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The ruling party in Poland tries to take American owned TV news station off the air


Novichok 1 | 2,927
19 Jul 2021 #151
So which is worse.... a self-supporting private propaganda outlet or a state funded propaganda outlet

You are paying for both. One through taxes, the other one by the advertising fees buried in the prices of things you buy.
Private is actually worse. Facebook can push their propaganda by filtering content and banning posters and you can't sue them because they are private.

You can sue the government and win.
amiga500 2 | 568
19 Jul 2021 #152
or a state funded propaganda outlet that sucks up taxes from everyone

Yes but you have to remember the days before and up to the 2015 election, where all the television media were biased against PiS. Whilst not as extreme TVP in those days had very pro PO/establishment bias. I also remember a TVP Info presenter that was taken off the air in the weeks before the election due to his pro PiS views. So the transformation of TVP to a pro PiS outlet was a predictable response to the media echo chamber of the past. Has it gone to far? Yes but it's understandable, and it also was a factor in Polsat News tacking to the center.
OP mafketis 29 | 9,507
19 Jul 2021 #153
the other one by the advertising fees buried in the prices of things you buy

Don't buy from those who advertise on tvn and you're golden! It costs you nothing, unlike tvp....
pawian 178 | 15,897
19 Jul 2021 #154
So you deny that TVN gave money to neo-nazis to perform for the camera?

Yes, I deny it as another of your multiple lies here. Prove it, darling,

you know TVN is a PO propaganda outlet.

Another lie. Of course it isn`t coz it is also ciritical of PO when necessary. While PiSTV is never critical of PiS.

Why do neobolshevik rightards have to lie day and night??? It is really incredible.
PolAmKrakow 1 | 804
19 Jul 2021 #155
I find TVP funny really, its so absolutely off base of facts. That said, all the people who actually believe TVP as gospel is really what makes Poland look backward to so many other countries. My personal experiences here over the last three years are really unbelievable to people outside of Poland, and this TVP is just another example of the "youth" of democracy here, and the inexperience of real politics. TVN is not close to CNN or MSNBC, TVN is so much closer to center than any other broadcast I have seen, while TVP is FOX on a steroid induced rage.
OP mafketis 29 | 9,507
19 Jul 2021 #156
New theory: PiS bought all those tanks so that the US would turn a blind eye to removing an American owned media outlet that's often critical of the government....

Are they that dumb?

There are also reports that Gowin wants a change to the law (exempting the US from the forbidden list) or that perpetual losers Konfederacja is split and might vote for the bill.

Between this and the ambassador kerfuffle Poland is coming off as a really unreliable partner/ally (the US is a proven terrible ally so maybe the countries deserve each other?)
pawian 178 | 15,897
19 Jul 2021 #157
Poland is coming off as a really unreliable partner/ally

Not Poland but the ruling rightards.

Konfederacja is split and might vote for the bill.

Yes, I read about it - they prefer the Kremlin rather than the White House. hahaha
Crow 148 | 9,395
19 Jul 2021 #158
Leaders of Poland are wise to take American owned TV news station off the air. Satan works via mass media now.
OP mafketis 29 | 9,507
19 Jul 2021 #159
Not Poland but the ruling rightards.

The US isn't going to take that message away from the current debacles.... it's going to be "Poland is unreliable" not "PiS is unreliable"....

Though again, the US is a terrible ally so maybe not such a big loss....
pawian 178 | 15,897
19 Jul 2021 #160
it's going to be "Poland is unreliable" not "PiS is unreliable"....

You mean like all Germans were guilty, not only Nazis???
OK, it is harsh but I have to accept that ruling of history on Poland. It was Poles who voted for neobolshevik PIS, not aliens or Inuits.
Oathbreaker 1 | 216
19 Jul 2021 #161
OK, it is harsh but (...) Inuits.

Why not accuse PiS of growing trees? Or failing to land on the moon? Even better! You can make a new slogan "They got nothing on peacocks"

Same level of ridiculous ridicule and total lack of accurate descriptions
pawian 178 | 15,897
19 Jul 2021 #162
Why not accuse PiS of growing trees?

Don`t be silly. We are talking about suppressing independent media here, not trees.

Same level of ridiculous ridicule

Of course not. It seems you either know little about Polish problems and don`t care or you consciously support taking Poland out of the Western sphere and pushing it into the Kremlin realm. In either case, you sound like a useful idiot.
Sylvio 19 | 143
19 Jul 2021 #163
People should stop saying things like: "Americans own this..", or "Germans own that..".The fact is very ordinary people live in those countries. I know because I had lived there. People very similar to you, and I. None of them have any cross border beef. Global financiers who bid for media control are masons if Jewish extraction, with a suitcase full of flags. Paying their way into each country until they end up fully controlling the fate of their citizenry. Someone here mentioned Mr. G Soros. He has obviously decided to be known, but there are likely many, many other actors in this game, I'm $ure.
Novichok 1 | 2,927
19 Jul 2021 #164
People should stop saying things like: "Americans own this..",

Global financiers who bid for media control are masons if Jewish extraction,

Someone here mentioned Mr. G Soros.

