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15 years of Poland in the EU - assessment of pros and cons


delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
18 Nov 2020 #541
No wonder PIS is opposed and objected to so much.

I do wonder how many PiS fanboys have been to Budapest to see the slums for themselves. Budapest has charm and plenty of fascinating dive bars, but it's very much run down and the infrastructure is awful.
mafketis 24 | 9,352
18 Nov 2020 #542
how many PiS fanboys have been to Budapest

Probably close to zero.... I love Budapest, one of my favorite places on Earth, but Orban seems to have done fkkk all to improve things like infrastructure and employment.

Hungary's always been a lot more stratified than Poland (the first real segregated slum I saw in Europe was a gypsy section of Miskolc years ago) but even in richer places there's a much larger have-not class than in Poland (I'm not talking about the Hungarian-Gypsy divide which is massive).

The homeless problem in Budapest goes back to the 1980s (a real sign of socialist failure as that was something that wasn't supposed to happen in a Warsaw Pact country).

The Socialist government in the early 2000s really wrecked the country (they really were about as bad as PiS claims PO was) but ORban has done almost nothing that actually helps the country and it probably is degenerating back to pre-fall-of-communism levels...


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