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OP pawian 170 | 11,264
25 Feb 2020 #271
A lot can happen until May, but unless Duda changes something drastically about his campaign, he's going to lose shamefully.

Seeing Duda lose support, PiS will announce another Wunderwaffe. E..g, lower retirement age or increase of pensions. The elderly will like it, of course.
Spike31 3 | 1,610
25 Feb 2020 #272
he's spent more time defending Duda than actually talking about Bosak.

Duda is the second best candidate after K.Bosak. I don't live I a fairy land and I know that Bosak doesn't stand much chance to win this elections. Duda guarantees that the judiciary system reforms will be continued. And that's why I'm going to vote for him in a second ballot.

It's interesting to see how Spike gets more and more worried as the bad news continues to come in.

This thread is a loose conversation in english between forum member from around the world and it doesn't have any significant impact on the actual elections. I think you greatly overestimate the influence of https://polishforums.com, especially in Poland.

alexa.com/siteinfo/https://polishforums.com

I've been involved in building a conservative political websites with much actual traffic numbers in Poland and which are targetted specifically for Polish voters. And they are run by a dedicated and ideological groups of young people. That's where I could make a real impact on politics.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
25 Feb 2020 #273
And that's why I'm going to vote for him in a second ballot.

You're voting for Duda so that he can pack courts with PiS loyalists? That doesn't bode well for Konfederacja, given that Konfederacja are a risk to PiS. First Międlar will go down, the rest will follow.

Filled with news from Sputnik, no doubt. Such websites are of minimal influence in Poland, especially when compared to the major news portals. There's hundreds of these sites, and none of them enjoy any real popularity. Elections are won by hard work, not by people making fringe websites.

Still, it's such a pleasure to make the maximum donations allowable under Polish law to Platforma, knowing that PiS supporters will explode with rage when Duda loses.
Spike31 3 | 1,610
26 Feb 2020 #274
Such websites are of minimal influence in Poland

Have you ever wondered how a small political party, without large funds and the access to a mainstream media, as Konfederacja have entered a Polish parliament? The power of the internet, that's how. I'm just glad that I could contribute to it.
Crow 139 | 8,567
27 Feb 2020 #275
Chose wisely Sarmats of Poland, my most venerable and noble sisters and brothers, Poljaci, Kashubi, Silesiani, Gorali, Kursenieki, Luzichani, Lemkosi, Oledrzi, Mazuri and others. Chose wisely. Morning of Sarmatia is at hand and we need wise leaders, so we retake throne that belongs to us since time immemorial. Sarmatians, reclaimers.

God bless you all. God bless Poland and elections in Poland.

s

Sons of Dragon gathering
Miloslaw 7 | 3,221
27 Feb 2020 #276
@Crow

Poles do not need Serbs as advisors....now just go away and annoy Yugoslavs instead.....
Crow 139 | 8,567
28 Feb 2020 #277
@Miloslaw

Election euphoria yet to start, so don`t cry like an old woman. And even if Poles wouldn`t need Serbs to hear their opinion, all other brethren who live in Poland would need... Kashubi, Silesiani, Gorali, Kursenieki, Luzichani, Lemkosi, Oledrzi, Mazuri, etc. But, we know, Poles do need.

After all, you know who is Champion of Polonia here in the region? You know who receiving funds of Polonia via especially formed company? Of course, I talk of Serbs. Of Racowie. Because brat Lewandowski and all Polonia love us very much and invest wisely.
Spike31 3 | 1,610
29 Feb 2020 #278
And even if Poles wouldn`t need Serbs

Miloslaw is right; when it comes to politics a Serbian voice is presently non existent in Poland. It is not that Poland wouldn't like to listen, it's just that Serbia doesn't have much to communicate to the ouside world, and to Poland, these days. And if it does, it doesn't get through to us.

