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gumishu 11 | 5,603
9 Jul 2020 #1,951
with fondness for autocratic solutions.

fondness for autocratic solutions? namely?

btw you didn't bother to answer me in a different thread
cms neuf 1 | 1,852
9 Jul 2020 #1,952
My 3 top reasons

Threat to democracy - especially trying to control the courts

Weakening Poland's position in Europe - Poland should be the natural leader of Eastern Europe but it has lost that role and the moderate democracies like Slovakia, Slovenia, Lithuania etc do not look up to Poland

Renationalization - I'm not opposed to keeping strategic assets in state ownership, but PiS just uses state companies to feed and water an army of untalented cronies
OP pawian 176 | 14,299
9 Jul 2020 #1,953
fondness for autocratic solutions? namely?

Will you ask about everything like a 5 yo child? How many times did PIS break constitution and their puppet president signed everything? They will all be held responsible for that in free Poland.

btw you didn't bother to answer me in a different thread

oh la la, impatient like a young boy on the first date. I think I already said to sb else before. Was it you? Yes, I saw your replies so don`t worry.
gumishu 11 | 5,603
9 Jul 2020 #1,954
Threat to democracy - especially trying to control the courts

could you expand on it
gumishu 11 | 5,603
9 Jul 2020 #1,956
Weakening Poland's position in Europe - Poland should be the natural leade

Poland was never the leader of Central European countries - I don't know where do you get those ideas from - my wild guess is from the mouth of Tusk

How many times did PIS break constitution

as far as I know Duda broke constitution only once - but please name some other instances -

can I count you among those who could count starting from today?
mafketis 24 | 9,361
9 Jul 2020 #1,957
Duda broke constitution only once

Which is one time too many. Vote the criminal puppet out of office!
cms neuf 1 | 1,852
9 Jul 2020 #1,958
Re controlling the courts then the worst thing was makinG the Justice Minister also the Director of Prosecutions - it's an obvious and very dangerous step to using the courts to political ends,

Re leadership of Eastern Europe then it might never have been but it should have been - Poland has overtaken Hungary and Czech in wealth a few years ago, and Warsaw has become just as cosmopolitan and business like as Prague and Budapest and Vienna.
gumishu 11 | 5,603
9 Jul 2020 #1,959
Which is one time too many. Vote the criminal puppet out of office!

you say it in a country where the Constitutional Tribual itself broke the rules of logic, reason and decency (see the ruling on transfering real money from the retirement funds into virtual ZUS accounts)

- it's an obvious and very dangerous step to using the courts to political ends,

and in your opinion courts have always been just and never favoured anyone - either you have a short memory or you just haven't lived in Poland in 1990's and 2000's
OP pawian 176 | 14,299
9 Jul 2020 #1,960
Poland was never the leader of Central European countries

No leader but at least it mattered in this area. I remember how Polish ministers went to Ukraine to negotiate Majdan crisis. And today?

but please name some other instances -

Again stupid requests?

as far as I know Duda broke constitution only once

hahaha that `s a result of depending only on rightard media. Even admitting that once is a success. Once! Wow, what objectivism. hahaha

So, it wasn`t once but many more.

oko.press/prawne-grzechy-andrzeja-dudy/
gumishu 11 | 5,603
9 Jul 2020 #1,961
@gumishu

Again stupid requests?

you know it all so well - name a couple - what's the problem

I want you to name it - not a link
OP pawian 176 | 14,299
9 Jul 2020 #1,962
Of course, it isn`t a problem. But I see you are trying to deflect our discussion from its right course by recalling things which were already discussed in the forum long ago.

The first breach took place in 1915 when President Duda refused to accept the oath from the newly appointed judges, even though he was required BY LAW to do so without delay. As a result, the judges were unable to carry out their duties.

the section of the CC Act which requires CC judges to take an oath before the President should be understood as creating an obligation for the President to promptly accept the oath from the CC judges appointed by Parliament
gumishu 11 | 5,603
9 Jul 2020 #1,963
even though he was required BY LAW to do so without delay.

the law doesn't say he is supposed to do it immediately - or rather show me the passus in the constitution that says so
cms neuf 1 | 1,852
9 Jul 2020 #1,964
Of course the system had its problems but what Ziobro has done is far more dangerous

Oh and I just thought of another thing I hate - Sunday trading. Was nowhere in their election programme in 2015 but now we have to put up with this idiocy
OP pawian 176 | 14,299
9 Jul 2020 #1,965
and in your opinion courts have always been just and never favoured anyone

Does it mean PIS has the right to use courts and judges as they wish today???

Stop singing those boring songs of the past. PO this, PO that. It is PiS which have ruled since 2015 and they haven`t solved one single problem - on the contrary, they created even more problems. Their only merit is benefits, which relieved the plight of poor people a little..
gumishu 11 | 5,603
9 Jul 2020 #1,966
Of course the system

- there was a strong systemic bias against 'right wing' parties individuals etc all the way back to 90's - then there was decided that (mostly) leading judges apoint new judges - and the bias just perpetuated -

Was nowhere in their election programme in 2015 but now we have to put up with this idiocy

I'm not in favour of ban on Sunday trading - see I'm not a blind PiS lover - the thing is other options are not really options for me
OP pawian 176 | 14,299
9 Jul 2020 #1,967
the law doesn't say he is supposed to do it immediately - or rather show me the passus in the constitution that says so

you mean he still has time to do it??? But PIS nominated their own new judges to replace those 3 rejected by Duda so it is too late. What BS are you talking about now? hahaha

