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Presidential elections 2020 - your opinions about campaign, candidates


delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
3 Mar 2020 #301
And yet again, "free market" Spike comes up the rescue of poorer Polish regions that are being propped up by Silesia.
Spike31 3 | 1,813
3 Mar 2020 #302
Nope, Spike only highlighted double standards of an estemeed forum member @delphiandomine

I love free market, it made me flourish. Just like it benefits every smart and hard working society. Post-com Poland is the best example of that.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
3 Mar 2020 #303
I love free market

dorzeczy.pl/kraj/121888/kontrowersyjna-wypowiedz-bosaka-dot-gospodarki-glos-zabral-korwin-mikke.html

Bosak doesn't. Bosak supports placing artificial restrictions on job creation, which is surely at odds with your "I love the free market" stance.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
3 Mar 2020 #304
Another day, another poll.

Duda: 41.2%
Kidawa-Błońska: 23.1%
WKK: 11.4%
Hołowina: 7.6%
Biedroń: 6.1%
Bosak: 4.8%

Concerning numbers for Duda.
johnny reb 27 | 4,672
3 Mar 2020 #305
'Warsaw is closer to Moscow than to Washington':

I would say that Moscow is becoming more like Poland.
I also think in in some ways Russia is following Poland's lead in government.
Have you seen the latest amendment's to ban same sex marriage just like Poland has.
Russia is becoming more like Poland.

msn.com/en-us/news/world/putins-new-amendments-revere-god-ban-same-sex-marriages/ar-BB10Ec0A?li=BBnbcA1

Any Polish candidate that campaigns on these same basic issues will gain the votes that may be needed to win the election.
Spike31 3 | 1,813
3 Mar 2020 #306
which is surely at odds with your "I love the free market" stance.

And you would be mistaken.

He is a national-capitalist and his overlook on economy is from a Polish perspective. I also believe that capitalism is a tool that should benefit Polish people first and foremost and should not be used as a tool of importing countless numbers of foreign workers in order to grow the economy.

And there are also other ways to do so: increasing productiveness, automation etc. which may be initially more expensive than importing cheap workforce from third world countries but in will pay off in the long term.

That's a short-sighted policy which Germany applied in 60's and 70's with their Turkish workers and now it is going to bite them in the ass since young Turks are being politically steered from Ankara.

dw.com/en/turks-in-germany-praise-our-leader-after-two-thirds-vote-for-erdogan/a-44378286
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
3 Mar 2020 #307
So in other words, Bosak is a communist who believes that the State is more important than the individual.

Glad we've cleared that one up. The free market talk is just a facade, really.
Spike31 3 | 1,813
3 Mar 2020 #308
Bosak is a communist who believes that the State is more important than the individual.

Bosak is a nationalist who believes that a long-term well being of Polish nation is more important than some short-term gains.

The free market talk is just a facade, really.

I think yu don't know what free market is: a free market is global exchange of goods and services and it has nothing to do with importing countless numbers of cheap workforce into the country.

"In economics, a free market is a system in which the prices for goods and services are self-regulated by the open market and by consumers"

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_market

Just face it, your wet multi-kulti dream will never materialize in Poland. Poland has learned from mistakes made by the West.
Torq 32 | 2,897
3 Mar 2020 #309
Spike, you're a good man--a patriot, and all that--but I really don't understand your infatuation with Bosak.

Bosak is a nationalist who believes that a long-term well being of Polish nation

I don't think he believes in anything. A professional "politician". Man with no real job, no trade, and no education. Politics saves his life, without politics he's nothing.

People like that will do whatever it takes, and will "believe" in whatever it takes to remain in politics.

Watch Bosak in the coming years. Observe him. See if he ever gets a real job, if he ever does one day of honest work. If that happens, I will admit that I was wrong.

I wouldn't hold my breath though...
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
3 Mar 2020 #310
Man with no real job, no trade, and no education

And no real prospects. He essentially piggybacked off Korwin, Winnicki and Braun to get into the Sejm.

His "look i got married" stunt was particularly laughable.

I think yu don't know what free market is

I know what a free market is, one in which employers are free to use the labour, services and materials that they wish in order to achieve their aims.

Bosak is just another neo-communist who believes that the State should direct and control people's lives.
Spike31 3 | 1,813
4 Mar 2020 #311
Politics saves his life, without politics he's nothing.

With some exceptions, ie. entrepreneurs and millionares like Marek Jakubiak, most of the MEP's in a parliament are professional politicians. Which is not a bad thing since they can dedicate their life to politics.

Yes, I would like them to be more entrepreneurial and more wealthy before they enter politics so they would understand how the economy works and also be less prone to corruption. Yet, we've got what we've got and we need to build up from here.

one in which employers are free to use the labour, services and materials that they wish in order to achieve their aims.

Sure, you can use all the labour which is legally available on the market. You can also delegate your work to be done outside of the country. You can also compete with other employers by raising wages and offering a better work environment.

The definition of free market says nothing about irregulated immigration from a third world though :-)
Torq 32 | 2,897
4 Mar 2020 #312
entrepreneurs and millionares like Marek Jakubiak

It's not about being a millionaire, it's about having ANY specific education; WKK is an MD, for example; we have teachers, engineers or tradesmen among our MPs, people who could function in the society, work, and do something useful with their lives outside of politics. Also, most of them worked in their respective professions before they entered politics.

