Years of Poland in the EU - assessment of pros and cons

Yes, an attraction but to PolAm it is a waste of time, nevertheless. :):):)


Only after PIS` Tribunal declares the superiority of European law over Polish law. If not, the drip with funds will remain closed coz the EU has had enough of PiS` tricks. Simple.

Now PiS has a huge problem coz they need this drip to survive, yet they don`t want to lose face before their voters. Amazing situation.

Are you happy about that situation? You are a filthy traitor.

@Ironside
You have to admit PiS painted themselves into a corner on this. It will be interesting to watch in the coming days.

PiS is simply unable to work with anyone (due to a culture of fractiousness and unpleasantness that stems from the leader).

So not only are they p]ssing off the EU but also the US (lex tvn). For a country that needs (for historic and geographic reasons) powerful allies it's been a real sh}tsh0w....

Without the US or EU what awaits Poland? Re-absorption into the Russian sphere of influence? Long distance Chinese satellite?

Unrealistic dreams think Poland can make it's own completely independent way in the world (like North Korea) or play off the big powers against each other (like no country, including Poland can really do).

PiS is an example of people who think that are very clever and play smart while in fact, they don't even know the rules of the game. That's sad not interesting.

That is not a problem. The problem is that will give in without getting any concessions.
There priorities for Poland:
-postponing for a long time closing coal power plants/
-Get rid of foreign investments in strategic areas.
- build a nucleral power plant or three.
- enure that Polish law takes precedence over the EU law (like Germany did).
- cleverly reintroduce conscriptions.
- build Polish nuclear weapon
To ensure those a-holes stay off for a time being:
let some law about civil partnership
let some BS about gender (but keep it out of schools and institutions)
Let some LGBT BS into a public sphere in a limited way

The way I see they will just talk much but quietly they will cave in. Focusing on secondary issues they will lose it all without gaining anything.

@Ironside
Sad, yes that this group actually rose to power. Interesting too though just to watch all the movement in positions. JK is just not a leader. Anyone following him is simply stupid.

"priorities for Poland:
postponing for a long time closing coal power plants"

who needs to breathe?

"Get rid of foreign investments in strategic areas."

define "strategic" and what are you going to tell the people losing their jobs? Once you start nationalizing all sorts of non-strategic investments will disappear too...

"build a nucleral power plant or three"

probably necessary

"enure that Polish law takes precedence over the EU law (like Germany did)"

it would be nice if Polish legal documents weren't such a mess and three intelligent people could read Polish laws and agree about what is meant...

"cleverly reintroduce conscriptions"

probably not worth the bother and expense

"build Polish nuclear weapon"

Or you could just paint a large target over most major cities....

A problem here is these are mostly solutions to problems from the past....

The crucial problems of today (and the near future) are more about attracting capital (no longer bound to anything on the map) and information (ditto) and security challenges best met technologically and not by a bunch of resentful small town kids forced into uniform.

Fascinating.


Nothing new - fascists like you and neobolsheviks like amiga view me like this. Yaaawn. Put on another record, darling. :):):)

Amazing developments during current European summit. It seems the EU is fully determined to contain PIS and block their illegal deforms of the judiciary system in Poland. If PiS doesn`t back off, they won`t receive billions of euros from pandemic funds. Also other funds are threatened.

Eventually the EU has had enough of PiS` dirty tricks.But that must be what God ordained for Poland - we have to go through that PiS Purgatory to emerge as a healthy decent nation again.

Only a matter of time before the EU uses guns to keep 'rogue' EU states in check. That is why the EU are pushing for an EU army.

I wonder how long before disregarding or seceding from the EU will be considered 'treason'?

Reasonable enough.

The EU in its present form could exist well without both Poland and Hungary.

European Court of Justice openly stated that Polish judges can ignore Constitutional Tribunal of Poland which directly goes against Lisbon treaty which states:

'Article 3a
1. In accordance with Article 3b, competences not conferred upon the Union in the Treaties remain with the Member States.

'Article 3b

2. Under the principle of conferral, the Union shall act only within the limits of the competences conferred upon it by the Member States in the Treaties to attain the objectives set out therein. Competences not conferred upon the Union in the Treaties remain with the Member States.

Poland did not give rights to EU to organize its judiciary and especially to give it right to say what polish judges do.

That is rightist wishful thinking and daydreaming. While I thought we should discuss facts here. :):)


You are applying Eastern standards to a Western institution. Not good - daydreaming again. :):)


Yes, coz current Tribunal was created illegally and most of its rulings are invalid. That was declared today.

Declared today and obvious from the start. Replacing judges with political appointees was never going to end well.


Basically more of his fantasy fake news. At least he's not trying to pretend they'll used 'nanobots' or 'unknown life forms'.

Funny you using that as a pejorative , when you are a rightist economically. Part of that Jachira faction in PO , that wants to get rid of 500+, cut social services and have a thatcher like small governemnt.

Haha, that doorknob wants to do that?

As smart as it sounds, I'm sure she didn't fully understand what she was saying (as usual) and just wanted to be on the opposite side to PiS :-)

Still, we should hold her accountable :-P

PS: for those who don't know who Jachira is: she is a local version of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez type of idiot.

that's the problem with PO, they a ragtag bunch of opportunists, jachira wants to do that, fancysiek wants to do the opposite, when they are in power they will not achieve anything except suck up to germany, at least PiS and Konfa have a vision and a focused conviction even.

Basically constant grandstanding and soundbites from individuals in PO. Certain PiS figures do it too, however they also do 500+ and win elections.


Their vision of the world is not a place I'd want to live in.

I'd just like to point out that the Nazis and communists had that too...

I would like to point out that people who say thing like that would do better for themselves not to say anything. They don't like a party or a force. Instead of saying it. They try to make themselves sound smart. Needless to say they fail.

To quote Helmut Schmidt. "If you have visions, go see a doctor."

@Tacitus, Just because Germans still have a massive hangover doesn't mean that the others cannot drink responsibly ;-)

The sins of the fathers are often visited upon the children.

I wasn't trying to "sound smart" lol - I stated something pretty obvious (or, at least, something that should be obvious). Having some kind of a "vision" and a "focused conviction" isn't enough, because it doesn't mean that it's a good vision and that it's a conviction to do good things.

Better than selling yourself to the highest bidder and having no ideals like PO and high class escorts.

Schmidt just meant that we should all be pragmatic rather than charismatic dreamers!

Yes, it is not enough. You should have sadi that in the first place. That would have given the other person an opportunity to add more.

The way you said it carried a certain message - I don't like them and I don't think that have anything interesting to offer.

You might be right or you might be wrong but you will never find out which at this rate.

The fact that you don't share their ideals (or you don't know them) doesn't mean they have none.


You must have a bad opinion about Polish nation, considering that PO ruled Poland for two terms - they were chosen in democratic elections :)


PiS has been in power for quite some time already, so I already found out.

does it mean you know their ideals, Paulina?
if so, could you let us in on them?