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Does Poland support the idea of Slavic unity?


Fjodor1980 - | 7
8 Feb 2012 #31
Lucky Poland has limited influence in Slavic Europe and the world.

Poland will have Great influence in the world only when it begin think and do in it's own way, without western or eastern influence in minding. When it shows it's own will and desire to leave in peace and harmony.
pajonk69 - | 3
8 Feb 2012 #32
I'm amazed how anti Slavic polaks are... Well polaks outside of Poland anyway

there is no such thing as "Slavic unity" its rUSSIANS propaganda in cold war and im polish born in Poland and i live here all my life
OP alexmac 3 | 52
8 Feb 2012 #33
Of course I will be in Poland again ( I have been a couple of times before) I don't expect Slavic unity to be supported by the majority of Polish people but I am sure it has a strong following and will continue to grow in the near future once the euro collapses. I'm lucky most other Slavic countries are strong supporters of a single Slavic country.

From research and talking to many people it seems the only Slavic counties who lack interest are mainly Polish and Czechs every other Slavic country have strong movements supporting a single Slavic country.
Fjodor1980 - | 7
8 Feb 2012 #34
single Slavic country

Forget about it. if it is so President Medvedev will give to the 20 000 Serbs opportunity to live in Russia. But he ignored their "lament" and send several trucks to Kosovo with Humanitarian aid.
JonnyM 11 | 2,621
8 Feb 2012 #35
I have been a couple of times

Wow. An expert.

I am sure it has a strong following

And you are wrong.

once the euro collapses

Don't hold your breath.

most other Slavic countries are strong supporters of a single Slavic country.

They aren't.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,721
8 Feb 2012 #36
Of course I will be in Poland again ( I have been a couple of times before)

You just claimed on another thread to have lived in Poland. Oh dear...

I don't expect Slavic unity to be supported by the majority of Polish people but I am sure it has a strong following and will continue to grow in the near future once the euro collapses.

Polish people have long memories - they want nothing to do with "Slavija". They either want close cooperation with the West, or they want to be isolated.

I'm lucky most other Slavic countries are strong supporters of a single Slavic country.

Really? Let's see...

Slovakia = fiercely independent and proud of their country, very nationalist.
Czech Republic = sees their future in line with Germany
Ukraine = not going to give up their independence after 600 years of having lost it, are they?
Belarus/Russia = already in union
Croatia = like Slovakia, fiercely independent and proud of their country. They want nothing to do with any sort of Slavic union after the last one.

Bosnia = Not a chance. The country is fragile as it is, and they died to keep it one country.
Slovenia = more interested in Austria/Italy than in Slavija. It's really only Slavic in name.
Serbia = No chance. They have Tito's spirit in them - and that same spirit preaches independence.
Macedonia = not interested in the slightest.
Bulgaria = Too balkanised.
Poland = fiercely independent.

So - two countries would be interested. Not exactly "strong", is it?
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
8 Feb 2012 #37
Poland will have Great influence in the world only when it begin think and do in it's own way, without western or eastern influence in minding. When it shows it's own will and desire to leave in peace and harmony.

True.
ShortHairThug - | 1,103
8 Feb 2012 #38
The vivid example of the Slavonic Unity is the Grunwald Battle 1410 a.D.when Slavonic people were united for to stop the expancy of Catholicism to the east

Is that really what you are thought in Russia? Great to see that Russian propaganda is still working properly.

Slavic unity has nothing to do with murdering people.

Could have fooled me, have you forgotten Russian version of it already? And what it means to be Soviet by force?

Lucky Poland has limited influence in Slavic Europe and the world.

Here comes the truth out. What you dream of is Russian domination again not unity. With that statement alone you have reminded me why I’m against that kind of arrangement.

Poland will have Great influence in the world only when it begin think and do in it's own way, without western or eastern influence in minding. When it shows it's own will and desire to leave in peace and harmony.

Like Russia throughout its brief history is or ever was a shining example of a peaceful nation. LOL
This whole thread is pathetic and ironic if you think about it, two Russians here pissing in the wind, one for, one against with a corus of Jews butting in stating how absurd this idea really is but in reality all working for a common goal.

This idea must really scare the living daylights out of you all. It’s the stuff nightmares are made of for the likes of you, really. I had enough of this BS for now won’t even bother to read the rest.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,721
8 Feb 2012 #39
This whole thread is pathetic and ironic if you think about it, two Russians here pissing in the wind, one for, one against with a corus of Jews butting in stating how absurd this idea really is but in reality all working for a common goal.

You just couldn't resist with the accusations of Zionism, could you?