Kashubi, Silesiani, Gorali, Kursenieki, Luzichani, Lemkosi, Oledrzi, Mazuri

Each of those groups, Silesians included, indentifies as Poles first and formemost. And Luzichani, Lemkosi, Oledrzi, Mazuri are extincted as separate groups. Being Polish is just attractive enough so that there're no fuel for any significant autonomy movememnts .

Even a German-sponsored "Silesian Autonomy Movement" has completely lost its momentum and dissapeared as a political organization of any importance. That was even publicly stated by its leader last year.
Crow 139 | 8,567
29 Feb 2020 #279
Each of those groups, Silesians included, indentifies as Poles first and formemost.

You have wrong info.

Kashubi for example, who in past had one of their oldest Capital named Belgrade, consider themselves Kashubs, Serbs and Poles, while also says that in past they were only Serbs. After all they have language closer to Balkan Serbian then to Polish what is not surprising to us who knows for ancient Sarmatian line from Balkan to Baltic when Europe first time was populated after Ice age.

MUST SEE TO OPEN YOU EYES
>>>> youtube.com/watch?v=h8QCGg9MYRE

As Kashubs themselves say they were victims of Germanization and then also forced Polonization, what is to me abominable considering Poles themselves were Serbs in past. Man, Germans were Serbs in past. Proof how madness don`t have boundaries. Sure, no boundaries but there is Rome.

That is just one example.

Even a German-sponsored "Silesian Autonomy Movement" has completely lost its momentum

Expected. Other worries now. Soon we will have German Autonomy Movement within Germany.
Torq 32 | 2,999
29 Feb 2020 #280
Kashubi for example, who in past had (...) Capital named Belgrade, consider themselves Kashubs, Serbs and Poles (...) in past they were only Serbs.

*facepalm*

Crow, please remember that there are people on this forum who actually live in Kashubia/Pomerania, so take this into account before you start spouting your blatant nonsense again. :) Every Kashuba (not Kashub, by the way) considers himself first and foremost a Pole, and their connection to Poland is irreversible; as the old Kashubian proverb says...

"Nie ma Kaszëb bez Polonii, a bez Kaszëb Polśczi."

... I trust I don't have to provide you with translation?
Crow 139 | 8,567
29 Feb 2020 #281
"Nie ma Kaszëb bez Polonii, a bez Kaszëb Polśczi."

Yes, that could be seen on that video. Go on 07:01 and later go on 14:02 >>>> youtube.com/watch?v=h8QCGg9MYRE

Kashubi `married` Poland with Baltic sea. Antonio Abraham and General Haleb secured Baltic to Poland. Baltic that is ancient land of Kashubs (ie Serbs!- as Kashubs themselves say and history remembers) and in past entire Baltic was called `Ocenaus Sarmatiucs (Serbian ocean)`. So Kashubs decided to live in Poland not in Prussia and after the WWI Poland thanked them with forced Polonization. Very ``nice``. Look how on video Kashubs themsleves speak about discoloration in Polish army. Shame.

We Serbs coming back and we will bring balance. Kashubs are Kashubs and Serbs. And they Poles when they want that and we Serbs from Balkan support them to be Poles. With Poland confronted to Serbia, Kashubs would be Serbs. So, Poland would be in balance of `Sarmatism` once again.

You Torq think you can BS to me, don`t. Crow knows.
Torq 32 | 2,999
29 Feb 2020 #282
It is only the time of Lent that's stopping me from explaining to you exactly how much you know, Crow.

Stop watching your silly television and stop lecturing me on what Kashubs are, while you are sitting thousands of kilometres away from here, somewhere east of Bosnia. Get a grip of yourself.
Crow 139 | 8,567
29 Feb 2020 #283
Anyway, my wish is that after elections Poland become one more sensible state, more honest, with more justice, less hypocritical, first Slavic and just then Catholic, more proud of its Slavic heritage, more independent from Rome and state of Vatican with tendency to form its own autonomous national Catholic Church, more independent from western Europe, more free for all Slavs who live on soil of Poland, more educated, less naive.

