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AntV 2 | 192
9 Mar 2020 #361
I see. Pretty disgusting trick by the opposition.
OP pawian 170 | 11,349
9 Mar 2020 #362
half of Poland thinks that Duda took away the money from cancer patients and gave it to PiS's propaganda tube.

Is it untrue?
Torq 32 | 2,999
9 Mar 2020 #363
Of course it's untrue. Pure manipulation. In the same way opposition could question every expense by proposing to give money to cancer patients instead. Of course, subsidising TVP is a huge waste of taxpayers' money, but opposition's propaganda is as manipulative as the government's in this case.

Dirty trick doesn't become clean only because people whom we like use it. :)
mafketis 23 | 8,404
9 Mar 2020 #364
Well there's a lot of people who "defend" various PiS mis-deeds with the equivalent of "PO is just as bad!"

PiS has played very dirty in the past, so..... turnabout is fairplay.

PAD is not and will never be president of all Polish people because he's tied to PiS and simply does whatever pan prezes tells him.
AntV 2 | 192
9 Mar 2020 #365
could question every expense by proposing to give money to cancer patients instead.

Exactly! What's worse is these kind of tactics breakdown all constructive debate. Is nearly impossible to debate the merits of a policy if you aren't honestly defining the premise. These kind of tactics are the enemy of democracy.

turnabout is fairplay.

It's not fairplay, but dirty play.
mafketis 23 | 8,404
9 Mar 2020 #366
PiS has played dirty plenty of times in the past, complaining that someone is fighting fire with fire is disingenuous...
AntV 2 | 192
9 Mar 2020 #367
That's the kind of fire that can burn down a functioning democracy.

Fighting lies with lies will not result in a healthy country.
gumishu 11 | 5,191
9 Mar 2020 #368
PAD is not and will never be president of all Polish people because

neither will Kidawa or Kosiniak

Fighting lies with lies will not result in a healthy country

a voice of reason
mafketis 23 | 8,404
9 Mar 2020 #369
neither will Kidawa or Kosiniak

I think double K has a chance.... (he has my official endorsement for the time being).
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
9 Mar 2020 #370
PiS has played very dirty in the past, so..... turnabout is fairplay.

Paulina Kosiniak-Kamysz has pulled one of the best moves I've ever seen in an election. By directly throwing the gauntlet down and challenging Agata Duda, she's effectively opened up another front against PAD himself. It's a masterstroke, not least because Agata Duda appears to be incredibly uncomfortable with being in the public eye, while Paulina seems relaxed and comfortable.

Still, I don't sense any great enthusiasm from PiS towards this election. Duda's campaign has been dull and uninspired, too.
AntV 2 | 192
9 Mar 2020 #371
Did KK challenge Duda's wife to a debate or something? Is Duda's wife running for office?
Spike31 3 | 1,637
9 Mar 2020 #372
Don't expect any logic from them :-) They are desperate and are shooting blind in false hope that some of that cr*p will stick.

The only real and constructive political opposition to PiS in Poland is Konfederacja. The program of the rest of the "political opposition" is as simple as their minds: to remove PiS from power and then we'll think what's next. If by some miracle they would win they would wake up with a d*cks in their hands ;-)
AntV 2 | 192
9 Mar 2020 #373
But what exactly has KK done to challenge Duda's wife? And why is it relevant if she isn't running for office?
Spike31 3 | 1,637
9 Mar 2020 #374
But what exactly has KK done to challenge Duda's wife?

"Duda's wife" was always a subject that the opposition wanted to use for political reasons, like during "black protests" against a new abotion law in Poland. They are frustrated that she remains silent on hot button political topics and can't be used as a tool to hit her husband and PiS in general.
AntV 2 | 192
9 Mar 2020 #375
Delph says it's a masterstroke. How so, Delph? If what Spuke is saying is accurate and Duda's wife doesn't get involved publicly and she isn't on the ballot, how is she relevant? It seems pretty petty and desperate, not masterly.
Lenka 3 | 1,966
9 Mar 2020 #376
Hmmm, I don't think she will have a big impact but it is true a lot of people are annoyed that she is so mute.Even Maria Kaczyńska took a stand few times.

When it comes to the First Lady/Gentelmen Hołownia wins hands down. His wife is a freaking jet pilot :)
Bosak's one is a liability to more moderate electorate as she works for Ordo Luris.

While the spouse of the president is not the one in office they do represent the country so people tend to take them into account.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
9 Mar 2020 #377
The only real and constructive political opposition to PiS in Poland is Konfederacja.

With a whole 5% declaring their willingness to vote for Bosak.

Delph says it's a masterstroke. How so, Delph?

So, what's worth pointing out here is that Agata Duda has never been particularly good with PR. She's not comfortable in front of the camera, and it's clear that she would probably be happier teaching German quietly in a high school as she was before. Is it a bad thing? I would say it's rather neutral - she simply doesn't want to get really involved with politics. There were attacks on her by liberals for her silence during the Black Protests, there were attacks on her by the far right because of her family (Jewish grandfather), and even her own brother made it clear that he opposed Duda. She didn't really do anything - she didn't say anything, she just kept quiet. A dignified silence, if you will.