It's different with Bosak. He doesn't have any concrete education, entered politics when he was 18 or 19, and never did anything else. Without politics he is a non-entity. He can't go back to medical practice, teaching or running a store if he leaves politics, so he will do everything it takes to remain on tax-payers' payroll. I don't trust such people.
Spike31 3 | 1,813
4 Mar 2020 #313
It's different with Bosak

I'm not counting on him to win the upcoming elections. K.Bosak is an incebreaker. His mission is to get Konfederacja more exposure in the mainstream media and to normalize National Movement in a public opinion. He is an eloquent and cool headed debater and that's what matters the most.

we have teachers, engineers or tradesmen among our MPs

Let's take a look at our previous presidents:

Andrzej Duda is a doctor of law.

Previous president, Bronislaw Komorowski is a historian.

Lech Kaczynski was also a lawyer.

Aleksander Kwasniewski studied economy but he never finished it and doesn't have any diploma. His education was a recurring joke back then and yet he won.

Lech "Bolek" Walesa finished trade school and doesn't even have matura.

So far it seems that presidents from PiS are/were the best educated ones in Polish politics.
cms neuf - | 1,752
4 Mar 2020 #314
If he is the most normal person they can find then that's a problem!
Ironside 49 | 10,481
5 Mar 2020 #315
WTF? They weren't looking for the most normal person whatever it is, they had an election and he won.

it's about having ANY specific education;

Oh come on, what politician in Poland has some specific education? what it even matters? You're just looking for issues.
AntV 2 | 273
6 Mar 2020 #316
If anyone read the Los Angeles Times, one would think Biedron is on the verge of not only toppling the Polish political establishment, but emerging victorious in his moral crusade to reimagine Polish culture.

latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-03-05/poland-presidential-candidate-robert-biedron

Is his message resonating much in Poland? Does he have a realistic chance?
Spike31 3 | 1,813
6 Mar 2020 #317
LA Times is completely detached from reality. Even a political propaganda has its limits and when pushed too far it becomes a grotesque...
OP pawian 173 | 12,713
6 Mar 2020 #318
Yes. E.g., stupid journalists and silly opposition jeer at the President who signed new law for railway development at the forgotten armpit station in the countryside. Fools! Unable to appreciate such a great sense of humour.



NoToForeigners 10 | 1,054
6 Mar 2020 #319
@Crow
Wałęsa is a crazy old fart and an ex-communist regime agent. NEVER listen to what that lunatic says. NEVER.

Poles do not need Serbs as advisors....now just go away and annoy Yugoslavs instead.....

Don't tell us what we need or not, bloody foreigner.
@pawian
Its awsome and literal. I love trains
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
6 Mar 2020 #320
It's embarrassing and shows that he has no respect for the office.

Anyway, Duda has been putting off the decision on whether or not to give 2 billion PLN to TVP, and he has until midnight to decide what to do. Unofficially, the hated Jacek Kurski has got the sack from TVP (as demanded by many people within PiS, not just by Duda), which points at Duda choosing to give 2bn to TVP rather than to cancer patients.

If Kurski goes, Kaczyński will have lost one of his most important generals.
dolnoslask 5 | 2,946
6 Mar 2020 #321
2bn to TVP rather than to cancer patients.

Sounds just like the corrupt biased commie UK BBC that uses criminal law to force the British public to pay a licence fee, politicians hehe interesting that poland has the same $hite.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
7 Mar 2020 #322
So, as speculated, Duda signed the law giving 2bn to TVP rather than cancer patients. Kurski will be sacked on Monday as a result from TVP, which was Duda's condition of agreeing to sign the law.

It may well be Duda's death warrant. Politicians from across the political spectrum have been attacking him for it, and Bosak is demanding an urgent investigation by the Supreme Audit Office into TVP's finances. Meanwhile, politicians from PiS are also clearly not happy with Kurski getting the sack, as he's been very reliable with producing propaganda.
Torq 32 | 2,897
7 Mar 2020 #323
So, as speculated, Duda signed the law giving 2bn to TVP rather than cancer patients.

Has anyone really expected him not to sign it? Why should he, all of a sudden, become independent from PiS a couple of months before presidential elections?
mafketis 24 | 8,741
7 Mar 2020 #324
Duda signed the law

What was up with Morawiecki's body language in that announcement? Just weirder than ever....

Even the dimmest of the PiS loyalists have to realize now that PiS will never do anything to improve the healthcare system...
Lenka 3 | 2,083
7 Mar 2020 #325
The employees and Solidarnosc were begging for that law to be signed. Apparently the TV finances are that bad. And that is the same institution that had budged surplus...
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
7 Mar 2020 #326
Has anyone really expected him not to sign it?

I think he knew just how bad the backlash was going to be, and so he wisely tried to limit the damage by demanding Kurski's head as the price of his signature. He clearly pushed Kaczyński into a corner, and you have to wonder what will happen now - Kurski is one of Kaczyński's most loyal comrades, after all.

He's made the most of an impossible situation, but it's still a huge loss for him. Biedroń, Hołowina, MKB, WKK and Bosak have all absolutely torn into him for it, as have their supporters, and it's clear that "Duda gave 2bn to TVP rather than cancer patients" will be repeated time, time and time again.
jon357 63 | 15,207
7 Mar 2020 #327
With an elderly and/or poor voter base, mucking about with cancer treatment is far from being a vote-winner.

I wonder what Kurski will do next...
Torq 32 | 2,897
7 Mar 2020 #328
@pawian

Nice photo. Unfortunately it's not a new phenomenon.







"Duda gave 2bn to TVP rather than cancer patients"

Giving 2 billion extra, on top of all the money they already have, to TVP is a scandal in itself, and one could find a 1000 better ways of spending that money.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
7 Mar 2020 #329
I wonder what Kurski will do next...

I'd be shocked if he didn't take his revenge on Duda.
jon357 63 | 15,207
7 Mar 2020 #330
We've certainly not heard the last of him.

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