the fact that the tax free threshhold will help fellow teachers working in the public system. You sir are a class traitor.
OP pawian 204 | 21,119
6 Apr 2021 #103
fake leftwingers

So decide at last if I am a true or fake leftwinger. :):):)

You sir are a class traitor.

By no means. When economy is concerned, I have always been conservative. I would support Korwin and his circles if they weren`t such nuts with other ideologies.
amiga500 3 | 1,302
6 Apr 2021 #104
When economy is concerned, I have always been conservative

Yes anyone who does not believe in the right of a child not to go hungry but believes in the right of a child to be forced to attend drag queen story time is not leftwing at all. You're some sort of neo-liberal deviant really. Don't worry there is a faction of konfedercja that would suit you to a T
PolAmKrakow 2 | 1,910
6 Apr 2021 #105
But once again you fail to see the picture of the economy and what is really happening here. Nearly everyone in the service industry is out of work, no tax savings is going to help them. Sure it will help Uber eats drivers, Glovo drives and similar others, but thats not enough.

I have never asked for a tax break personally. I don't mind paying 32% personally. This is about the economy, not about anything else. Which other than siphoning billions from the EU annd wasting a ton of money, what economic gains has PiS brought independently? ZERO.

More and more PiS scandals as a wife of one of JK's best friends got a position at Orlen and two other company's making tens of thousands a month and she isn't qualified to turn on a laptop.
amiga500 3 | 1,302
6 Apr 2021 #106
Nearly everyone in the service industry is out of work,

I am sure the New Deal will include stimulus for new small business to be formed and replace the ones that had to shut. The conditions should be much improved in a few months.
PolAmKrakow 2 | 1,910
6 Apr 2021 #107
You should go into comedy after that. Clearly you have no clue about the true state of affairs here. There is no stimulus planned for business other than the money the EU is sending and 95% of that has been claimed by industry and PiS cronies.

When tax breaks are given to the lowest earners, those making lets say 3000 pln per month, maybe even 5000 pln, and 70% of those people who could have benefited from such action last summer, or before, but those people are now unemployed, and the business is gone, who benefits then? If 30% of the people in that group get the benefit, the savings, is not enough to make an economic impact on society as a whole. Sure it will buy a few more loaves of bread, but it wont be enough to raise anyone out of poverty. It is a populist buying votes tactic, nothing more.
amiga500 3 | 1,302
6 Apr 2021 #108
There is no stimulus planned for business

Both of us don't know what will be in the New Deal apart from the leaks today about the 30k tax free and expansion to 500+. Let's wait till the budget.

As an aside you keep complaining about paying ZUS and increasing taxes. Are you even aware that the vast majority of businesses can apply for a ZUS exemption?. Or all the other help to business available ? United Right is spending 5 billion złoty in march to support business and no it is not just going to PiS big firms. Considering the unemployment rate is 6.5 percent doesn't seem to support your story of economic apocalypse.
PolAmKrakow 2 | 1,910
6 Apr 2021 #109
I have no problem paying my ZUS and don't need an exemption. As I said my business is up 600% year on year. I have a problem with the way ZUS is designed. It is a business killer, and encourages under the table cash payments instead of salary and contracts.

The unemployment rate is only calculated on those people who file for unemployment benefits and protection. It does not account for business closures. It does not account for bankruptcy, or for those who were never legally employed on the books who no longer have their jobs. Most recent projections accounting for all of those items are actually well over 10% and likely closer to 15%.

5 billion is nothing. 95% went to industry and large business. This is a fact. This is not make believe PiS fantasy.

This is where I have a problem with your PiS BS. It is these kinds of false narratives that lead uneducated people to believe things are ok when they are not. It is these kinds of false narratives that perpetuate the collapse of freedoms, and economic growth. That is irresponsible. It is sickening to think anyone would actually believe these things and make life decisions based on them, but they do.

These are not "leaks today" the "New Deal" has been a political topic since August, but got derailed again when PiS had to try to cover up how they blew the COVID pandemic second wave preparation. When they said "we defeated the virus" I laughed. Intelligent people around the world laughed. PiS have placed this country in danger by their ineffectiveness and their incompetence.
gumishu 13 | 6,100
6 Apr 2021 #110
PiS have placed this country in danger by their ineffectiveness and their incompetence.

do you believe any of the oppostion would fare better? all they do is raise shitstorm after shitstorm
Strzelec35 36 | 959
6 Apr 2021 #111
so you would rather have people starve and not ven have enough for bread than some business not going down?
amiga500 3 | 1,302
6 Apr 2021 #112
It is sickening to think anyone would actually believe these things

What is sickening is some FOB (Fresh of the Boat) pontificating about Poland when he has no idea.
I'll make some educated guesses here, you had no idea about Polish politics before you moved there, As usual Americans like you have not lived in another country before you moved there. (I have lived and worked in five) You don't know what is going on in other countries regarding the Coronavirus and economics. Everything you attribute to PiS , because of your lack of knowledge is also partially part of the post communist pathology. All the economic problems due to the coronavirus also happened in other countries. Yet it's all PiS fault because somehow they shouldn't have introduced lockdowns and somehow reformed the hospital system in six months. Funny how French hospitals are also under the same sort of pressure as Poland.