The law doesn't specify any time limit for accepting the oath, which - according to Polish jurisprudence - means that the President should do it without undue delay.

szynalski.com/pub/polish-constitutional-crisis#president-no-oath
gumishu 11 | 5,603
9 Jul 2020 #1,968
which relieved the plight of poor people a little..

a little - heh you're funneh - 10 per cent of children in 2014 lived in homesteads with income per capita lower than minimum that allows existence - unemployment in 2014 was 10,4 per cent

according to Polish jurisprudence

according to what - if it is not stated in the law then it isn't in the law

I can see how it is a breach of Constitution to you - but to me it is highly debateable

so let's leave it behind and be so kind.. and name some other instances
OP pawian 176 | 14,299
9 Jul 2020 #1,969
unemployment in 2014 was 10,4 per cent

Stupid argument. The drop of unemployment was gradual over the years since Polish access to the EU in 2004, with the crisis of 2008 on the way, so if you suggest it is PiS` merit to have 6% today, then you are gravely mistaken. Don`t give us such BS, please.

yes, why still so high if the situation was splendid according to PIS??? (figures from pre-pandemia period)

I can see how it is a breach of Constitution to you - but to me it is highly debateable

Stop twisting facts, The real fact is he didn`t accept the 3 judges appointed previously and nominated other. That`s enough to breach the Constitution.

Remember your last post there?:

Gumi, can I rush you a little, too? - you still haven`t answered that one.... when I reminded that you actively participated in judiciciary discussions but today you prefered to pretend a little amnesia hahaha
gumishu 11 | 5,603
9 Jul 2020 #1,970
That`s enough to breach the Constitution.

yes this was a breach of constitution - show me more - I want more
you can evade answering my questions in the other thread - I can choose to have an amnesia :P

btw why did the Constitutional Tribunal choose to examine the bill which appointed 2 unlawful judges into the Tribunal only after new Sejm got elected - what took them so long since June?
OP pawian 176 | 14,299
9 Jul 2020 #1,971
you can evade answering my questions

Before demanding to answer YOUR questions, it would be fair and nice if you answered MY questions,. hahaha

show me more - I want more

oops, you seem to be getting overexcited right now. Are you sure you`re OK? :):

OK, here you are but can you calm down a little? I fear you might get a heart attack. :(:(:(

ruleoflaw.pl/jaccuse-i-accuse-andrzej-duda-of-breaching-the-polish-constitution-by-appointing-m-manowska-to-the-office-of-first-president-of-the-supreme-court/

3. Article 179, in connection from Article 187 of the Polish Constitution stipulating that judges are appointed by the President of the Republic of Poland, on the motion of the NCJ, which should include 15 judges who are representatives of the judiciary. MaƂgorzata Manowska is not a judge appointed in accordance with these standards, and therefore not only should not adjudicate, but also cannot hold the office of the First President of the Supreme Court.
OP pawian 176 | 14,299
9 Jul 2020 #1,972
Vote the criminal puppet out of office!

And then


  • A little black humour - hahahaha Do you recognise the scene?
Crow 146 | 9,109
9 Jul 2020 #1,973
Brate Duda send us call if Germany disturb you, all the hawks would come to spank Merkel for you!

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Dobri brat Duda wins! Look flags behind his back. Duda is wise.
PolAmKrakow 1 | 590
9 Jul 2020 #1,974
@Crow
Duda striking a suspiciously Nixon looking pose there. How did that work out?
Crow 146 | 9,109
9 Jul 2020 #1,975
Duda is venerated here. Even more then Hungarian Orban. Duda is recognized as suverenist, patriot, Slavic and Sarmatian brat, fascinatingly skilled diplomat and balanced politician. He strengthening Poland and, as we all know, stronger Poland, we all safer.

God bless Poland.
Ironside 50 | 10,935
9 Jul 2020 #1,976
helps to create a bond and makes for easier, more natural relationship

There no bonds in international relation between countries only interests. Such bond if need to have some should forge diplomats or lobbyist not politicians in a gov.

Its not even amusing but sad how people in Poland are obsessing about issues that do not really matter and ignore those which are vital in electing a politician.

copy everything f

BS. You lousy parrot.
johnny reb 28 | 5,291
10 Jul 2020 #1,977
BS. You lousy parrot.

Trust fund baby enjoying the sweat off Dad and Mom's ass.

people in Poland are obsessing about issues that do not really matter and ignore those which are vital in electing a politician.

Self centered self serving snow flakes just like every other country in the world......Me - I - Me !
mafketis 24 | 9,361
10 Jul 2020 #1,978
Expect more of this if Howdy Doody wins...

o2.pl/informacje/proboszcz-nie-dal-komunii-96-latce-na-jej-domu-wisial-plakat-rafala-trzaskowskiego-6530304479234784a

Gotta love those principled PiS-ites...
gumishu 11 | 5,603
10 Jul 2020 #1,979
ruleoflaw

you probably don't even understand what you posted and - it is utter nonsense anyway - simple test: could you explain how Manowska is illegal in your own words
Lenka 3 | 2,558
10 Jul 2020 #1,980
There no bonds in international relation between countries only interests.

I think you are wrong but let's say ok. Another issue is simple safety. Translator is yet another person and not protected at that, that is privy to the most secret meetings. He/she may be used by political opponents (like it was tried with Tusk's translator), briebed or kidnapped.

Me - I - Me !

And you take that from what?

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