That for start. At the end of process I would like to see revival of `Sarmatism` in Poland.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
29 Feb 2020 #284
Even a German-sponsored "Silesian Autonomy Movement" has completely lost its momentum

That issue won't go away, especially given the large fiscal transfers from Silesia to poorer parts of Poland.

Torq, WKK is getting a lot of praise for his performance today. I haven't seen it - is it justified?
Torq 32 | 2,999
29 Feb 2020 #285
Torq, WKK is getting a lot of praise for his performance today. I haven't seen it - is it justified?

I missed it, but my mother-in-law called and told me she was moved by the speech. :)

its own autonomous national Catholic Church

We have one...

pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ko%C5%9Bci%C3%B3%C5%82_Polskokatolicki_w_Rzeczypospolitej_Polskiej

... about 18,000 faithful strong :)
Ironside 49 | 10,282
29 Feb 2020 #286
given the large fiscal transfers from Silesia to poorer parts of Poland.

Yeah sure, those myths are worldwide popular.

irst Slavic and just then Catholic,

You're talking nonsense Crow. You just a clueless plonker. Stop it.

me she was moved by the speech. :)

A good show? Cool, on the other hand given the state and level of the opposition in Poland, anyone can do great.
Crow 139 | 8,567
29 Feb 2020 #287
We have one... about 18,000 faithful strong

You do? But why only 18,000?

Why more trust to Pope and not to your own autonomous national Catholic Church? Pope of Rome, Patriarch of Constantinople, Grand Mufti of Mecca and Medina, its all the same. All globalists. Like communism and comrade Stalin. All globalism, brate. Much better to be loyal to national Christian Church.

You're talking nonsense Crow. You just a clueless plonker. Stop it.

Me talk nonsense? Don`t you feel shame Irone. If you aren`t Slavic first then you are globalist. Yesterday you was comrade. Today you are acolyte or what? Why can`t you be normal Catholic, ethnic first and then faithful. Man, Muslims are Islam first and ethnic second.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
1 Mar 2020 #288
And so Slovakia has decisively rejected rhetoric and populism. The likely new PM has made it clear that he intends to anchor Slovakia firmly within the EU, and it's a huge win for liberals against populists.

Duda continues to face opposition at almost every campaign stop, and he must be praying for the coronavirus to go away at this point. The Polish stock market was decimated this week too, and both Kidawa-Błońska and WKK have had strong conventions.
cms neuf - | 1,573
1 Mar 2020 #289
Difference is that by being in the Euro it's not so easy for the Slovak govt to give taxpayers money away to the people who don't pay taxes.

Still hopeful however that we will see a change in Poland - Duda is just far too weak for a big country.
Crow 139 | 8,567
1 Mar 2020 #290
Brat Walesa giving interesting comments in the wake of new elections in Poland. Interesting timing. In any case I support this way of thinking, speaking and doing >>

'Warsaw is closer to Moscow than to Washington': Polish ex-president Walesa vows to break ice with Russia

defenddemocracy.press/37081-2/

When we quarrel, only third parties win. Warsaw was always closer to Moscow than to Washington.

Poland should have good relations with both, with USA and with Russia.
NoToForeigners 10 | 1,062
1 Mar 2020 #291
@Crow
Wałęsa is a crazy old fart and an ex-communist regime agent. NEVER listen to what that lunatic says. NEVER.

Poles do not need Serbs as advisors....now just go away and annoy Yugoslavs instead.....

Don't tell us what we need or what we do not, bloody foreigner.
Crow 139 | 8,567
1 Mar 2020 #292
Wałęsa is a crazy old fart and an ex-communist regime agent. NEVER listen to what that lunatic says. NEVER.

