Thousands of Polish women attend Czarny Piątek rally in Warsaw

I am. That's why I have extended an invitation to the posters here to articulate what exactly they would like to see in this respect by proposing their own abortion laws that would be acceptable to a compelling majority of Poles. Lenka was the only one who actually did it.

I would also expect you and everyone else to condemn any form of late-term abortions without a medical necessity. I would even accept "fetus" deformities as a valid reason and, of course, a mother's physical health. What I never want to hear is the bs how she feels about staying pregnant in week 20. Tough s**t. Tool late to have a change of mind because the bum left.

The compromise which had prevailed till recently had been an acceptable solution by most Poles. Rape, insect, fetal defects, risk to woman`s health. The agreement had lasted nearly 30 years until rightards decided to abolish it. They triggered an avalanche which won`t stop until full abortion on demand is legalised coz feminists and ordinary women realised their rights could be diminished further on and won`t stop.

Thank you, PiS.

Wtf why do you want to hear that stuff from.me? Does it matter what some old woman in the UK who nobody listens to anyway thinks?

I agree. Nobody thinks abortion is a 'good' thing. And no woman ever would choose a full.term.abortion as a lifestyle choice. If that were even possible.

All women are feminists by the way iron. It wont do any good to try and divide them in your mind. Kind if reminds me of contemporary attitudes and opinions on 'deserving' and 'undeserving' poor.

I don't care about your opinion, that is correct. I'm not asking you for your opinion thought.
I'm asking about let me quote myself - to make a wholesome, logical and coherent pro-abortion argument. If you can do that kudos to you. We could have agree to disagree then.

I would like to hear that argument that would make things here interesting.
On the other hand if you are unable to make it....

Believe yo me listening to idiots with their lame excuses and opinions going on and on in circles is boring.

Well, are you for controlled level of freedom in abortions or not?

Nope, only 17% of women in the uk describe themslefses as feminists (or was it 37%), Maybe you are not up to date (like being a feminist 30 years ago and todays is not the same thing )

or we can blame media for that.
30 years ago women were fighting to break the chain that chained them do the kitchen sink and to stop men from giving their hide a good whoop with a moppet. Nowadays feminisms is all about buying into some crazy commie sh't and down the rabbit hole of nonsense.

If you claim that a dude with a dick is not a chick you are out!


I think level of IQ and sanity on the PF should be controlled Preferably by me.

Yes it's up to the TERF ti make a stand.

The problem thatI have with abortion being illegal is that desperate women will still seek one.....whether that is a back street abortionist or a dangerous 'home remedy'.

Making it illegal won't make it go away.

I am told that every Monday the flights into Stansted fromIreland are known as 'the abortion express'. Well thats fine if you can pay for private or access the nhs

Thing is, the people influencing and financing these kind of rallies eventually want to have it on-demand, no questions asked, up to basically when the baby is born and potentially even during/after. I agree that Poland's abortion is restrictive. Ultimately though if a women really believes that she couldnt give the kid a good life then it's understandable in a way, a bad choice out of only bad options.

SWERF and TERF sounds like a good dish at the local butch dyke's restaurant

I'll have a large swerf n terf plz. ...

Bottom line: Poland should make abortion available only for extreme cases, not as a remedy for the oops situations or I don't feel like having baby afterthoughts.

Don't want to have a baby, don't screw until you are married, and don't get drunk and stupid with random morons. Don't like those rules, then suffer the consequences.

Your personal opinion on abortion and female morality and "what Poland should do" are utterly fascinating but aren't really the point.

I believe it is proposed that no abortion should be available at all.

Nobody is using abortion as birth control I can assure you.

And when birth defects are brought up I have ask several times, "what percentage of the abortions in Poland are because of serious birth defects and what percentage are performed because irresponsible recreational sex", and have yet to get a solid answer.

Working the night shift again Roz ?

Hard stats to pin down JR.....all of it. One wonders how many abortions are sought because of rape and incest also.
However it's not really the point.

My personal opinion on abortion does not matter but the opinions of millions do. Writing laws for a few extreme cases is bad policy. That's why numbers are critical.

Also...setting up this divide between seeking an abortion after either 'drunken irresponsible sex' or because of 'serious birth defects' is kinda weird tbh. There are many situations between those two extremes. It's all a bit madonna /w.hor* tbh.

Not in the case of legal abortion. Something like 98% due to birth defects.

In Poland it's illegal to have abortion 'just because' so those numbers won't change no matter what law is passed

Thank you Lenka good to get some actual.facts. so this whole idea of the drunken f.cuk and the nasty whorish woman using abortion as birth control is, in relation to Poland,a myth.

Wonder why some men are still sticking so firmly to this false narrative.....

When you exclude the truth out of principle.... all you're left with is false narratives that you cling to harder and harder....

The same is true of the d*ck-in-a-dress* trans crazies who have managed to turn feminism in some countries inside out (so it turns into women taking care of biological mens' emotional needs and sexual desire**) yeah a TERG (trans-excluding reasonable guy). Hopefully needless to say I have nothing against more.... normal trans people who just want to live their lives as well as they can but I detest the psyho-freaks like Jonathan (Jessica) Yaniv who need psychiatric care and not a platform.

*is the term "c()ck in a frock" taken to describe these goons? If not I'd like to copyright it....

**aka the cotton ceiling

So the anti-abortion nuts have to imagine a world where slutty women slut it up and dance into and out of the abortion clinic...

That is the common tactics to belittle and diminish other people, in order to control and keep them in a better check. False macho supremacists are the best in it coz they still daydream the tides can be turned and women will again be subordinate to men like in the past. If they are morons, they firmly believe it, if quite intelligent, they realise it is impossible, coz women already got a foot in the door long ago and now it is wide open in most countries. This or that, they are troubled by immense frustration. resulting in verbal or even physical aggression against women.

Shame on you all! Racowie shall protect woman of Poland!


Let us ask woman of Poland on referendum. Let them speak for themselves. Shall we, as a decent man, be that sane and honest?

I, as a man, wouldn`t like state to order me what to do with my sperm. Let woman decide on their eggs.

Maf, Pawian, Crow xxx

Things are actually very simple. We speak of basic freedom.

Society can intervene only with education, financial incentives, etc. But basic freedom is basic freedom. Non of us wish law to regulate our basic freedom, what should we do with our bodies and life.

Yes, abolishing the compromise the ruling party has provoked the discussion about a referendum and I am sure it will take place in a few years` time. I am very curious about the results - what an awesome riddle! Will Poland become second Ireland?????

First step is not to be like Saudis.

Probably... RC (and misguided supporters) never learn. Most Polish people aren't interested in enshrining catholic dogma into civil law... The best thing any Polish government can do for the church is to limit its activities...

Because it makes it easier. Kind of 'they brought it on themselves etc.


Of course but there are some who still don't see it. In the end it will be the church that pays the price

To be fair, some abortion rights supporters can be pretty cringe.... what kind of sick person hops in time to music to get an abortion?

twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/1328872375404949504

I'm firmly pro-choice (which includes the idea that some women will make bad choices) but I'm also in the "safe, legal and as rare as possible" camp...

Because it happens. The same with "but he left me" when playing house instead of getting married.

Some married men actually leave their wives you know. Years ago in little old-fashioned Ireland, it was so common that there was a welfare payment officially named 'deserted wife's allowance' for those unfortunate women whose husbands decided that they no longer wanted the responsibility of the wife and six children they'd fathered.

I think probably 70 percent of the country is in the safe legal and as rare as possible camp - but as in so many issues these days they don't seem to have a voice - social media and extremist politicians have seen to that