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Presidential elections 2020 - your opinions about campaign, candidates


Ironside 49 | 10,282
7 Mar 2020 #331
Is his message resonating much in Poland? Does he have a realistic chance?

No. He doesn't have a chance.

Fools!

Indeed.

independent from PiS a

Name me one president that was independent in that sense? There was no even a one. Just to sit there and suggest that it is somehow a big flaw of this one is ... I don't know I find it dishonest, dumb, cheap and somewhat shytty.

Apparently the TV finances are that bad.

I don't know about that -maybe. On the other hand nobody in Poland is paying a tv licence fee. Theoretically it is a must.
Spike31 3 | 1,610
7 Mar 2020 #332
Unfortunately it's not a new phenomenon.

Nice find, @Torq but I doubt you'll reach them since that's not how their thinking goes. @pawian and especially @delphiandomine believe in simple philosophy "Kali ukrasc krowa: dobrze. Kalemu ukrasc krowa: zle" ;-)
mafketis 23 | 8,360
7 Mar 2020 #333
I agree that signing the law on a train platform was no big deal, but why was Morawiecki there during Duda's speech? Why was his body language so freaky?

No matter what you think of him, this can't help Duda at all I haven't seen a single positive comment about it... just more or less hostile and/or more or less "well, things happen". No actual defense has been raised for this craven act of partisanship.

His ambition of being president of the entire country is dead. He's the president of those who vote for PiS.
cms neuf - | 1,573
7 Mar 2020 #334
It's not a must to have a license or extra state funding because they also advertize.

Problem is that the falling number of viewers means they can charge advertisers less and in any case they start to lose advertisers when the programming doesn't fit their consumers profile. When you end up with an audience made up of the old the poor and the undereducated then obviously they have less spending power and are less interesting.

Add to that the fact that PIS has annoyed all the major advertisers with extra taxes and regulations - that is the cell phone companies, the retailers and the banks.

And then even aside from politics much of advertising has moved online in the last five years when PiS were in charge.
Spike31 3 | 1,610
7 Mar 2020 #335
but why was Morawiecki there during Duda's speech?

A public display of unity to disarm a narration about political war between President and PiS over a dimision of Jacek Kurski from public media.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
7 Mar 2020 #336
Astonishing, Spike yet again defends Duda while Konfederacja themselves are laying into Duda over this. His nationalist credentials are flawed, to say the least.
mafketis 23 | 8,360
7 Mar 2020 #337
A public display of unity

Then why was Morawiecki displaying such discomfort?
Spike31 3 | 1,610
7 Mar 2020 #338
@delphiandomine

As hard as it may be for you to comprehend I've got my own opinions and I'm not shy to use my own brain. It seems that the old theory of POKO supporters being simple lemmings is not a myth :-)

Then why was Morawiecki displaying such discomfort?

I don't know that since I don't watch TV except some offcuts on social media. Just a simple fact that such a meeting took place was enough for me to connect the dots.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
7 Mar 2020 #339
I've got my own opinions and I'm not shy to use my own brain.

By repeating word-for-word what people from Nowogrodzka say?

Just a simple fact that such a meeting took place was enough for me to connect the dots.

Perhaps it would be best to actually watch it before passing comment. Morawiecki's body language suggested very much that he was desperately unhappy with the whole situation.
OP pawian 170 | 11,264
7 Mar 2020 #340
It's embarrassing and shows that he has no respect for the office.

It would be embarassing if the Queen did it, but not when Duda. He is known for silly acts. :)





OP pawian 170 | 11,264
7 Mar 2020 #341
I doubt you'll reach them since that's not how their thinking goes.

Of course not. What makes you think so? ??

Astonishing, Spike yet again defends Duda while Konfederacja themselves are laying into Duda over this.

Yes, quite surprising. :)
Spike31 3 | 1,610
7 Mar 2020 #342
Perhaps it would be best to actually watch it before passing comment.

I don't waste my time watching garbage on TVP, TVN and other clunky propaganda channels. I'd rather look at the bigger picture.

You seem to be very preoccupied with their body language. You may hate them but you're playing their game and under their own rules. They've got you right where they wanted you - and the others - to be :-)
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
7 Mar 2020 #343
The bigger picture which involves repeating the government line word for word? For someone that claims not to be paying attention, you seem to have views that are far closer to PiS than any other party.

Anyway, if you're looking at the bigger picture, you'll be well aware that Duda was trapped and could only lose.
Spike31 3 | 1,610
7 Mar 2020 #344
@delphiandomine

You're funny, like I would have to hide my political sympaties, if anything I'm proud of it. I'm putting a loud and clear label on myself so you don't have to look for it, heh.

I'm a right-wing nationalist when it comes to cultivating Polish culture and opposing destructive multi-kulti and LGBT movements. And I'm a capitalist - who believe that money has nationality - when it comes to economy. Is this clear enough for you? Cause if you still don't understand then maybe I can draw you a picture? :-)

PiS in not radical enough for me on the ideological front and too much socialist when it comes to economy. Yet, when compared to the other political parties, PiS is still second best option after Konfederacja. And Duda is firmly a second best candidate after Krzysztof Bosak. Which says a lot about quality of the "opposition". So if you're thinking that I'm going to attack PiS from POKO positions you are more naive than I though.

Konfereacja has the youngest voters and grows as a political movement at a steady pace. It's not our time yet but soon we will make bigger impact on Polish politics. I say "we" because I identify with the movement and also done my fair share to make it grow.
Ironside 49 | 10,282
7 Mar 2020 #345
It's not a must to have a license or extra state funding because they also advertize.

Cause that is the law. However it is not enforced at all. So I doubt anyone is paying. So it is being subsidized in this way due to some or other EU regulations.