Tell you what - if you can prove to me that any poster on this thread is Jewish, I'll donate 5000zl to an orphanage of your choice. How about it?
southern 75 | 7,096
8 Feb 2012 #40
In fact panslavism remains a powerful idea with growing significance in times of cultures clash due to globalization and third world immigration.Most Poles want a slavic Poland.
milky 13 | 1,657
8 Feb 2012 #41
A return to the USSR... That was as close as you'll ever get to a Slavic Union. Those interested in such regression, either have problems with their sexual identity or had no relationship with their absent father. Or they didn't win any meddles in the three legged race.
southern 75 | 7,096
8 Feb 2012 #42
USSR... That was as close as you'll ever get to a Slavic Union.

USSR was hardly a slavic union.There lived Azeris,Turkmen,Kazakhs,Mongols and a bunch of about 72 nationalities and all the range of religious faiths.
JonnyM 11 | 2,621
8 Feb 2012 #43
meddles

??

USSR was hardly a slavic union.There lived Azeris,Turkmen,Kazakhs,Mongols and a bunch of about 72 nationalities and all the range of religious faiths.

And they turned aboriginal Siberia into a 'slavic' colony. Imperialists par excellence.
Sasha 2 | 1,083
8 Feb 2012 #44
Most Slavs don't know Russian

There're roughly 300 mln Slavs in the World. Roughly 300 mln people in the Wolrd speak Russian. So you're certainly not correct.

Alex, unity based on ethnicity is probably the most feeble one these days. Even religion matters more, not mention money or any financial interest.
Besides, it takes will of millions to build any sort of union and it takes just one spiteful man to shaken the balance.
I don't really mind Slavs living as one big family but I think it would last long.

Btw, panslavism is not a Russian invention, it's Czech as far as I remember, though it was well taken up by the Russians.
Des Essientes 7 | 1,291
8 Feb 2012 #45
Btw, panslavism is not a Russian invention, it's Czech as far as I remember

I remembered it being a Slovak invention, but Wiki claims a Croatian priest from the 17th century was the first to advocate it.
Sasha 2 | 1,083
8 Feb 2012 #46
but Wiki claims a Croatian priest from the 17th century was the first to advocate it.

Oh yeah. I was wrong. The Czech (or according to some sources a Slovak) Jan Herkel later proposed a term "panslavism". That's what I took as "invention".
milky 13 | 1,657
8 Feb 2012 #47
??

sorry JonnyM
..medals.
Crow 137 | 7,714
8 Feb 2012 #48
You mean a Slavic union? (SU)

No thanks..

Babinichu, why discourage pan-Slavic feelings? Idea of Slavic union is noble one. Its more then SU. Idea could be applied on some future Commonwealth

I am a strong supporter of one Slavic nation with modern day Slavic countries as states within one Slavic nation whose unique languages and culture/ religion are protected. In the end we are all are the same people.

yes speaking in general. it would be truth if we say that modern day Slavic nations formed from numerous Slavic tribes. One and same (huge) tribe often became part of even several Slavic nations (and was segmented by jurisdiction to the Catholic/Orthodox/Protestant Christian church) while some (smaller) tribes were totally consumed by particular Slavic nation. So, Slavic nations are mix of several Slavic tribes. Greater tribes gave names to the nation/country but there were also universal names for all the Slavs.

For example, Polani tribe named Polish nation. But, Polani tribe preserved memory/legend on its Sarmatian origin. See? Sarmatian (one of designations for Proto Slavs) name was universal name of all the Slavs before particular Polish nation on some defined territory was formed. Polani tribe was just one of many Sarmatian tribes

PiƂsudski had the right idea

truth. Great man
delphiandomine 83 | 17,721
8 Feb 2012 #49
There're roughly 300 mln Slavs in the World. Roughly 300 mln people in the Wolrd speak Russian. So you're certainly not correct.

The figures I have are different - around 400 million Slavs, with around 250 million being able to speak Russian to some degree.
Sasha 2 | 1,083
8 Feb 2012 #50
The figures I have are different

Where did you get them from?
Babinich 1 | 455
9 Feb 2012 #51
Babinichu, why discourage pan-Slavic feelings? Idea of Slavic union is noble one. Its more then SU. Idea could be applied on some future Commonwealth

The lessons of the EU are clear.

Nations do not need collapse into a union in order to trade with or come to the defense of other nations.
Sebastian 6 | 108
9 Feb 2012 #52
I am a strong supporter of one Slavic nation with modern day Slavic countries as states within one Slavic nation whose unique languages and culture/ religion are protected. In the end we are all are the same people.

