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Polish President vetoes PO's dingbat gender law


delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
24 Jan 2016 #91
You're the one that couldn't even provide a simple definition. Must be the age old problem with PiS members : limited vocabulary and not much in the way of brains.
NocyMrok
24 Jan 2016 #92
however the fact that he's gay (half the TV/theatre industry are and so is Jaroslaw Kaczynski )

Part in bold is so called "false allegation" and it's an offence. In Poland it is punished with either a fine, a probation or a sentence for jail up to two years. If I was you I'd keep the hatred deep inside to avoid any eventual problems with Polish law.

limited vocabulary

And how unlimited is your Polish vocabulary while you're manifesting on the streets of country you don't belong to? Do you even understand what they shout? Do you even understand what's written on those banners? I doubt it lol
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
24 Jan 2016 #93
Just a point, but plenty of people have openly outed him for years. No-one has ever had any trouble because of it - not least because there's no way Jarek would risk it all coming out in court.
NocyMrok
24 Jan 2016 #94
It's still a criminal offence. Doesn't matter if Kaczyński bothers to take it anywhere or not. What you're saying is like "killing a man is OK because no one has found the body".
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
24 Jan 2016 #95
It's only a criminal offence if it's not true.

Do you honestly think any prosecutor is going to want to try and prove that it's a lie, given that it's repeated constantly and openly in Polish society?
NocyMrok
24 Jan 2016 #96
Kaczyński wouldn't have to prove anything. Jon would have to prove it right and there are 0 chances for him achieving that.
jon357 71 | 20,365
24 Jan 2016 #97
It shows that you don't know much about the law here. I'll happily remind anyone that I'm probably the only person here who has seen Jaroslaw Kaczynski naked and sexually aroused. It was in 2002, by the way. I can name the time and place and the people who were there too.

And the other witnesses who would be happy to corroborate...
NocyMrok
24 Jan 2016 #98
Evidence is what counts. No judge will believe in your revelations just because you say so.
jon357 71 | 20,365
24 Jan 2016 #99
Legally, by the way, it's only a false accusation if it can be proven false (unfortunately, given the people who want money from Sir Jimmy Savile's estate). I could, if called upon, prove it true by the testimony of disinterested witnesses who would I can assure you have a lot more to say about his behaviour than I choose to.
NocyMrok
24 Jan 2016 #100
Still no evidence. I can find witnesses that will confirm I have put my foot on the surface of the Moon. Question of money.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
24 Jan 2016 #101
Evidence is what counts. No judge will believe in your revelations just because you say so.

You really don't know much about how the Polish legal system works, do you?

Jon would have nothing to fear in a criminal prosecution, as the burden of proof would be on the prosecutor to prove that an offence has been committed. Polish law works on the inquisitorial system, which means that the judge is obliged to find out the truth It would be nearly impossible for any judge to rule that a crime has been committed if many witnesses independent of each other step up to confirm what Jon said.

I'm almost certain Kaczyński wouldn't want the utter humiliation of having his sex life revealed in court. The international media would have a field day printing the transcripts, and his reputation would be in tatters by the end of it. That's exactly why no-one has ever taken President Wałęsa to court over it.

As for evidence, as has been said, it would be up to the prosecutor to prove that it's false.
jon357 71 | 20,365
24 Jan 2016 #102
Still no evidenc

Sure of that, are you?

I can find witnesses that will confirm I have put my foot on the surface of the Moon

And their testimony would stand up in court would it?

Question of money.

Who mentioned money. This is simple truth, backed up by witnesses. And yes, a grainy and vague but nevertheless compelling photo...........
NocyMrok
24 Jan 2016 #103
a photo

Would be evidence.
jon357 71 | 20,365
24 Jan 2016 #104
Not "would be", bardziej "is"...

Interesting though that you talk about false allegations. A false allegation of what exactly? That someone wasn't wearing clothes?

Lol
NocyMrok
24 Jan 2016 #105
Why won't you publish it somewhere then. I'd like to see it. Mind you I said many times I'm not a PiS supporter and I don't even like Kaczyński (both of them actually). Anyways you must live some bizzare life to witness such things. Yuk!

No jon. You called Kaczynski gay.
jon357 71 | 20,365
24 Jan 2016 #106
Nope, all, normal, all legal and all true (and verifiable).