I know what you mean. He is deranged, especially after he was raped at London airport. Poor man. But maybe that experience helped him to see better. He is right about Polish-Russian relations. I know that we Serbs see our interest in it. Time is that we all turn Slavic world into better place and machine for good business. All out of that is peripheral, private and technical detail. Truly, no reason third party to profit on inter-Slavic problems. At the same time, nobody speaks of Slavic unity but of interests that we share.
OP pawian 170 | 11,264
1 Mar 2020 #293
WKK is getting a lot of praise for his performance today.

It was a nice blow to PiS who criticize KK for his words: I won`t let them make another Adrian out of me. :):)

Also, KK`s wife promised to be different than the First Silent Lady now.

fakty.interia.pl/raporty/raport-wybory-prezydenckie-2020/aktualnosci/news-mucha-kosiniak-kamysz-w-sposob-malo-elegancki-zabiega-o-glos,nId,4356354
Ironside 49 | 10,282
1 Mar 2020 #294
lso, KK`s wife promised to be different than the First Silent Lady now.

That actually is not a good thing. If she want to take an active part in the politicks she should run for an office. As a wife of an elected official she should just shut her trap and stay put. Looking good in the picture is a bonus.

KK for his words

Yes, promises promises, can he be trusted? Judging by the merit and history of his party - not at all.
OP pawian 170 | 11,264
1 Mar 2020 #295
As a wife of an elected official she should just shut her trap and stay put.

That is a very conservative male chauvinist thinking. :):) Fortunately, a lot of Polish female voters think different. They will gladly vote for a male president if he is backed up by a reasonable woman.

Yes, promises promises, can he be trusted? Judging by the merit and history of his party - not at all.

Yes, party is good-for-nothing. But Kamysz said: I won`t let them make another Adrian of me. I think he is going to keep his word about it.
Ironside 49 | 10,282
1 Mar 2020 #296
hat is a very conservative male chauvinist thinki

No, that is a very democratic thinking as a citizen should. Why would a wife of some dude put her two cents into the fry. she wasn't elected. She has no clue.

OK, I put it another way. You call an expert to your house to fix something, his wife shows up (isn't an expert) and starts to express her opinion as to what and how need to be fixed. What would you do? Pay her the money and listen to her or just kick he ass out and call someone else?

Don't be outdated and a chauvinist and pay twice for the same thing.

I think he is going to keep his word about it.

The evidence is stacked against your belief but maybe you will be lucky.
OP pawian 170 | 11,264
1 Mar 2020 #297
You call an expert to your house to fix something, his wife shows up (isn't an expert) and starts to express her opinion

His wife can be expert`s assistant and advise him how to do sth. Also, she may draw his attention to details he overlooks coz he thinks too globally. Who said she is going to decide about crucial matters???

Pay her the money and listen to her

As for paying, the expert is paid already so he can share with his wife. As for listening, a wise person listens to everybody and then draws his or her own conclusions. I thought it it obvious. :)

The evidence is stacked against your belief but maybe you will be lucky.

One thing is for sure - he won`t act like that PiS puppet and clown Duda. :):)
Ironside 49 | 10,282
1 Mar 2020 #298
His wife can be expert`s assistant and advise him how to do sth.

Maybe you should heed your own advice and ask your wife to help you make some sense while you posting here. You clearly need it.
OP pawian 170 | 11,264
1 Mar 2020 #299
No, my wife doesn`t deal with such banalities as my fun in various fora. She is much above it. But I think she is glad I am occupied with it at home, instead of looking for fun outside. :):):)
Spike31 3 | 1,610
3 Mar 2020 #300
That issue won't go away, especially given the large fiscal transfers from Silesia to poorer parts of Poland.

Well, since you're Scottish you must know that quite well from your own neighbourhood. Fiscal transfers between different parts of the UK didn't break Britain, right? You're unionist so answer it wisely :-)

That said there other regions in Poland that donated Silesia for decades, and especially during PRL era.

But I think she is glad I am occupied with it at home, instead of looking for fun outside

At your age 'fun outside' stands for mushroom picking :-) I bet she wouldn't mind that.


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