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Success: 120 of Polish Pesa trams for Moscow!

Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
22 Jun 2013 #1
The Bydgoszcz-based Pesa works will be supplying Moscow with 120 ultra-modern tramcars which Wyborcza terms a great success. I'm sure the heart of every PF-er is warmed by such news.

The foothold will enable Pesa's expansion into Russia where many towns are planning to replace their antiquated light rail vehicles.
Anyone know whether Pesa is wholly Polish owned or at least Poles hold a majority stake?
Polson 5 | 1,770
22 Jun 2013 #2

Good news I guess. Poland can export too ;)
delphiandomine 88 | 18,455
22 Jun 2013 #3
PESA and Solaris are doing an absolutely brilliant job at the minute.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
22 Jun 2013 #4
Anyone heard about Mr Kluska and Optima? He was really shafted by the new economics. BTW would you know of any other Polish economic success stories? Pesa and Solaris are obvious. Orlen operates a chain of petrol stations in Germany. Anything else on that order? Supposedly Polish apple pulp is exported world-wide and is found in apple juice produced in many different countries.
22 Jun 2013 #5
Polish fruit is exported worldwide, the producers do not benefit its the buying companies. Most of them are Dutch and they a pittance to the farmers in Poland.
sobieski 107 | 2,128
22 Jun 2013 #6
Anyone know whether Pesa is wholly Polish owned or at least Poles hold a majority stake?

Could you share your "afterthoughts" with us?
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
22 Jun 2013 #7
the producers do not benefit

That's an interesting point. I've heard Polish farmers desptie EU subsidies are nto able to spread their wings. At the so-called famrers' markets in Warsaw at least the vendors get their produce from the same wholesale warehouses Tesco, Carrefour and Leclerk and Biedronka do.

One doesn't see farmer's bringing fruit and vegetables in their little Żuk vans (one time it was furmanki - horse carts) to these markets that much anymore.

TV has in the past shown farmers saying they can't find pickers willing to work for so little to make selling the strawberries proftiable, so they plough over their fields. And yet strawbreries are brough in from North Africa and elsewhere and, despite transport costs, can ber sold at a profit. Could that be a marketing strategy to drive Polish producers out of business? Can anyone explain?


Very positive. I'm sure every other PF-er is also happy to learn Poland is finally making even the smallest mark on the world.
29 Aug 2019 #8

I love Polish trams PESA

The Solaris buses/trolleybuses not so much (the ride is too rough for my taste, the SOR buses/trolleybuses have a smoother ride). But anyway, I like the Pesa Swing trams more than the Skoda ones in Prague and Bratislava. We have Pesa Swing in Sofia, too.
antheads 13 | 366
29 Aug 2019 #9
PiS nationalised Pesa as it was in dire financial straights, they are a world class train and tram manufacturing outfit, they have had sales in germany as well as bulgaria. I hope they get more orders in western markets over the next 10 years. I was thinking of actually convincing them to bid for aussie contracts as bombradier and the spanish outfit have a stranglehold on trams here, and they overcharge like buggery.

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