Now you have someone making it clear that they see the First Lady as having a role in the Presidency. What happens from here? If Agata Duda stays silent, she leaves Paulina KK with open goal after open goal as it can be pointed out how weak and ineffective she is. If she gets involved, she'll probably do badly - she's not known for PR or her public skills, and Paulina KK is much more media-friendly. So, the masterstroke here is exactly this: there's nothing to lose for Paulina KK. If she charms voters, then Duda loses votes. If voters don't like her, there's no harm done, because WKK is quite far behind anyway.

In a normal election, it wouldn't matter so much. But we're talking about a situation where Duda is in a dogfight for votes, and even 50,000 votes being lost because of Paulina KK could decide the election.
OP pawian 170 | 11,349
9 Mar 2020 #378
It's not fairplay, but dirty play.

Yes, we need Dirty Harry to deal with PiS rogues.

That's the kind of fire that can burn down a functioning democracy. Fighting lies with lies will not result in a healthy country.

I forgive you your infantile words coz you don`t know what you say and do. I only hope it is pure naivety of yours, not bad will or pro-PiS propaganda.

What don`t you know then?
Firstly, it is commonly known that most patients diagnosed for serious cancer are doomed in Poland coz there is not enough money to refund expensive medicine. 2 billion additional funds could save many lives.

Secondly, state media, especially TV, has been entirely taken over by PiS who use them to spread the dirtiest propaganda which is on the same level or even worse than the one in communist times.

Read a few links - the issue of has become known in the world.

khpg.org/en/index.php?id=1563637286
political-europe.com/2019/01/14/polands-public-tv-is-a-propaganda-tube-confirmed/
nytimes.com/2019/10/11/world/europe/poland-election-state-television-tvp.html
irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/polish-national-broadcaster-turns-into-propaganda-machine-1.2652527
ipi.media/new-report-polands-public-media-serve-as-propaganda-tool/

Do you undestand now why your words about threatened democracy were silly???? Yes, democracy is threatened but by PiS, not the opposition.
gumishu 11 | 5,191
9 Mar 2020 #379
When it comes to the First Lady/Gentelmen Hołownia wins hands down. His wife is a freaking jet pilot :)

make my day and vote for Hołownia :)
gumishu 11 | 5,191
9 Mar 2020 #380
Pretty disgusting trick by the opposition.

disgusting tricks are their modus operandi for the most part - if PO-PSL didn't vote 2 Constitutional Tribunal judges before the end of the term of those they were supposed to replace there probably wouldn't be a case of PiS meddling with the Tribunal - and so on and so forth
OP pawian 170 | 11,349
9 Mar 2020 #381
Don`t be silly. Fighting PO`s misdeeds with PiS` misdeeds? hahaha It is like fighting flu with bubonic plague.
OP pawian 170 | 11,349
9 Mar 2020 #382
First Lady/Gentelmen Hołownia wins hands down. His wife is a freaking jet pilot :)

And she also decided to openly support her husband in her spot directed to Polish women. Wives will definitely be a highlight of this campaign.

o2.pl/artykul/kolejna-zona-wlacza-sie-w-kampanie-prezydencka-mocny-glos-urszuli-brzezinskiej-holowni-6486372862707841a





Spike31 3 | 1,637
9 Mar 2020 #383
Wives will definitely be a highlight of this campaign.

I'm waiting for Biedron's wife to join the party
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
9 Mar 2020 #384
Wives will definitely be a highlight of this campaign.

Women in general, I'd say.
Ironside 49 | 10,311
10 Mar 2020 #385
Paulina Kosiniak-Kamysz has pulled one of the best moves

Talking about legalisation of the same sex marriages in Poland. lol! Very popular in Poland, I can envision all those new voters flocking ..
Torq are you going to vote KK in that circumstances?

What don`t you know then?

An Utter tripe as per usual. what a pathetic BS you are spewing? Have you no shame?
mafketis 23 | 8,404
10 Mar 2020 #386
if PO-PSL didn't ....there probably wouldn't be a case of PiS meddling with the Tribunal

Don't be silly, immolating the judicial brance was JK's plan from the beginning...
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
10 Mar 2020 #387
As witnessed by his behaviour as PM.

Anyway, Duda has just announced that he's not going to hold any mass events during this campaign. Is it really because of coronavirus, or is it because he can't cope with the opposition?
gumishu 11 | 5,191
10 Mar 2020 #388
could you be a little more specific?
OP pawian 170 | 11,349
10 Mar 2020 #389
what a pathetic BS you are spewing?

???

could you be a little more specific?

Exactly.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
10 Mar 2020 #390
Exactly.

I remember how Kaczyński repeated lines about how he wouldn't allow PiS to lose power back in 2006 when they were fighting with Lepper. Let's not forget how he attempted to discredit the Constitutional Tribunal whenever they struck down Kaczyński-led laws, too. There were plenty of veiled comments and threats then as well, the only difference was that Lepper in particular wanted nothing to do with it.


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