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15 years of Poland in the EU - assessment of pros and cons


delphiandomine 88 | 18,455
18 Nov 2020 #541
No wonder PIS is opposed and objected to so much.

I do wonder how many PiS fanboys have been to Budapest to see the slums for themselves. Budapest has charm and plenty of fascinating dive bars, but it's very much run down and the infrastructure is awful.
mafketis 29 | 9,534
18 Nov 2020 #542
how many PiS fanboys have been to Budapest

Probably close to zero.... I love Budapest, one of my favorite places on Earth, but Orban seems to have done fkkk all to improve things like infrastructure and employment.

Hungary's always been a lot more stratified than Poland (the first real segregated slum I saw in Europe was a gypsy section of Miskolc years ago) but even in richer places there's a much larger have-not class than in Poland (I'm not talking about the Hungarian-Gypsy divide which is massive).

The homeless problem in Budapest goes back to the 1980s (a real sign of socialist failure as that was something that wasn't supposed to happen in a Warsaw Pact country).

The Socialist government in the early 2000s really wrecked the country (they really were about as bad as PiS claims PO was) but ORban has done almost nothing that actually helps the country and it probably is degenerating back to pre-fall-of-communism levels...
OP pawian 178 | 15,928
23 Apr 2021 #543
What a disgrace! PiS rulers are seriously thinking of forming a new rightwing group in the Euro Parliament. The problem is their partners are two most pro-Kremlin-oriented leaders.

euronews.com/2021/04/01/orban-salvini-and-morawiecki-form-new-right-wing-european-alliance


  • Orban and Putin

  • Salvini and Putin

  • Kaczyński Putin Monster
amiga500 2 | 590
24 Apr 2021 #544
Have you asked God for forgiveness for being a Communist informant during the 80s? Traitor!
amiga500 2 | 590
24 Apr 2021 #545
Funny how you pretend to be concerned about russia, when your saviour of poland Tusk was smiling and sharing a fist pump with Putin days after the Polish Elite had been murderded at Smolensk. Have you no shame?



Crow 149 | 9,413
24 Apr 2021 #546
Tusk was smiling and sharing a fist pump with Putin days after the Polish Elite had been murderded at Smolensk

Lech was killed by NATO considering being very pro-Serbian (read pro-Polish). He traveled to Russia to coordinate and than NATO killed him. Russia was later able to protect Tusk and that is about it.
OP pawian 178 | 15,928
24 Apr 2021 #547
Funny

You think it is funny that PIS are acting on Putin behalf? No, it is tragic coz again the corrupt Polish elites are working for Russians, like in Targowica during partitions. They are selling Poland to Russia, agaun.

Why does PiS hate Poland and Poiles so much?
Ironside 50 | 11,287
24 Apr 2021 #548
You think it is funny that PIS are acting on Putin behalf?

No its funny that you pushing this BS on here. Do you really think that anyone will buy into your nonsense or you just do it anyway because you are a dick and can't help yourself.

They are selling Poland

As you and PO sold Poland long time again to anyone who wanted ti buy it and their only beef with PiS is that cannot continue with that sellout.
OP pawian 178 | 15,928
24 Apr 2021 #549
anyone will buy

Of course, they will. There are still reasonable and decent people who are prone to believe me. And they refuse to believe you coz you are oh so biased. SImple.

Tell Kaczyński that if he busts the EU, we will give him the plane wreck.



amiga500 2 | 590
24 Apr 2021 #550
reasonable and decent people

No reasonable or decent person would volunteer to be a SB informant during communist times like you did. Have you asked God and your village for forgiveness for being a traitor?
OP pawian 178 | 15,928
24 Apr 2021 #551
No reasonable or decent person

Ha! Exactly, no reasonable or decent person would even think of doing what PiS rightists are doing in Poland. Did you hear that the EU decided to sue Polish government for constraining independent judges.

theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/31/eu-takes-poland-to-court-over-law-that-undermines-judges

The European commission has said it is taking Poland to the bloc's highest court over a legal change it alleges undermines judges' independence and prevents them applying EU law, drawing an instant and defiant response from Warsaw.

At last! And the EU didn`t say the last word. HA!
johnny reb 30 | 5,231
24 Apr 2021 #552
Did you hear that the EU decided to sue Polish government for constraining independent judges.

Yup, and they were going to sue Poland for refusing to change the zloty to the Euro and they were going to sue Poland for refusing to take in immigrants and they are now going to sue Poland for being run by Poland instead of the E.U.

Poland is very blessed to have PiS leaders running Poland instead of some puppets bowing to the opposition Socialists.
OP pawian 178 | 15,928
24 Apr 2021 #553
instead of some puppets bowing to the opposition Socialists.

Jonhhy, I forgive you your naive words coz you don`t have a full insight into Polish affairs. It is the PiS government which has always exploited neobolshevik and socialist methods.

As for the EU suing Poland for the things you mentioned, it is all a lie.

Stay tuned to learn more about Poland. God bless you.
amiga500 2 | 590
24 Apr 2021 #554
As for the EU suing Poland for the things you mentioned, it is all a lie.

"The European Commission is to sue Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic at the European Court of Justice (ECJ) for refusing to take in asylum seekers." bbc.com/news/world-europe-42270239

Once again you are caught lying, like you did to your friends when you denied being an informant to the Communist security services in Poland during the 80s.
OP pawian 178 | 15,928
24 Apr 2021 #555
"The European Commission is to sue Poland,

Ha! Why are you providing old site from 2017? It was fake news. Nothing like that actually took place.

