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What is strategic meaning of Poland in Europe and in the world?


Ironside  50 | 12488
22 Aug 2021   #32
Something like this >

Shove it.. Pomorze, East Prussia and Silesia are not for take. Easter borders have nothing to do with it.

I see Krakow as suitable.

Krakow is too valuable as a historical capital for it to be anything that it is now.
Warsaw is situated on a good geopolitical axis and has an ample room to expand.

or like this >

what is the point of it? Mitteleuropa? Can you read maps Crow, I wonder sometimes..
By the way Poland idea of three seas is based on two assumptions:
a. to keep German influence limited in this part of the world/
b. to kick Russia out of EE and to keep them out.

Hence your idea of Russia or Germany participating actively in this project are most insane mussing you have produced to date and that includes your Sarmatian obsession.
Oathbreaker  4 | 347
22 Aug 2021   #33
In the world and Europe it's a non-threatening "no mans land" between Germany and Russia. Last two times they had a shared border... We had two world wars, being most bloody for both Germany AND Russia with the most recent one.

It's in Germany's and Russia's interest for none of them controlling Poland and have distance between each other's. (Which is in Poland's interest as well as Poles desire a free and independent Poland)

Throughout history most of Poland's military has been used eastward due to Poland's sense and feelings of belonging with the Catholic community (rest of Europe, until times of reformation and definitively not very much after the partitions)

While it's in Russia's interest to keep Poland weak enough for it not to be an invasional threat towards herself (lesson learned from times of troubles)

While also keeping Poland strong enough to avoid military invasions from Germany and co-operate on threats towards other Slavic states as to gain recognition and influence among the most slavic nations.

It's definitively better for Russia to work with predominately slavic countries compared to Germanic, Turkish or Chinese.

Problem is that due to inner slavic rivalry and brotherly squabbles, neither Czech. Rep, Poland or Ukraine (Yugoslavia could have potential if it still existed) have enough strength, power or influence to be taken seriously by Russia.

U.S.A got U.K, Germany, France and Scandinavian countries as closest cultural support. While Russia is quite isolated in that regard.

Poland also offers verbal mediation between greater states (demographically and economically speaking) as Poland has been easily isolated on a European level and lack any threatening potential on a global scale.

Increased influence of Poland in... Africa would be rather a curiosity compared to Chinese influence investments out of the difference in magnitude and possible outcome.

Poland has so much to rebuild internally that even a country like Lithuania or Slovakia aren't planning or preparing plans to avoid an possible invasion by Poland.

As also mentioned earlier in the post, Poland has enough to have an population of 120 million people agriculturally. With newer technology possibly even more, so need for expansion is dramatically reduced and needs for development is far greater.
OP Crow  154 | 9587
22 Aug 2021   #34
You did it. You ruined my new thread.

Shove it.. Pomorze, East Prussia and Silesia are not for take. Easter borders

O? You penetrated me with finger for wrong map? Not sensible at all.

We can`t save France. Even God gave up. Northern Italy will enter CEU as Padania.
Oathbreaker  4 | 347
22 Aug 2021   #35
You penetrated me for wrong map? Not sensible at all.

He can always propose new maps with Kosovo being part of Albania too. It's practically reality, why not make it formal as well?

If your thinking about future, use updated maps. With or without Kosovo. Poles are sensitive to maps reminding of past partitions. As a Serb you should understand what Ironside felt seeing it.

Just like seeing Yugoslavia on map, but with western parts missing with name Austria or Italy on it
OP Crow  154 | 9587
22 Aug 2021   #36
As a Serb you should understand what Ironside felt seeing it.

Sure. I am glad that he used finger. I apologize.
Miloslaw  21 | 5181
22 Aug 2021   #37
your Sarmatian obsession

He is obsessed with this fantasy......

I apologize

I should think so too you twit!
Novichok  5 | 8514
23 Aug 2021   #38
Poland has a dilemma. There are 32 scumbags from Afghanistan at the border with no place to go. If Poland lets them in, there will be 32,000 of them in a month.

Quoting from dailymail.com: dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9918335/Belarus-forcing-Afghan-migrants-Polish-border-gunpoint.html

Belarus is forcing Afghan migrants over the Polish border at gunpoint as tyrant Alexander Lukashenko plays 'dirty game' to destabilise the EU
Thirty-two Afghans stranded for 14 days near the Polish village of Usnarz Gorny

The other solution is to let them die from starvation - on camera in real-time - as a deterrent. Sending them back would be a signal that there there is no risk and only the upside. Bottom line: it's time to show balls or Europe is gone.

