Polish-Russian war? Drones entering Polish airspace.

Your mum's liberal.


But the rocket that killed two farmers in Przewodów was Ukrainian after all and not Russian as everyone thought at first.


It's a possibility.


It looks like it. But it won't hurt to double-check, just in case.

Tusk said that many of those drones came from Belarus, so it seems doubtful. But we can all just wait for the results of the investigation.


Yeah, I agree. Seems very doubtful he would do it on his own. It's not really Belarus' war anyway, RuSSia dragged it into it after all, so why Lukashenko would do that...

Took our local freethinker big brains only a few hours since this morning to come up with the wonderful conundrum of the drone situation

1. drones aren't real
2. if they are real, they're probably Ukrainian

It was obviously an accident, just as falling out of the window at 1st floor is a typical srus accident.

r*SSia was however entirely to blame.

As with this.

Well.. what if the US actually wants to go ahead with the war; they could work with Ukraine to make it happen and have a good excuse for NATO to join the war. Just like they did with the Pearl Harbour, 9/11 and others.

Surely you aren't trying to suggest that they were 'false flag' operations?

That is scraping the bottom of the barrel.


They don't get to choose.

The US with Trump at the helm? ;D Do you live in some alternate universe?? 🤦😂


Sometimes I really like you ;D

Of course they were; most of the public evidence has now been wiped out from the Internet, but smart people had a chance to find out the truth. Was the Nord Stream pipelines sabotage by Ukrainians a 'false flag' or not?


Of course they were; most of the public evidence has now been wiped out from the Internet, but smart people had a chance to find out the truth. Was the Nord Stream pipelines sabotage by Ukrainians a 'false flag' or not?

That's simply conspiracy theory and particularly offensive to the victims' families.

Poland should immediately declare war on Russia and launch a massive attack...with both cruise missiles.

Anyways--just a theoretical question: what if this was indeed a Ukrainian operation? Do we attack Ukraine? :)

You will never prove it - because Russian UAVs were used.

Germany has literally, right now, in their custody the man that masterminded the Nord Stream explosions. They still don't want to tie it Ukraine.

Poland had one of the divers, and Germany demanded extradition, but Poland didn't do anything - until the man peacefully left in the vehicle of the Ukrainian military attache in Poland. Unfortunately, the man died afterwards on the frontlines...

Your governments are not stupid. They see Zelensky's game, and they tolerate it - because right now Russia is the bigger threat.

The hope is that you are carefully taking notes, and formulating some pragmatic way of dealing with Ukraine in the future. They are slippery f*ckers...

Both Germany and Ukraine treat Poland like a silly younger cousin to be always taken advantage of. Poland should ignore them and start getting serious about manufacturing their own military equipment. But do they have enough resources and know-how after years of relying on US help? Doubtful.

Ukraine definitely does not see Poland as a "silly younger cousin".

It sees Poland as an "avaricious Pan", who sees in Ukrainians only niewolniki and czeladz.

Unfortunately? The problem was fortunately resolved. 😁

Oh, we do have resources. The question is: how do we use them?

For example, Poland has the only NATO standard TNT factory in Europe (Nitro-Chem Bydgoszcz). Do we use its output to produce sh*tloads of artillery ammo that we will eventually desperately need? No. Instead of that we sell it to Americans at cost price (over twice cheaper than India!). We have some money to spend on weapons as well, but when Poles come to buy something the prices magically rise (sometimes up to 40%). The Turks and Italians look at us as if we were retards and can't believe how much we pay. etc.

We could be like Switzerland - impenetrable. Instead our defences are still inadequate. Hopefully, the whole drones affair - whoever is behind it - will force more serious defense build-up.

Same when Russia under Medvedev began buying Western equipment, especially that huge French piece of sh*t that we never received - the Mistral Class helicopter carriers.

Also Iveco fleeced us on the armored patrol vehicles.

Thales sold us thermal vision sights for our tanks, at prices that rivaled the price of the whole tank.

Medvedev was an idiot for more reason than one.

@Bobko

Iveco, Tales, Mistral - at least it is foreigners who were f*cking you in the anus. In Poland our own are even worse - a silly mortar grenade that normally costs 500pln, when Polish army comes shopping the contract price is 2500pln (for real). Everyone and their grandmother wants to make money on the Army. :-/

I don't care. I'm just glad that monster was aborted.... the whole purpose was to assure Germany it would keep getting cheap hydrocarbons while russia invaded its neighbors (hoping that Germany would show as much conviction as it did in 2014 (none) and in the early days of the 2022 full invasion (less than none) and turn a blind eye.

Nord stream = never again

...as long as that "pragmatic way" does not include "America" or the USA, I am cool with it...

Looks like NATO will want to coordinate their response with Trump and Trump likes to suck russian dick so there probably will be no response & more drones next time.

This is why Poles are our brothers.

Project of my life currently - is to show Poles that there are minimal differences between them and Russians - however unpleasant it is for Poles to consider this notion currently.

Like Cain and Abel.


It had to be done to force the Germans' hand.

Three of those drones were meant for Golden Moron, Kutasinski, and Kurwinus...

This alone should be a reason for Poland to declare war on Russia.

The plot thickens even more - General Kukuła (Chief of the Defence Staff) confirms that Belarus warned us before the drones entered our airspace. So, it looks like they might have been taken over electronically and redirected towards Poland by someone who has such capability.

In other news, the Czechs offered to send a special chopper unit right away to help us defend from low flying drones. Fair play, little brothers. :)

It's good that these drones flew in because it turned out that Poland does not have effective anti-drone defense. Poland became part of the "Zapad" maneuvers or whatever they are called. Now we know that in the event of war, Poland will be attacked by 5,000 drones on the first day. Air defenses must be equipped to shoot down these drones. Ideally, all of them.

It would be even better with a different president in America.

With Trump... it's good but not brilliant.

That is because position in logistics are seen as punishment, anyone capable of taking care of materials and counting so everything is there that is in need is in the civilian sector or abroad. The army needs such men desperately (a lot of open position for transport etc). The military just doesn't have the money to compete with the civilian sector.

Therefore naturally, loses on contracts, gear, materials etc. Don't be surprised if professional soldiers buy their own gear.

Mostly in the civilian sector. As I said before, Poland is by and large a victim of her own success: a G20 economy, ever increasing wages, and practically zero unemployment make military jobs quite unattractive to most men with brains and balls. Also, the army is full of slightly retarded troglodytes who are there only because their dad or uncle was/is in the service.

In the old days it was 'za mundurem panny sznurem'; these days if you tell a girl you're in the army it's 'nie wiem co czuję, muszę to przemyśleć' haha :D

There's still a very large and skillful military, very good training and the tragic history of Poland and the rich history of its army are a strength.


When I was a military contractor many years ago, there were certainly things that shocked me among some of the older officers, not least the vodka at 9am and some things best not mentioned, sometimes involving sex or money, however there were also some exceptionally good people. You shouldn't worry too much.