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Years of Poland in the EU - assessment of pros and cons


Miloslaw 15 | 4,813
27 Aug 2022 #961
I guess the best option for Poland would be to leave the EU.

In the short term, maybe not.
But long term, Poland needs to get out of this false unification of Europe as quickly as it can.
It will be painful, as Brexit has proved for Briitain,because France and Germany want to make us pay for that decision.
But it will be the right move for Poland in the long run.
OP pawian 200 | 21,106
31 Oct 2022 #962
Rightists are getting really desperate coz the EU is still blocking covid recovery funds and is threatening to withhold further funds from the EU budget for Poland. Why? The same old matter - namely, constant abuse of the independence of the judiciary by PiS.

PiS has realised at last that the EU isn`t joking and doesn`t fall for any fake reforms they were pretending to introduce before. Now there have to be real reforms or PiS gov won`t get any money from the EU.

Amassing situation - they must be feeling like a rat cornered in the basement. hahahaha
Alien 12 | 2,623
31 Oct 2022 #963
@pawian; like a rat cornered in the basement.....
Say straight away - like putin.
Kashub1410 5 | 482
31 Oct 2022 #964
@Miloslaw
U.K isn't Catholic so it was to be expected for them to set national interests over European peaceful co-existence.

If anything Russia-Ukraine conflict has shown that the reason for E.U's existence is still valid.

If you got an issue with the leadership in the EU. Perhaps you can try to change it?
OP pawian 200 | 21,106
31 Oct 2022 #965
like a rat cornered in the basement....

They are between the hammer and anvil right now - back off and do as the EU says and lose their hardline voters or stick to their rightard agenda of destroying the independence of judiciary and kiss goodbye to the funds.



Kashub1410 5 | 482
31 Oct 2022 #966
@pawian
You might check if they are planning to change their party name then.

Their concept is all about judiciary reform, opposition is going to have to give them something to chew on in the meantime. I don't know? Own judiciary reform which they could accept for the time being?
Crnogorac3 2 | 840
1 Nov 2022 #967
t.me/hotptakes/4551

The trend for courts to force progressivity continues.

In Poland, a Warsaw judge accused the organization Stop LGBT of 'promoting totalitarianism' because they fight against LGBT propaganda such as lobbying to legalize marriage between sexually deviant individuals.

The contradiction comes from the fact that in the Constitution of Poland, marriage is only between a man and a woman, therefore the agitation for homosexual marriage would be unconstitutional.

Progressivism marches through institutions - the highest courts.
Miloslaw 15 | 4,813
1 Nov 2022 #968
Yeah, how are your Ruski friends doing in Ukraine is more important than the subjects that you are currently forced to focus on.....hahahaha!
Miloslaw 15 | 4,813
1 Nov 2022 #969
Back on topic, Poland has done well as a member of the EU.
But now the EU seems to be pushing a bit too hard.
Kashub1410 5 | 482
2 Nov 2022 #970
@Miloslaw
Their goal is to combat any possible national sentiment as it's part of leftist ideals to become equal (identical) in the fashion of how leftists want things to be.

Create a international community that has more to say over national institutions which therefore tries to fight any national interests.

Businesses happily endorse this due to a global reach and increasing likelyhood of recruiting employees without national boundaries.

EU suits the catholic church in terms of a step to unify people in general and more importantly christianity.

EU seeks to avoid European warfare, which again fuels the drive and need for EU when Russia invaded Ukraine.
Novichok 3 | 7,474
2 Nov 2022 #971
If only Poland turned to Germany and France for its defense needs...
Oops...I forgot Portugal, Spain, Italy, and Greece...hahahahahahaha...
Poland didn't because Poland knows that nobody threatens Poland.
mafketis 35 | 11,498
2 Nov 2022 #972
nobody threatens Poland.

Because Poland is in NATO... hey russia.... feelin' lucky?
Novichok 3 | 7,474
2 Nov 2022 #973
Who threaten Poland before Poland joined NATO, genius?
mafketis 35 | 11,498
2 Nov 2022 #974
Poland joining NATO was a preemptive defensive measure against russian aggression.

The idea is join before you need it cause russia is still the same dysfunctional violent nightmare for its neighbors that it's always been...
Kashub1410 5 | 482
2 Nov 2022 #975
@Novichok
Poland was severely limited on it's own and history has shown that in Poland's situation it's not a matter of if, but when.

But, I guess you don't get that. Cause your acting as if Poland is supposed to be a tiny midget state without a voice. Think again!
Paulina 13 | 3,245
2 Nov 2022 #976
Because Poland is in NATO... hey russia.... feelin' lucky?

Poland joining NATO at that point in time was an absolute genius move as we can see now very clearly.
OP pawian 200 | 21,106
2 Nov 2022 #977
an absolute genius move

That was a symbolic fulfillment of Polish eternal aspirations to go with the West instead of the East. Such a character.
Even ex-communists who were in power then supported the idea.
Ukraine decided to go another way and today we can see how they have fared with it.
Miloslaw 15 | 4,813
2 Nov 2022 #978
Who threaten Poland before Poland joined NATO, genius?