As I said, if it is hostile to the host look for Jewish globalists like that pos Soros first.
amiga500 2 | 568
20 Jul 2021 #165
Why do neobolshevik rightards have to lie day and night??? It is really incredible.

Your furious response proves that you support giving money to neo-nazis. Just like Stalin worked with Nazis to invade Poland, so will Soviet PO traitors like Pawian work with actual neo-nazis in their bid to discredit Poland and gain power. They have no honor or morals. Aren't you even a tiny bit ashamed or has all humanity been scraped from your soul by your post-communist masters?
Oathbreaker 1 | 216
20 Jul 2021 #166
t. It seems you either know little about Polish problems

I know enough to not make it an international problem
pawian 178 | 15,897
20 Jul 2021 #167
Your furious response proves that you support giving money to neo-nazis.

We requested proofs, you neobolshevik liar. :):)

Pawian work with actual neo-nazis

No, I will never work with Konfa. Forget it.
amiga500 2 | 568
20 Jul 2021 #168
No, I will never work with Konfa. Forget it.

Looks like you are about too, dirty PO supporter, since Tusk will most likely do a deal with them. Since you are shameless you will then claim Konfa is the best thing since sliced bread, upstanding heroes that will rescue Poland from PiS. Traitors always turn on a dime and claim night is day to serve their masters.
Oathbreaker 1 | 216
20 Jul 2021 #169
No, I will never work with Konfa. Forget it.

Pity, fight it is
pawian 178 | 15,897
20 Jul 2021 #170
Looks like you are about too

Where are the proofs for us, liar?? Everything you say is one big lie. :):)
jon357 67 | 16,807
20 Jul 2021 #171
shameless

Almost as shameless as someone claiming that the highly-respected TVN somehow doesn't meet normal journalistic standards yet consistently fails to give actual real examples of this.

Everything you say is one big lie

PiS fanboys can do little else; they support an extreme authoritarian political tendency, one in which accuracy and integrity mean little or nothing and of course they enjoy the comfort of being a sheep, constantly lied to and given (in his case for smoking rather than eating) grass.
Oathbreaker 1 | 216
20 Jul 2021 #172
highly-respected TVN

You got to be kidding me, lol
I have only ever watched it for entertainment purposes. It's news reporters are a farce

One thing is to know what the government is gonna do, but listen to TVN?
jon357 67 | 16,807
20 Jul 2021 #173
I have only ever watched it for

You (and other juvenile extremists) don't get to define journalistic standards.

Something very well-established, and entirely absent on TVPiS.
Oathbreaker 1 | 216
20 Jul 2021 #174
@jon357
If I were an extremist, I would be hanging people by ropes along the streets... Something I don't do, so stop lying
amiga500 2 | 568
20 Jul 2021 #175
don't get to define journalistic standards.

Neither do old commie drag queens like yourself. Calling me a sheep, when you were the lackey and tea boy of the brit-boy bully club, you really are too much.
jon357 67 | 16,807
20 Jul 2021 #176
If I were an extremist,

You are.

I would be hanging people by ropes along the streets

No you wouldn't; for the very simple reason that the rule of law still exists in Poland and you would be locked up for a very long time. That or you're just a fantasist (which is frankly far more likely...).

Calling me a sheep, when

Yes, sheep. Very reasonable since you advocate online for an authoritarian, conservative, mainstream political party.
Oathbreaker 1 | 216
20 Jul 2021 #177
You are

Lying repeatedly doesn't make me one

No you wouldn't; for the very simple reason (...) long time.

Seems like you are underestimating my, intelligence, cunning, skills and abilities. That won't be in your favor.
jon357 67 | 16,807
20 Jul 2021 #178
Lying repeatedly doesn't make me one

It does however help.

Seems like you are underestimating my

Nothing to underestimate. Just the usual common or garden neuroses that leads a pathetic individual to openly support a banal and conformist political tendency when the rest of us enjoy the sunlight.
Oathbreaker 1 | 216
20 Jul 2021 #179
It does however help.

In what way might I ask?
I have only found it to be self-destructive in the long run. You don't mind lying?

a pathetic individual

That's your line of thought? Pathetic vs non-pathetic?

Good to know, we are nothing alike. I'll add you to my ignore list now. Don't want that line of thinking circulating in my brain
jon357 67 | 16,807
20 Jul 2021 #180
in the long run.

Over how many decades?

Good to know, we are nothing alike.

Indeed. It would be sad try to defend censorship of the media by a failing conformist regime.


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