Polish "Rambo" in the forest

This case is unusual enough for Poland to deserve its own thread, I guess...

It's already the tenth day of a manhunt after Grzegorz Borys from Gdynia, a 44-year-old soldier from the Polish Navy who killed his 6-year-old son and dog with a knife. Now there's also an Interpol red notice on him.



For all this time the search efforts have been conducted by 1000 people (police, military police, Formoza soldiers, firefighters, forest rangers) and focused mainly on the forests of the Tricity Landscape Park, because this is where the police believes the suspect is hiding.

It looks like Borys prepared himself for this well. He left with a backpack with survival equipment and the police found hideouts with a place to sleep dug in the ground and barrels with food in that forest.

Apparently, at one point the tracking dog almost had him, but Borys managed to escape.

Since it's been 10 days already people are growing impatient and are starting to criticise the police. A former military sniper said, for example, that with today's technology Borys should have been found after 2 days. Unless he's dead (and so you can't see him with termovision) or maybe escaped abroad already. On the other hand, according to the former head of Ministry of Internal Affairs this forest is a good place to hide:

wiadomosci.wp.pl/oblawa-na-grzegorza-borysa-zbyt-dlugo-trwajaca-policyjna-akcja-6957756101679616a

"I know the Tricity Landscape Park well. Years ago we were organising fitness marches there. It's a big territory, majority of which is densely forested with many wetlands. There are craters in the ground there, bunkers, ditches and terrain depressions. You can defenitely hide in such a place. The police must be convinced that Grzegorz Borys is still hiding in the forest. - Kaczmarek told WP."

So far a 19-year-old man was arrested for giving the police fake info about Boris' whereabouts.

Borys' neighbours shed some light on his recent behaviour. They said he was wearing a balaclava, sunglasses and a knife even though he lives in a safe neighbourhood. He would take the knife even to the playground when he was with his son. Borys was getting frustrated easily, he was shouting at kids and was vulgar. He was anti-Ukrainian and he didn't want Ukrainian kids to come to play. His son seemed to be stressed out around him. Borys was also agrressive towards his dog, he was even kicking it (the dog was old already and was walking slowly). People were afraid to say anything to him.

One neighbour said Borys would often go to the forest, spending even a week at a time there.
According to soldiers from his unit Borys (who was a driver at his unit) was a secretive, quiet, not social man. He also wasn't very bright nor ambitious and didn't seem to care about the opinion of his supervisors about him.

At the time of the murder Borys was on sick leave.
Nothing has been said about his motives so far - all is known apparently is that he left a note saying: "I'm sorry for everything, you are all beasts."

Btw, in July this year in Reda, not far from Gdynia, there was a disturbingly similar case. A 32-year-old soldier from Formoza (something like Navy Seals) killed his 6-year-old daughter and his dog with a knife and then killed himself with a knife too. Makes me wonder if this recent murderer is a copycat of sorts o_O

Nothing is known about the motive behind that murder from July either, but I have some guess. The police said that the Formoza soldier didn't live with the mother of his daughter and neighbours said that he's been living there for two months only, so I think it's possible that his wife left him and killing their daughter was maybe his revenge for that, for example. Allegedly, he didn't have any psychological problems.

More photos of Grzegorz Borys:





A video:

Rambo didn't kill children.

Rambo did not serve in the Polish armed forces.

Rambo is also, not real. It is actually an actor named Sylvester Stallone portraying a disenchanted veteran named John Rambo.

Source: Grew up in the 80s-90s.

@Bobko
Honey, I watched all Rambo, the first one is the best but when he was punching the russians in Afghanistan in the second he was like a balm for the tortured Polish heart.

@Alien

The Russians made Rambo into who he was. As an undisciplined and slightly "hippy" soldier, he was on no one's radars. After the Russians had some time with him, he became the international sensation we all know and love.

Just as Solzhenitsyn had to be molded within the art of suffering, before he was ready for the big time, or Dostoyevsky had to be subjected to a mock execution before he started writing worthwhile things - Rambo was in need of Russian coaching. As with our writers and gymnasts, the results did not take long to develop.

Yes, but there are other similarities - he's a soldier, he's hiding in the forest, all the survival stuff and is hard to catch. Hence the "nickname":

wiadomosci.onet.pl/trojmiasto/chora-zabawa-w-chowanego-policjanci-o-oblawie-na-grzegorza-borysa/rek3cp7

"The police officers are assuring that they're working according to a plan and they're going to look for Borys until they find him. In an official statement they informed that Borys left any electronics, cash and documents at home. This - according to investigators - is another proof that the soldier suspected of killing his child ran away to the forest and decided to - as they put it - "to play a sick game of hide and seek with the police and military police". Hence the nickname he was given by some of the uniformed people: Rambo."


No sh1t lol


The scriptwriters made him ;D

My first thoughts.... nothing about the mother (very, very weird).