Russia.
The threat has always been there.
But not after they lose the war in Ukraine.
After rhat, the Russian threat will be gone for generations.
That is why the UK, USA and Poland need to continue their support for Ukraine.
Until the job is done.
Novichok 3 | 7,474
3 Nov 2022 #979
Russia. The threat has always been there.

Why would Poland need the US? Isn't two nuclear Euro powers enough with the EU population being actually higher than the US...
Now that Russia can't win even with a sh*hole like Ukraine, the US should leave and make you all feel proud for being on your own.

Kind of like a pimply kid moving out of his mom's basement.
OP pawian 200 | 21,106
3 Nov 2022 #980
Isn't two nuclear Euro powers enough with the EU population being actually higher than the US...

No, darling, it isn `t enough coz from history you should remember that Europe has always been divided by particular interests of its countries, even in the EU. History ignoramuses don`t know basic facts about Europe.
Miloslaw 15 | 4,813
3 Nov 2022 #981
Why would Poland need the US? Isn't two nuclear Euro powers enough

A good point.

Now that Russia can't win even with a sh*hole like Ukraine, the US should leave

Another good point.
But the US won't leave, because they want to keep up their image as the world's dominant power.
Unfortunately, that is now China.
OP pawian 200 | 21,106
6 Nov 2022 #982
Not yet, but they will if not contained.
OP pawian 200 | 21,106
14 Dec 2022 #983
As I already wrote, PiS are going to capitulate and flush their main judiciary deforms down the toilet, only to receive those desired billions from the EU. Funny.

However, it isn`t funny anymore when we recall that Poland has already lost hundreds of million of euros in fines for PiS` stupid stubborness.

I hope one day those ritards will pay for those losses. With the time they spent in prisons. Ha!!!
How will they do in the slammer????



amiga500 3 | 1,284
15 Dec 2022 #984
only to receive those desired billions from the EU. Funny.

It shows that PiS fundamentally believes in europe as in a community of nation states working together for better economic outcomes, would you have prepared we had gone to war with EU and won, like Hungary did?

Just last few days Hungary got their money by threaten to veto aid to Ukraine and mimimum corporate tax rate in EU, and Eurocrats folded like pack of cards.

It shows that apart from ziobro, kaczynski and morawiecki and PiS are moderates willing to compromise. Plus this money will boost lots of infrastructure development and help PiS win next election, good news! Bad news for traitors like pawianowicz!
Novichok 3 | 7,474
15 Dec 2022 #985
as in a community of nation states working together for better economic outcomes,

You forgot about a common defense that does not rely on American tax dollars.
OP pawian 200 | 21,106
15 Dec 2022 #986
It shows that PiS fundamentally believes in europe

No, they don`t, they believe in European billions..... :):):)

PiS are moderates willing to compromise.

Darling ritard, you will also do anything for billions, even sell your own family, like PiS are selling their voters now. hahahaha
GefreiterKania 22 | 1,128
15 Dec 2022 #987
PiS are moderates willing to compromise

Of course they are. Again they chose what's better for Poland and not their particular party interests. Commendable.

PiS are selling their voters now

Certainly not. Only the Ziobrysts (and their 0.7% or something of voters :)) will be a bit dissapointed but I'm sure that KaczyƄski will be able to explain to Ziobro that his antics are not more important than the good of Poland. If only the oppositard party leaders had a tiny fraction of responsibility and statesmanship presented by PiS!
jon357 71 | 20,789
15 Dec 2022 #988
PiS are selling their voters

He even believes that the extremist PiS are 'moderates'.
Cojestdocholery 2 | 1,385
15 Dec 2022 #989
Only the Ziobrysts

No such thing.
PiS is licking German /EU boots. Their aim is to subjugate Poland and into colonial status. All action and lies of German EU twerps lead to it.

PiS is on his face sucking up to them. While they make a lot of noise as if they were to resist.
EU demands are brazen and illigtimage. KPO is a trap for sukers and PiS is that sucker.
By the way the EU is changing, it is not the same EU Poland joined and is not the same EU from 5 or 4 years ago. You all seems to be fooled by t he same name while substance keep changing.
GefreiterKania 22 | 1,128
15 Dec 2022 #990
EU demands are brazen and illigtimage

Indeed.

KPO is a trap for sukers and PiS is that sucker.

Yip. PiS agreed to the conditional mechanism as well as the milestones, so now they have to dance to the EU tune or they won't be getting any money (and they need the billions to soften the inflation blow). That's what makes them moderate - as Amiga said - they eventually succumbed to the EU pressure. Ziobrysts wouldn't bow down to the EU but they are a minority in Zjednoczona Prawica.

You all seems to be fooled by t he same name while substance keep changing.

Luckily, it is possible to leave the EU (the British did and the world didn't end), so if the neo-marxist elements within the Union try to exert even more pressure on normal countries, then it will be bye-bye, leftards. Meanwhile, the billions will come in handy, he he. :)


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