If you're interested (and you are, since your hostility to homosexuality suggests that you find men attractive and can't handle that) it looks a bit like a thumb. I'd look forward to see him easing it out of his flies in court in a vain attempt to prove otherwise.
NocyMrok
24 Jan 2016 #107
since your hostility to homosexuality suggests that you find men attractive and can't handle that

Typical unintelligent pseudo-scientific comment of yours. If I find Nazists disgusting I must find them attractive. All gays are so limited?
jon357 71 | 20,365
24 Jan 2016 #108
If I find Nazists disgusting I must find them attractiv

Your political comments here suggest that you actually do.

However yes, your posts about homosexual man on man action suggest that you do actually give the matter plenty of thought.

Though you wish you didn't....
NocyMrok
24 Jan 2016 #109
No. I just wonder why people are talking nonsense and think nonsense. You are the one and happen to be gay too. I just try to understand if being gay instantly forces one to spout nonsense around.
jon357 71 | 20,365
24 Jan 2016 #110
That's probably one of the weakest posts ever here. What not download Grindr. Half of PiS use it.

Anyway, maybe we should continue this conversation in random chat. This thread is about PiS' crimes.

My thread about pulling the adverts for rubbish segregation was merged by mods into this thread (even though no crime occurred as far as I can be bothed to figure out - lawyers may have a different idea) and it's all a bit sad. The presenter of Polish Masterchef is a lovely person, a great role model for the young and he really is one of the best.
NocyMrok
24 Jan 2016 #111
The presenter of Polish Masterchef

He's ok but definitely not someone youth of Poland should treat as any authority in matters of family and relationships.

Anyways time for me. Only degenerated leftists and illicit to Poland foreigners left online.
jon357 71 | 20,365
24 Jan 2016 #112
family and relationships

In what way is trash segregation and recycling about family and relationships?

But if you want to talk about that (I should declare he that he's only a slight social acquaintance rather than a bosom pal and I've never seen him on to, not having a tv set) I think he'd be an ideal role model about how to live.
NocyMrok
24 Jan 2016 #113
In what way is trash segregation and recycling about family and relationships

It is not. My 1st post in the advert thread was about banning gender ideology and homo/bisexualism etc promotion in media.
I've seen both of those spots he appears in. The one with two lads was a bit too much since they were presented as a couple but the other with the guy being Santa showed a normal family and it wasn't right to take it off air.
jon357 71 | 20,365
24 Jan 2016 #114
banning gender ideology

What is 'gender ideology'? You still fail to define what you're trying to talk about.

The one with two lads was a bit too much since they were presented as a couple

In the dreams you try so hard to avoid, maybe.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
24 Jan 2016 #115
fail to define

So why don't you define it for us being someone knowledgeable about anatomy's nether regions. What exactly did PO enact in their gender act? Is gender some supreme, overriding concept as some feminists contend and should therefore be introduced here, there and everywhere.
Borsukrates 5 | 131
25 Jan 2016 #116
ou still fail to define what you're trying to talk about.

"Gender ideology" - that's how strict people label relationships outside of:
one straight male + one straight female.

Also, when a man or a woman wears anything unpredictable.



jon357 71 | 20,365
25 Jan 2016 #117
"Gender ideology" - that's how strict people label relationships outside of:
one straight male + one straight female.

Largely in Poland.

This thread title really does need changing.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
25 Jan 2016 #118
does need changin

Before it's changed, why don't you finally define gender as it is used in the PO's gender law. Also please explain why feminists believe it is so important that they have actually pressured American universities to introduce "gender studies". If there's that much hoopla surrounding it, it must be of some significance that goes beyond the Polish Epsicopate not liking it, You are supremely qualified in that area so why not share your expertise with PF?
jon357 71 | 20,365
25 Jan 2016 #119
It just isn't an issue, except for the extreme right wing in Poland whose followers need to be afraid of something.

And the silliness that ensues - like pulling perfectly innocuous adverts, a typical PiS blunder.
NocyMrok
25 Jan 2016 #120
"Gender ideology" - that's how strict people label relationships outside of:
one straight male + one straight female.

Gender ideology is what sick worshippers of religion of tolerance use to try and convince normal folks that such stuff is normal and shouldn't be (wrongly) considered a mental disease.

Don't tell me that is w normal when a healthy guy does something like this:

(horrific stuff. Be warned)

youtu.be/Ydh4B6Eu4RM


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