In all it is just a S storm. Anyone in PIS place would do the same or worse. It only a political propaganda crap.
Not worthy of any attention.

He is known for silly acts

Such a mud slinging is appealing only to people whose wouldn't vote on Duda anyway. It is a waste of time if someone wants to bring people about into their point of view. Just childish and silly but somewhat funny.

The bigger picture which involves repeating the government line word for word?

What are you doing? Are you deluding yourself into thinking you are some kind of a big fry? What kind of an argument it is anyway, going after people in an attempt to discredit them by some made up silly nonsense? You're very familiar with the gov propaganda, I see you have memorized it well, are you sitting all day in front of the tv letting your wife pay your bills?
OP pawian 170 | 11,264
7 Mar 2020 #346
Just childish and silly but somewhat funny.

I smell certain clash in your soul now. It seems different points of view are tearing you apart. How are you feeling with it? :):)
Lenka 3 | 1,952
7 Mar 2020 #347
So I doubt anyone is paying. So it is being subsidized in this way due to some or other EU regulations.

That was always a problem. Yet previously TVP managed to even put some money aside for rainy days. That surplus is gone, loans are taken and now this. And that is outside of the normal government subsidy. So if you want to stick to your 'everyone would do the same' go ahead but it doesn't have a lot to do with reality.

The thing is- it's not about TVP getting government's money. It's about financial disaster in running it while being so politically biased at the same time.

Such a mud slinging is appealing only to people whose wouldn't vote on Duda anyway.

Have to agree with that. Plus I think things like that give him an image of 'swój chłop' appealing to part of the electorate.
Ironside 49 | 10,282
7 Mar 2020 #348
It seems different points of view are tearing you apart.

From a political perspective those are childish and silly. That pictures with his face captured with that expression is just objectively funny. Nothing to it. I'm pretty sure if you were photographed 24/7 there would be more that enough pictures of your that are funny.

. do the same' go ahead but it doesn't have a lot to do with reality.

Are you so sure? do you know much about TV financial history or reality? Seems to me you're guessing basing your assumption on what you heard somewhere and your political sympathies. Doesn't make it legit or factual.

it while being so politically biased at the same time.

TVP has been always politically biased and it would be better it if was called a gov TV as it was always its function. Nothing changed, beside political climate in Poland when a very strong polarisation of the political scene deepened. Before it wasn't that extreme so TVP seemed to be less politicized but that just an illusion.
jon357 63 | 15,214
7 Mar 2020 #349
Yet previously TVP managed to even put some money aside for rainy days. That surplus is gone, loans are taken and now this.

They have adverts and must get revenue from that. I wonder what their viewing figures are compared with Polsat and TVN. That would affect the amount they can charge for an advertising slot.
mafketis 23 | 8,360
7 Mar 2020 #350
do you know much about TV financial history or reality?

Do you?

Pop question: You can decide where to spend two billion zloties...

a) TVP as currently constructed (mouthpiece of the government)

b) healthcare system (in general)

where would you spend it if it were your personal choice?
Torq 32 | 2,999
7 Mar 2020 #351
two billion zloties

2 billion every year, for 5 consecutive years (2020-2024) - that's 10 billion actually. Here's the bill that was signed by Duda...



... un-be-lie-va-ble.
OP pawian 170 | 11,264
7 Mar 2020 #352
... un-be-lie-va-ble.

OMG. When this clown wins, Poland will follow the style of Putin`s Russia for the next 50 years. All hands on the board - save your country!



delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
8 Mar 2020 #353
un-be-lie-va-ble

10 billion for TVP, nothing for cancer patients.

No matter what he says from now on, it's going to haunt him.
gumishu 11 | 5,155
8 Mar 2020 #354
10 billion for TVP, nothing for cancer patients.

demagogy pure
OP pawian 170 | 11,264
8 Mar 2020 #355
No matter what he says from now on, it's going to haunt him.

I hope so. Till his last day. :):)

demagogy pure

hahaha At last decent people have learnt how to fight PiS using their own methods.

BTW, when PiS cultivated demagogy in 2015 with slogans "Poland in ruin" and other, I didn`t notice your protests. Were there any? I could skip them coz I took my leave around that time. But if you find a single post in which you critisized PiS for demagogy, I will not call you a biased liar and manipulator again. :):)
Ironside 49 | 10,282
8 Mar 2020 #357
Do you?

I don't make claims based on guesses as to an internal financial situation of the TVP. If I would your outburst would have been justified. I don't, I only infer a real picture of what going on. You look like a loon that run on your political emotions rather than reason.

where would you spend it if it were your personal choice?

That is a purely illusionary choice. Do you what me to debate a political propaganda slogan?
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
8 Mar 2020 #358
Plus I think things like that give him an image of 'swój chłop' appealing to part of the electorate.

I think the critical question is whether it wins him any votes. I don't think so - it reassures the existing PiS electorate, but not much else.
AntV 2 | 192
9 Mar 2020 #359
10 billion for TVP, nothing for cancer patients.

Was the money earmarked to go either to TVP or cancer patients and Duda chose TVP over cancer patients?
Torq 32 | 2,999
9 Mar 2020 #360
Well, the money was supposed to go to TVP, and then opposition proposed a bill that would redirect the money to cancer patients (a nice trick). Of course, the parliament rejected the opposition's proposal (as was easy to predict), and the president signed the earlier bill, giving the money to TVP. A little bit of demagoguery and half of Poland thinks that Duda took away the money from cancer patients and gave it to PiS's propaganda tube.

The political struggle in Poland is very dirty at the moment, and we will definitely see more of such tricks until May.


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