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Ups and downs of the democratic government 2023-2027 in Poland


Lenka  5 | 3535
1 Jul 2024 #271
Not anymore

No, all it does is remove the need.for physical signs of struggle and includes not being able to consent.

Non consensual sex usually leaves signs on the genitals that can be examined.
Not having sex with someone who is basically unconscious is a non brainer too imo.

They had about 11%

12%

Anal much?
Ironside  50 | 12415
1 Jul 2024 #272
Anal much?

You should get it right the first time, you can't stand being wrong can you lol!
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No, all it does is remove the need. for physical signs of struggle including not being able to consent.

Such legislation existed in Polish law before that new one, whoever told you differently was a moron or lied to you.
However, the way it is intended lefties crazies is to make it into what I said. One a woman can claim anything and a man has to prove that is not guilty. All legal practices of civilized countries work on the opposite premise.
Lenka  5 | 3535
1 Jul 2024 #273
One a woman can claim anything and a man has to prove that is not guilty

Can you point to any part of the legislation that shows that?
Alien  22 | 5456
1 Jul 2024 #274
if a woman reminds herself of some guy she had sex with five years ago

Then she is unlucky, dear, because the statute of limitations for rape is 5 years.
Ironside  50 | 12415
1 Jul 2024 #276
Then she is unlucky, dear because the statute of limitations for rape is 5 years.

I'm sure it won't apply in that case after all feminists won't stand for such obstacles to prosecute men.
--Buy the way which country are you talking about? Germany? In Poland, it is more, it's 15 or 10 years, and in the US it could be 20 years or other is no statute of limitation depending on the state. Dear. lol!
Can you point to any part of the legislation that shows that?

It is the way it can be interpreted after the latest addition and the law shouldn't make room for such interpretations. That is the only thing it adds.

I could just wipe the smug smile from your arrogant face but can I be bothered? I don't know - maybe not. Educate yourself that is your responsibility.
Paulina  15 | 4429
1 Jul 2024 #277
Here's a good article about why the change in the definition of rape was needed in Poland:

wiadomosci.wp.pl/zmiana-definicji-zgwalcenia-to-nie-gwalt-na-prawie-lecz-potrzebna-korekta-opinia-7044384982428512a

If in our country a court decides that when a 15-year-old girl is being raped by her uncle - her crying, saying no and pushing his hands away is "not resisting enough" then clearly the former definition wasn't enough. Apparently Polish judges have to have it written down more explicitly o_O

Also, prosecutors in case of rape accusation will still have to prove in court that there was no consent.
Ironside  50 | 12415
1 Jul 2024 #278
If in our country a court decides that when a 15-year-old girl is being raped by her uncle - her crying, saying no, and pushing his hands away is "not resisting enough"

Courts and judges make mistakes or can be corrupted there is no fault of the law.
Paulina  15 | 4429
1 Jul 2024 #279
then clearly the former definition wasn't enough.

I should probably add "not enough for Polish judges". As it was stated in the article - the problem wasn't the law, but the mentality. And since you can't change the mentality "just like that", you have to change the law. And maybe in the long run that will also influence the mentality at least to some extent.
Ironside  50 | 12415
1 Jul 2024 #280
, you have to change the law.

But a problem with the law is that it shouldn't be the law.
Lenka  5 | 3535
1 Jul 2024 #281
Having sex without consent is rape. Why shouldn't it be a law?
Bobko  26 | 2157
1 Jul 2024 #282
Having sex without consent is rape

Not if you gain a democratic mandate, first. That is, it can be sufficient to gain the consent of the "socium".

If 10 people gather - one woman amongst them - and the other 9 men vote to rape the one woman... that's democracy.

It's not enough just to go through the motions of the democratic process, it's actually even more important to respect the results.

This is what sets apart real democracies like those in America, from the Potemkin democracies of places like Russia.
Alien  22 | 5456
1 Jul 2024 #283
? In Poland, it is more, it's 15 or 10 years

No, rape has a statute of limitations after 5 years. Only in the case of molestation of minors does the statute of limitations expire when the victim turns 30.
Ironside  50 | 12415
1 Jul 2024 #284
Having sex without consent is rape.

Are you a retarded? do you even know what you are talking about I hate arguing with women because more often than not, they don't know anything about the subject, they feel a lot about it. that have no arguments just anecdotal evidence, go on a tangent, move the goalpost not after questions, and then at the end of the day it is men's fault.
or like here you do not understand what we are talking about. Because the feminist agenda is good, the lefties' agenda is good, women victims, men predatory perpetrators. right?
You could just spare us your ego-busting BS and come with that sexist prattle from the start.geez
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How will proof that it was consensual?
Say you raped me - now how can you prove you didn't ( assuming we had consensual sex?, it is only hypothetical I would hate it more than, you believe it)
Could you answer that question?
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No, rape has a statute of limitations after 5 years.