Once again you are caught lying,

No, YOU are a lying pansy, darling. :):)
amiga500 2 | 590
24 Apr 2021 #556
It was fake news. Nothing like that actually took place.

You are a fool and a traitor. It did go to the ECJ. There was a ruling about it last year. "The European Court of Justice has today ruled that Hungary, Poland and the Czech Republic should not have refused to admit refugees and asylum seekers. The suit was filed against the three countries by the European Commission." greens-efa.eu/en/article/press/european-court-of-justice-refusal-to-accept-refugees-violates-eu-law

Like PolamKrakow you don't know what you are actually talking about, and just make wild uneducated points that seek to back up your vacuous political position, but are not based on reality. Grow up.
OP pawian 178 | 15,928
24 Apr 2021 #557
ruled that Hungary, Poland and the Czech Republic should not have refused to admit

This is a ruling after a lawsuit? Are you crazy, pansy darling? It is caressing, not ruling. Don`t even bring it up here coz you discredit yourself..

Like PolamKrakow

Try to avoid getting even with other forum members while debating with me - it is really infantile.
Spike31 2 | 2,345
27 Apr 2021 #558
"Denmark is the first country in Europe to say that refugees can be sent back to parts of Syria"

The "Independent" "journalist" is justifiably angered with them.

Don't those Danes know that the plan is that taking in "refugees" should be a one-way population swap?

independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/denmark-syrian-refugees-residency-permits-b1811466.html
Crow 149 | 9,413
27 Apr 2021 #559
plan is that taking in "refugees" should be a one-way population swap?

Corona reduced anyway weak population growth of Europeans, while certain circles provided fresh influx of refugees.
Novichok 1 | 3,118
27 Apr 2021 #560
Don't those Danes know that the plan is that taking in "refugees" should be a one-way population swap?

After reading Novichok's posts they know now that refugees in Denmark are frauds and should be expelled to the first place where they didn't see bombs falling on them.

Even the UN agrees with me.

should not have refused to admit refugees and asylum seekers.

Should not have is not equal to are legally required under penalties of the law.
Poland is a sovereign country and has every right to decide if it wants to be Motel 6 for the hordes of surplus people from every sh*hole of the globe.
OP pawian 178 | 15,928
27 Apr 2021 #561
Poland is a sovereign country

Yes, but united with other countries.
OP pawian 178 | 15,928
19 Jul 2021 #562
Tomorrow the EU is going to issue the last warning to the Polish government - one week to either accept the EU law or face financial penalties.

Very good. One day, in free Poland, all PiS gansters who led to this situation and financial losses for Poland will be prosecuted and sentenced to do time for a few years. Isn`t it a charming vision of the future?
Ironside 50 | 11,287
20 Jul 2021 #563
Polish gov should send them this picture:

get lost
amiga500 2 | 590
20 Jul 2021 #564
Pawian in 2016 : Tomorrow the EU is going to issue the last warning to the Polish government
Pawian in 2017 : Tomorrow the EU is going to issue the last warning to the Polish government
Pawian in 2018 : Tomorrow the EU is going to issue the last warning to the Polish government
Pawian in 2019 : Tomorrow the EU is going to issue the last warning to the Polish government
Pawian in 2020 : Tomorrow the EU is going to issue the last warning to the Polish government
Pawian in 2021 : Tomorrow the EU is going to issue the last warning to the Polish government

Have you heard about the Baboon who cried wolf? No one takes him seriously anymore
OP pawian 178 | 15,928
20 Jul 2021 #565
No one takes him seriously anymore

Of course not. I mean yes.
You can ignore me, then.
Yet, you never do. hahaha
Oathbreaker 1 | 284
20 Jul 2021 #566
@pawian
*faepalm*

People like you create the image of the Polish sejm being a political circus, just cause your bored and want entertainment... The Norwegian language is still using "Polsk riksdag" as a saying for a situation that is chaotic. That saying is over 200 years old...

@amiga500
Despite his ramblings, cause of Trump. The EU needs to make an European army, with or without Poland. I am concerned about PiS not being able to grasp this option in time. The EU might be serious about it this time, if next leader of NATO is going to be a women from Estonia, Lithuania or Croatia... God help us all
OP pawian 178 | 15,928
20 Jul 2021 #567
People like you create the image of the Polish sejm being a political circus

No, darling, it is not me who creates such an image, it is those clowns in it, primarily rightists. Again you don`t know what you are talking about. :)

The Norwegian language is still using "Polsk riksdag"

Don`t blame me for that, darling. :):):)
Alien - | 69
20 Jul 2021 #568
Polsk riksdag

Are you sure that riksdag means chaotic. For ex. Riksdag-Reichstag. Reichstag in German means Parlament.
Oathbreaker 1 | 284
20 Jul 2021 #569
@pawian
I don´t know what I am talking about? Based on what excactly? I know perfectly well what you guys are (PO+PiS) are doing and it´s sickening! I wasn´t born yesterday

@Alien
Metaphorically it is used for anything chaotic, cause Polish sejm is chaotic, complicated and never simple. It´s not meant in a literal sense, as it´s a saying.
amiga500 2 | 590
20 Jul 2021 #570
The EU might be serious about it this time,

They might be serious but we have veto in European Council and have countries that will veto in the event of infringement procedure being enforced, Also this conflict is good for us as it will show that the ECJ and Commision have overstepped their competencies and will focus sane minds to reform the EU in the proper direction, ie not towards a supranational state.


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