Success: 120 of Polish Pesa trams for Moscow!

The Bydgoszcz-based Pesa works will be supplying Moscow with 120 ultra-modern tramcars which Wyborcza terms a great success. I'm sure the heart of every PF-er is warmed by such news.

The foothold will enable Pesa's expansion into Russia where many towns are planning to replace their antiquated light rail vehicles.
Anyone know whether Pesa is wholly Polish owned or at least Poles hold a majority stake?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PESA_SA#Corporate_Ownership

Good news I guess. Poland can export too ;)

PESA and Solaris are doing an absolutely brilliant job at the minute.

Anyone heard about Mr Kluska and Optima? He was really shafted by the new economics. BTW would you know of any other Polish economic success stories? Pesa and Solaris are obvious. Orlen operates a chain of petrol stations in Germany. Anything else on that order? Supposedly Polish apple pulp is exported world-wide and is found in apple juice produced in many different countries.

Polish fruit is exported worldwide, the producers do not benefit its the buying companies. Most of them are Dutch and they a pittance to the farmers in Poland.

Could you share your "afterthoughts" with us?

That's an interesting point. I've heard Polish farmers desptie EU subsidies are nto able to spread their wings. At the so-called famrers' markets in Warsaw at least the vendors get their produce from the same wholesale warehouses Tesco, Carrefour and Leclerk and Biedronka do.

One doesn't see farmer's bringing fruit and vegetables in their little Żuk vans (one time it was furmanki - horse carts) to these markets that much anymore.

TV has in the past shown farmers saying they can't find pickers willing to work for so little to make selling the strawberries proftiable, so they plough over their fields. And yet strawbreries are brough in from North Africa and elsewhere and, despite transport costs, can ber sold at a profit. Could that be a marketing strategy to drive Polish producers out of business? Can anyone explain?


Very positive. I'm sure every other PF-er is also happy to learn Poland is finally making even the smallest mark on the world.

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I love Polish trams PESA

The Solaris buses/trolleybuses not so much (the ride is too rough for my taste, the SOR buses/trolleybuses have a smoother ride). But anyway, I like the Pesa Swing trams more than the Skoda ones in Prague and Bratislava. We have Pesa Swing in Sofia, too.

PiS nationalised Pesa as it was in dire financial straights, they are a world class train and tram manufacturing outfit, they have had sales in germany as well as bulgaria. I hope they get more orders in western markets over the next 10 years. I was thinking of actually convincing them to bid for aussie contracts as bombradier and the spanish outfit have a stranglehold on trams here, and they overcharge like buggery.

Does Pesa still exist?

Alive and kicking and still delivering trains and trams to Poland and abroad...

m.facebook.com/PESAbydgoszcz

They even sold trains to your home country of Germany.

That's good, Solaris buses also run in Germany.

The renowned PESA Link train has been purchased by both Deutsche Bahn and the open access operator Niederbarnimer Eisenbahn.

what to do? we need to sell advanced products to our less technically debeloped neighbors; what are friends for?

Excellent. Does the manufacturer still belong to the people?

It was re-nationalised by PiS I believe

For all their faults, they do get some things right.

Good luck to PESA, may they sell more and more.

yes, that was the time when Russia seemed a normal country. Normal compared to its crazy past, of course.

However, these times have come to an end. Now, Poles won`t buy anything from Russians for the next 30 years. And vice versa.