Are you sure? Isn't a general rule such that for offenses you can be sentenced for more than five years the statute is 15 years and if more then it goes up to 25. Was that amended lately?
Alien  22 | 5456
1 Jul 2024 #285
Are you sure

No, I'm not, but rape can get you 2-8 years. Therefore, the statute of limitations expires after 5 years. With a potential penalty of 5-15 years, the offense would become statute-barred after 15 years, and if the offense exceeded 3 years, the statute of limitations would expire after 10 years.
Lenka  5 | 3535
1 Jul 2024 #286
Are you a retarded?

Are you? Because you seem capable only of going on some weird blur of attempts to offend people you disagree with. You used about 100 words and not a single argument.

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How will proof that it was consensual?

It's not a civil case. The guilt has to be proven. The evidence responsibility lies on the prosecution.
Ironside  50 | 12415
1 Jul 2024 #287
The evidence responsibility lies on the prosecution.
@ Lenka

Here you are wrong. With that change, bised interpretation may turn into guilt by association. He doesn't have a written statement or a video where she says I want to F my brains out go ahead, therefore any nonverbal communication or situation-ship can be ignored. Hence it is possible that innocent men had their lives destroyed by women's lies.
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You

See, you are blaming me rather than your poor communication skills. What did I say, boy, I was so right.
Ironside  50 | 12415
1 Jul 2024 #288
rape can get you 2-8 years

wrong it is 2-15./ so it is more than likely that statute of limitation would be more than 5 years in most cases unless you want to agree that most rapists in Poland are stances to less than three years? For that, I would need some statists.
Paulina  15 | 4429
1 Jul 2024 #289
It's not a civil case. The guilt has to be proven. The evidence responsibility lies on the prosecution.

Exactly. I don't know where some men get this notion that FROM NOW ON a woman's word will be enough to sentence a man for rape lol They must be living in some fantasy world of their own making and not in Polish reality.
Ironside  50 | 12415
1 Jul 2024 #290
Polish reality.

From foreign reality. Where such stupid feminist legislation leads to those sad conclusions.
OP pawian  220 | 24842
1 Jul 2024 #291
Tusk is

Dont` believe everything what they say in the sewers. They are duping you on purpose.
Miloslaw  20 | 4836
1 Jul 2024 #292
Dont` believe everything what they say in the sewers

LOL! and it's me that is being insulting?

You really are a pathetic left wing troll!
OP pawian  220 | 24842
2 Jul 2024 #293
You really are

I am what and who I am and feel proud about it. HA!!!
Ironside  50 | 12415
2 Jul 2024 #294
As expected Tusk government keeps putting people in jail without legal reason.
OP pawian  220 | 24842
2 Jul 2024 #295
Don`t be such a nationalist murderer!
Paulina  15 | 4429
3 Jul 2024 #296
Is the Polish government betraying Polish media in favour of the foreign big tech? It looks like it:

wiadomosci.wp.pl/po-co-nam-polskie-media-skoro-mamy-google-i-mete-opinia-7045090697894432a

Btw, I have some observations concerning some of the stuff mentioned in this article. Firstly, about those all powerful algorithms. I've seen artists complaining about them quite some time ago already. That it was better on social media and YouTube before they were introduced. And they're still complaining about them. I see other users complaining about them on regular basis too. Why are they there then if they make things worse? 🤨🤔

And as for those weird adds with fake news that the journalist mentioned - I see them all the time on Instagram for example. They are made to look like they are news from "Gazeta Wyborcza". Omenaa Mensah and Sławomir Mentzen seem to be "trending" in them now for some reason o_O (I wonder if Kuba Wojewódzki and Omenaa Mensah know that "they" are promoting some Neoprofit app lol):







Paulina  15 | 4429
4 Jul 2024 #297
Nobody cares? I care. I already didn't take part in local and Euro elections... I'm starting to wonder if I'm going to take part in the presidential elections...

Covers of Polish newspapers today:

wiadomosci.wp.pl/wielki-protest-mediow-czarne-plansze-w-gazetach-i-na-portalach-7045392801958560a

"POLITICIANS! DON'T KILL POLISH MEDIA!"



amiga500  4 | 1487
4 Jul 2024 #298
Nobody cares? I care.

I thought you would care about those horrible conditions for child psychiatric patients that PiS caused and PO solved.
Korvinus  1 | 549
4 Jul 2024 #299
"The king of price hikes":
tusk
Paulina  15 | 4429
4 Jul 2024 #300
I thought you would care about those horrible conditions for child psychiatric patients that PiS caused and PO solved.

I wouldn't expect them to solve every problem Poland has after only 8 months in power, but it looks like they didn't forget about this one:

medonet.pl/biznes-system-i-zdrowie,rzad-dofinansuje-polska-psychiatrie--mamy-sporo-do-zrobienia,artykul,49225945.html

However, I'd expect them not to cause new problems.
How about you? Do you care about Polish media? PiS and their supporters claimed that they care about pluralism in media in Poland and the right to getting information. Where are they now?


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