. Even in Australia where we have had massive economic stimulus and only a six week lockdown many retail shops have closed .If united right did not introduce lockdowns you would be screaming about the hospitals being overwhelmed.

A tax free threshold for the first 30k is an basic economic policy that both left and right would support in any other country, apart from those with PiS Derangement Syndrome. Yet you somehow dismiss it because it will not help those recently unemployed, But if united right increased unemployment benefits you would say its helping the unproductive and drunks and will bankrupt the economy. I'm surprised you did not say that the 30k threshold will be disaster because your friends will cheat the system. Where is your source that 95 percent of tarcza is going to big business? Nothing is good enough for you. You don't know what is going on and rely on your family to tell you how to think politically.
Ziemowit 14 | 4,412
6 Apr 2021 #113
at least Ziemowit realizes this

Szymon Hołownia (Polska 2050) is still gaining in the polls, whereas differences within the United Right deepen all the time. JK has just said he cannot exclude an election in autumn ...
amiga500 3 | 1,302
6 Apr 2021 #114
If 30% of the people in that group get the benefit...It is a populist buying votes tactic

You are basically saying that 70 percent of low income earners are unemployed, but at the same time helping 30 percent is a 'populist measure' Look up what populist means. Are you senile or just dumb?
Strzelec35 36 | 959
7 Apr 2021 #115
polkrakow dude should listen to what she says at 12:27 in about giving money to the poor or feeding the hungry as she explains it "because thats how it is" talking about how it is in Honduras and Poland and shet:

dont you guys agree? I man can youa rgue with her argument: "because thats how it is"? then sh goes on those people have no other choices but to be violent to have basic needs met. do you believe her? do u guys believe her? she also claims infrastructure jobs or any job even mindless snothing job or turning a barn into solar panel will create wealth. again, do you guys buy it or what do you buy or not buy that she says?

I also dont get how she compares el Salvador and Honduras to the us saying us could become a failed state? I see the comparison to Poland much more likely of becoming such a failed state or am i the only one her guys? at least as compared to the us becoming one like she claims? but first lets fiwcuss enr assertion that its human nature to be violent and not just in non violent societies hch she doesn't claim.
PolAmKrakow 2 | 1,910
7 Apr 2021 #116
Continuing to give money to the same groups of people does not help the country. I have lived in 3 countries, and own business in each one.

PiS is in charge. They are communists really. In case you dont know or cant read todays news, the hospitals are overwhelmed because PiS did not prepare for the second wave the rest of the world was talking about. They said they defeated the virus.

If PiS did anything effective I would give them credit for it. This is your problem, its all PiS positive or its not. PO was no better. I don't support either. I am not some stupid party politics ideologist. I am a realist. As a realist, PiS has mishandled everything thrown their way. They are a Polish disaster.
amiga500 3 | 1,302
7 Apr 2021 #117
the hospitals are overwhelmed because PiS did not prepare

They are not overwhelmed, the hospital system is overwhelmed when there are no more ventilators and ICU space and patients are being triaged as who gets care. This is not happening, if/before that happens there will be a strict lockdown. If there are people dying of coronavirus in hospital corridors in the future I will be the first to condemm PiS. The goverment prepared for the second wave just as well or badly as any other European nation.

There will be tax cuts for business in the new deal so its not just social welfare measures. The factions are just ironing out their differences over EU money. be patient and be prepared to praise united right once the budget comes out.
PolAmKrakow 2 | 1,910
7 Apr 2021 #118
They are almost out of ventilators. It was on the news last night. This is information you get when you live here. Hospitals in rural communities are now being converted for COVID, on the news last night. Polsat, not TVN or TVP.

You are right PiS prepared just as badly as the rest of Europe, at a minimum. Evidence points to a lot worse.

If PiS includes business tax cuts, what business gets them? When you cut business taxes, cut personal taxes, reduce the tax paying base, who exactly pays for everything? Inflation and devaluing the currency is what happens. This is not what makes a country strong. Cutting and spending does not work, its the fastest route to financial suicide.

People are beginning to report that 337 companies out of more than 40 thousand companies were given "shield" money from PiS. I would call this a broken promise.
Novichok 4 | 7,139
8 Apr 2021 #119
PO was no better. I don't support either.

You just summed up what "democracies" are all about with all the good people in the private sector and the very worst, government teachers included, "serving" as government parasites.

We have the same exact situation here where the naive believe that the two parties are real opposition parties and that the elections matter. Trump wouldn't play in this farce and that is why he had to be destroyed.
PolAmKrakow 2 | 1,910
8 Apr 2021 #120
Unfortunately I still pay taxes there too! lol There are some centrists. I am starting to see Gowin as someone who could get some things done here.

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