After reading this entire thread, I came to the conclusion that you need to get out more. Both you and Crow sound delusional and have no damn clue about Slavic countries. Do you honestly think Polish people in Poland give a crap about a Slavic Union? Most of them would laugh at idea. The same goes with the Czechs, Slovaks and Slavs from the former Yugoslav countries. I'm pretty sure what the vast majority of Slavs want, is to try to make their country a better place to live, and to have stability, not some stupid Slavic Union. Thank god Polish people in Poland are not like you and Crow.
OP alexmac 3 | 52
9 Feb 2012 #53
I know many Yugoslavs who support the idea of a Slavic Union especially Serbs.
Most east Slavs are interested in the idea even Slavs in baltic counties around 40% of the baltic population are Slavic and nearly all the people speak russian either as a first or second language. Out of the western Slavs czech and Slovaks are in the middle ( the idea of one united Slavic country is their idea)
delphiandomine 83 | 17,721
9 Feb 2012 #54
I know many Yugoslavs who support the idea of a Slavic Union especially Serbs.

Will you please stop trolling?

Anyone with any idea about Serbs know that they were never particularly interested in "Slavic Union", especially after what the Ustase did to them in WW2. Even Milosevic's theory was of a "Greater Serbia" encompassing all Serbian people - he had no interest in places such as Macedonia and Slovenia.

Most east Slavs are interested in the idea even Slavs in baltic counties around 40% of the baltic population are Slavic and nearly all the people speak russian either as a first or second language.

Pretty obvious that you've never been there if you think that "nearly all the people speak Russian as a second language" in the Baltic countries.

Out of the western Slavs czech and Slovaks are in the middle ( the idea of one united Slavic country is their idea)

And again - pretty obvious you don't know any Czechs/Slovaks.

Why not get out of your parents basement and come to Europe to talk to people?
yehudi 1 | 432
9 Feb 2012 #55
Tell you what - if you can prove to me that any poster on this thread is Jewish, I'll donate 5000zl to an orphanage of your choice. How about it?

Pay up!
Nojas 4 | 110
9 Feb 2012 #56
Baltic people are baltic people and not slavic people (although there are slavic people living in the baltics). That's why they are not a part of "slavic europe", something which you can google to extend your knowledge. However, you can always go to the region and promote your idea.

A fair warning though, being in the baltics and promoting a union with Russia can pose a serious threat to your health and general well being.
Funky Samoan 2 | 181
9 Feb 2012 #57
The idea of panslavism is from the penultimate century, where people and nations where categorized by language. There may be a close relationship between the slavonic languages, but culturally the Poles, Czechs and Slovaks are definitely closer to Hungarians, Austrians and Germans than to Russians or Bulgarians for instance.

And regarding origin I would claim that the modern Polish people are at least as related to Western European people as to Russians. Just imagine how many German settlers came to Poland in the Middle Ages. Most of them became part of the Polish nation very soon just like many people from Eastern Germany (Brandenburg, Mecklenburg and Western Pomerania and Saxony) have Slavonic ancestors.

So why shoud Poles aspire a Union with Russia just because the Polish and Russian language are related? There is not very much Russia can offer to be honest.

And my advice to you is you should update your way of looking at people. It may be good to categorize languages by origin and similarities but this does not necessarily mean that the people are genetically related or even if they are that nations feel affinity because of that fact. Or do you think that Dutchs, Luxembourgers, Swiss and the Skandinavian people want to live in a Union with Germany alone?

And let's be honest: Almost every slavic speaking nation was part of the Russian dominated Eastern Bloc from 1945 to 1990 and every nation exept Russia was glad to leave it in 1990.
OP alexmac 3 | 52
9 Feb 2012 #58
First modern baltic people are heavily mixed with Slavic people, I suggest you read up about their modern DNA of the baltic people's. Secondly, altogether about 40% of the people who live in Baltic countries are purely Slavic (mainly Russian with smaller groups of Poles, Ukrainians and Belarusians.

Most of the 40% of Slavic people in the baltics speak Russian as a first languauge and most Baltic people speak russian as a second languauge.

You have no idea where I have lived or been. Don't assume anything because non of you know me.

If you don't support a united Slavic country I respect that but to say Slavic people are not related or have no common culture or related languages is a pure lie. We all come from the same stock of Slavic tribes who split off and migrated in different directions ( like Arabs)
Funky Samoan 2 | 181
9 Feb 2012 #59
You can't possibly know where your ancestors came from, maybe they came from the Pripjet swamps maybe from somewhere else. How can you know? Proven is only one thing: about 30,000 years before now the homo sapiens that came from Africa arrived in Europe and superseded the indigenous Neanderthals. So in the end we all are Africans. ;-) Your Slavic Comonwealth is only a myth!
OP alexmac 3 | 52
9 Feb 2012 #60
Everyone is from Africa.... Science has evolved from that theory. And yes my mother is a native Poleshchuk from the Pripyat so I can directly trace half of me immediately there.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poleszuk


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