Second thoughts.... I think he's most likely out of the country or dead (suicide).

That's a usual MO for men who kill family members (esp children).

Was it caused by the onset of schizophrenia (he seems a little old for that, but... generally the signs are there)

Was it caused by the discovery of infidelity ("son" wasn't "his")? A disproportionate extreme response but again within the parameters.

@mafketis, from what I've read it was the mother (Borys' wife) who found the body of their son. I can imagine she's in a bad shape right now.

Mother was at work and was the one who found the dead boy.

Why would your mind jumping to the infidelity?

I'm sure she is, what I meant there's been no mention of their relationship before he snapped.... had things been okay? deteriorating? how had she been reacting to his decline?


When a parent kills a child you look at all possible motives... and killings over being cuckolded are not unheard of.... the more common response is losing interest in the child but you never know what a crazy person will do.

It sounds like he'd been seriously unwell for a long time and people ignored it... I fault his superiors in the military for not recognizing his problems earlier and doing something about it.

According to "Fakt" the army put his wife, two other sons and the wife's parents in some safe place in case Borys wanted to hurt them too. Maybe this is why we haven't heard from them or about them...

I haven't read in any article about what their neighbours who lived next to them have to say about that family though... Only people who have seen Borys out and about in the neighbourhood...

In that other Reda case it's been 3 months already and not even a peep about the wife (partner?) of that Formoza soldier and why he did it. Makes me wonder if we ever find out anything...


Judging by the note he left it doesn't seem like it had anything to do with his wife in particular.


I wouldn't jump to such conclusions too soon... It's possible that he had two faces - one for work and another one for outside of work. It happens and it might be the case with Borys... Judging by what was said by soldiers who dealt with him at his unit he wasn't aggressive at work. It seems that the only "abnormal" thing about him was that he was infantile and had a low military rank for his age.

On Monday they found a backpack with money inside that probably belonged to Borys near some small lake near wetlands not far away from where he lives. It's possible that he left it to mislead the police, but they've been searching the lakes and wetlands in this area in case he drowned there.

Unfortunately, one of the firefighters from a special diving group who was taking part in that search in those wetlands died - he was supposed to go back to the surface after 5 minutes, but he didn't, so his colleagues started to look for him. They had a problem with getting him out and by the time he was out of the water he was already in critical condition. He died in hospital. His name was Bartosz Błyskal and he was only 27 years old :(

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So most likely mental illness (exacerbated by drug use????) 44 is very old for the onset of schizophrenia... so I'm guessing something else.....

Also, while I'm here, 44 minus 6 = 38.... isn't that pretty old for a first time father in Poland? I know things change but... has the onset of having kids increased that much?

Anyhoo, I'm still thinking he's dead or not in Poland.

Is it possible to add the death of the diver to his charges if he is found alive?

As I already wrote in my post #12 they have two more sons - my guess is that they're older and the 6-year-old Aleksander was the youngest of the three kids.

Btw, the family dog Borys killed was a dachshund...


I'm no law expert, but I don't think so... o_O Can you do that in other countries?

Okay a late 'surprise' kid... sorry I missed the other sons earlier.


I don't like dachshunds in general (yappy nasty things) but killing one is too much....

All the firefighter units in Poland honoured him today by turning on the light and sound signals at 6 pm:

tvn24.pl/trojmiasto/gdynia-smierc-strazaka-podczas-poszukiwan-grzegorza-borysa-w-calym-kraju-zawyly-syreny-7419253

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The last time such accident happened was a dozen or so years ago.

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Very sad news.


Personally I'd not name minors.


I don't think so either however under some legal systems there may be a case for a civil claim.

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1. I didn't name him, the media did.
2. Why not?

Best not to repeat the media's sins.


The person is a minor and deserves privacy.

The minor is dead. Won't affected the poor child one bit.

I didn't know that, however I don't much like it when the media name dead kids either,

I don't see it as a "sin" in this case, unless it was done against the wishes of his family.


This whole thread is about the murder of this kid and looking for his father who did it...


Why?

I do.

Has he been caught yet? I've not seen the news for a day or two.

Why?


When or if they catch him or find his body it will be all over the news, so I think you'll hear about it.

Doubtless, though I don't read newspapers much these days or watch TV news ever.

I wonder where he is now?


Not something. I like. I felt the same when the murdered "Baby P" in the UK was eventually named by the press.

Stupid name for a thread. Rambo didn`t kill children, he killed bad guys. Major difference.

I personally think it's humanising the victim. So, thanks to this he's "a sweet, little boy with glasses whose name was Olek", rather than yet another murdered child - another anonymous number in statistics (and there's been quite a few of them lately...)...


Hence the quotation marks.

It is useless - the milk has spilt when Rambo name was mentioned at all.

@pawian, I don't cry over spilt milk, there are bigger problems in this world :)))