Polish President vetoes PO's dingbat gender law

You're the one that couldn't even provide a simple definition. Must be the age old problem with PiS members : limited vocabulary and not much in the way of brains.

Part in bold is so called "false allegation" and it's an offence. In Poland it is punished with either a fine, a probation or a sentence for jail up to two years. If I was you I'd keep the hatred deep inside to avoid any eventual problems with Polish law.


And how unlimited is your Polish vocabulary while you're manifesting on the streets of country you don't belong to? Do you even understand what they shout? Do you even understand what's written on those banners? I doubt it lol

Just a point, but plenty of people have openly outed him for years. No-one has ever had any trouble because of it - not least because there's no way Jarek would risk it all coming out in court.

It's still a criminal offence. Doesn't matter if Kaczyński bothers to take it anywhere or not. What you're saying is like "killing a man is OK because no one has found the body".

It's only a criminal offence if it's not true.

Do you honestly think any prosecutor is going to want to try and prove that it's a lie, given that it's repeated constantly and openly in Polish society?

Kaczyński wouldn't have to prove anything. Jon would have to prove it right and there are 0 chances for him achieving that.

It shows that you don't know much about the law here. I'll happily remind anyone that I'm probably the only person here who has seen Jaroslaw Kaczynski naked and sexually aroused. It was in 2002, by the way. I can name the time and place and the people who were there too.

And the other witnesses who would be happy to corroborate...

Evidence is what counts. No judge will believe in your revelations just because you say so.

Legally, by the way, it's only a false accusation if it can be proven false (unfortunately, given the people who want money from Sir Jimmy Savile's estate). I could, if called upon, prove it true by the testimony of disinterested witnesses who would I can assure you have a lot more to say about his behaviour than I choose to.

Still no evidence. I can find witnesses that will confirm I have put my foot on the surface of the Moon. Question of money.

You really don't know much about how the Polish legal system works, do you?

Jon would have nothing to fear in a criminal prosecution, as the burden of proof would be on the prosecutor to prove that an offence has been committed. Polish law works on the inquisitorial system, which means that the judge is obliged to find out the truth It would be nearly impossible for any judge to rule that a crime has been committed if many witnesses independent of each other step up to confirm what Jon said.

I'm almost certain Kaczyński wouldn't want the utter humiliation of having his sex life revealed in court. The international media would have a field day printing the transcripts, and his reputation would be in tatters by the end of it. That's exactly why no-one has ever taken President Wałęsa to court over it.

As for evidence, as has been said, it would be up to the prosecutor to prove that it's false.

Sure of that, are you?


And their testimony would stand up in court would it?


Who mentioned money. This is simple truth, backed up by witnesses. And yes, a grainy and vague but nevertheless compelling photo...........

Would be evidence.

Not "would be", bardziej "is"...

Interesting though that you talk about false allegations. A false allegation of what exactly? That someone wasn't wearing clothes?

Lol

Why won't you publish it somewhere then. I'd like to see it. Mind you I said many times I'm not a PiS supporter and I don't even like Kaczyński (both of them actually). Anyways you must live some bizzare life to witness such things. Yuk!

No jon. You called Kaczynski gay.

Nope, all, normal, all legal and all true (and verifiable).

If you're interested (and you are, since your hostility to homosexuality suggests that you find men attractive and can't handle that) it looks a bit like a thumb. I'd look forward to see him easing it out of his flies in court in a vain attempt to prove otherwise.

Typical unintelligent pseudo-scientific comment of yours. If I find Nazists disgusting I must find them attractive. All gays are so limited?

Your political comments here suggest that you actually do.

However yes, your posts about homosexual man on man action suggest that you do actually give the matter plenty of thought.

Though you wish you didn't....

No. I just wonder why people are talking nonsense and think nonsense. You are the one and happen to be gay too. I just try to understand if being gay instantly forces one to spout nonsense around.

That's probably one of the weakest posts ever here. What not download Grindr. Half of PiS use it.

Anyway, maybe we should continue this conversation in random chat. This thread is about PiS' crimes.

My thread about pulling the adverts for rubbish segregation was merged by mods into this thread (even though no crime occurred as far as I can be bothed to figure out - lawyers may have a different idea) and it's all a bit sad. The presenter of Polish Masterchef is a lovely person, a great role model for the young and he really is one of the best.

He's ok but definitely not someone youth of Poland should treat as any authority in matters of family and relationships.

Anyways time for me. Only degenerated leftists and illicit to Poland foreigners left online.

In what way is trash segregation and recycling about family and relationships?

But if you want to talk about that (I should declare he that he's only a slight social acquaintance rather than a bosom pal and I've never seen him on to, not having a tv set) I think he'd be an ideal role model about how to live.

It is not. My 1st post in the advert thread was about banning gender ideology and homo/bisexualism etc promotion in media.
I've seen both of those spots he appears in. The one with two lads was a bit too much since they were presented as a couple but the other with the guy being Santa showed a normal family and it wasn't right to take it off air.

What is 'gender ideology'? You still fail to define what you're trying to talk about.


In the dreams you try so hard to avoid, maybe.

So why don't you define it for us being someone knowledgeable about anatomy's nether regions. What exactly did PO enact in their gender act? Is gender some supreme, overriding concept as some feminists contend and should therefore be introduced here, there and everywhere.

"Gender ideology" - that's how strict people label relationships outside of:
one straight male + one straight female.

Also, when a man or a woman wears anything unpredictable.

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Largely in Poland.

This thread title really does need changing.

Before it's changed, why don't you finally define gender as it is used in the PO's gender law. Also please explain why feminists believe it is so important that they have actually pressured American universities to introduce "gender studies". If there's that much hoopla surrounding it, it must be of some significance that goes beyond the Polish Epsicopate not liking it, You are supremely qualified in that area so why not share your expertise with PF?

It just isn't an issue, except for the extreme right wing in Poland whose followers need to be afraid of something.

And the silliness that ensues - like pulling perfectly innocuous adverts, a typical PiS blunder.

Gender ideology is what sick worshippers of religion of tolerance use to try and convince normal folks that such stuff is normal and shouldn't be (wrongly) considered a mental disease.

Don't tell me that is w normal when a healthy guy does something like this:

(horrific stuff. Be warned)

youtu.be/Ydh4B6Eu4RM