I would like to take this moment to express my profound thanks to and admiration for my friend and hero Alexander Lukashenko for creating this crisis. Without it, Europe would very possibly be doing Merkel 2.0 hugfest with the surplus Muslims.
Strzelec35  19 | 830
23 Aug 2021   #39
why would they want to go to belarus? how did they end up there at all?
Miloslaw  21 | 5181
23 Aug 2021   #40
Belarussians flying them in to send to Poland and Lithuania.
Novichok  5 | 8514
23 Aug 2021   #41
In other words, to the touchy-feely and stupid like a rock EU. Smart Belarussians.
I am sure Swedes are already standing there with their arms stretched and ready to hug. After all, Afghanis are less black than Somalis - a step in the right direction. That way the babies will be closer to their moms in skin color.
Strzelec35  19 | 830
23 Aug 2021   #42
they should stay in belarus. Im sure it is still better than afghanistan no? what if they run away or want to stay there would lukashenko let them? maybe they should run from the captors and stay. How des lukashenko even fly them in he has people in afghanistan going on missions in helicopters or what?
OP Crow  154 | 9587
23 Aug 2021   #43
admiration for my friend and hero Alexander Lukashenko for creating this crisis.

I concur. Brat Luka here buys time to Poland. So Poland can spit on Belarus but in secret Poland thank to Belarus. Its that strange politics of Poland. Maddening balancing, to say. They doing same to Serbia. Recognize partition of Serbia and then allow Russia to transport ICBM to Serbia, while secretly hope crazy Serbs to drop it on Rome and finish with lovers of Pachamama.
Strzelec35  19 | 830
23 Aug 2021   #44
Yes this is true Polish politics are strange. It is like the outward politics of face or showing face and the internal or real politics working side by side.
OP Crow  154 | 9587
23 Aug 2021   #45
Poland is confused. I understand that. Who could imagine West isn`t West but Arabistan and Turkistan. Then Poland realized Slavic world is actually real West. Even few years ago Poland was disgust with Russia and now change its stance on Russia, in secret cooperate with Russia because unable to publicly admit its positive stance.
Strzelec35  19 | 830
23 Aug 2021   #46
true very much true. Russia supposedly is actually being diplomatic and there are worse warmongerers than putin there urging him to just take all of ukraine and baltics. Russia is also having to play two faqces one for those war mongerers one for the world.

baltic politics is strange I am sure too:

reddit.com/r/europe/comments/p9sx6t/32_years_ago_more_than_2_million_citizens_of_the/
OP Crow  154 | 9587
23 Aug 2021   #47
Let us not forget that Russia was content with UKRPOLBAT. Then, happened maiden that ruined Ukraine and UKRPOLBAT. But hey, its much easier to Poland to spit on Russia then onto papacy, Brussels and Pentagon. But things change. Poland is tired of that idiotic mind-blowing game.
Strzelec35  19 | 830
23 Aug 2021   #48
youre right crow but russia accoridng to stephen h cohen was actually kept at peace or put under putin because the warmongerers there keep pressuring him he has to keep at bay to basiclaly go to the atlantic already.
pawian  221 | 26014
16 Sep 2021   #49
What is strategic meaning of Poland in Europe?

Traditionally, Poland prevents various Eastern barbarians from invading Europe.
Miloslaw  21 | 5181
16 Sep 2021   #50
Yes and no.
They have not done it for a very long time and the last time,against the Russian barbarians,they failed miserably.
pawian  221 | 26014
16 Sep 2021   #51
They have not done it for a very long time

Of course you are wrong.

,they failed miserably.

Obviously thou are mistaken.
pawian  221 | 26014
5 Aug 2024   #52
Poland`s strategic importance.

Could be much much better but it isn`t due to the divisions in the Polish nation. There are decent intelligent Poles/Polesses and there are homo sovieticuses or rightist bolsheviks here. These groups refuse to cooperate with each other to Make Poland Great Again. In the past, such divisions led to partitions of the Polish state which lasted for 123 years. Today the new partitions are out of question, of course, thanks to our membership in the EU and NATO. I fear to imagine what could happen if we weren`t.

As for divisions - I am part of it. I refuse to acknowledge homo sovieticuses and rightists and nationalists who are too stupid to understand their agenda means the destruction of Poland. Or not so stupid but on Putin`s payroll.
pawian  221 | 26014
8 Aug 2024   #53
There are decent intelligent Poles/Polesses and there are homo sovieticuses or rightist bolsheviks here..

E.g, the current democratic gov has dismissed ambassadors nominated by PIS in previous years. But PiS President refuses to accept it and already declared he won`t sign new ambassadors in .
Can Poland be great again with such azholes at the helm like Duda??
Alien  25 | 6015
9 Aug 2024   #54
he won`t sign new ambassadors in

Thank God the institution of the Consul General still exists.
pawian  221 | 26014
9 Aug 2024   #55
No, the new ambassadors will function as charge de affairs for a while until next year when Duda puppet finally leaves.
Ironside  50 | 12488
10 Aug 2024   #56
President refuses to accept it a

Good. He can and he should given Tusk breaks the law left right and center. Ambassorasr are his prerogative,
pawian  221 | 26014
10 Aug 2024   #57
Ambassorasr are his prerogative,

Only formally. He swores them in and dismisses on the gov`s demand.
Ron2
13 Sep 2024   #58
Whatever people say, Poland got a good deal when it comes to the Eastern borders after Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia joined the EU. Before that, 50% of Poland's total border was with the Soviet Union. Now it's only maybe 0.5% (Kaliningrad oblast). It changed Poland's strategic development.
Alien  25 | 6015
13 Sep 2024   #59
Now it's only maybe 0.5% (Kaliningrad oblast

In reality it is 6%


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