Poland to return to Catholic tradition?

Showed some balls there for a change, you may become a Polish yet. Sundry foreigners sounds just right, government and Catholic Church dismantling pests sounds also right - doing rat's job all the while they remain in Poland.

Oh, not that one yet again, Pol. Conflating quotes from Napoleon and Lord Darlington doesn't prove anything. In fact your cliche refers to your country, the USA, more than any other on Earth.

@Roger: yes again! This cliché fits the USA the best.

For a start there's my right to have the medical treatment I feel is appropriate for me and which my GP agrees is right for me; Poland bans certain medical procedures on religious grounds.

Medical procedures don't equate with medical treatment. You aren't talking about sex change procedure are you?
Let me rephrase my question. Have you been refused medical care of your illness or injury on religious grounds?

Yes, sad to say the USA got saddled with Anglo-Saxon prejudices, quirks and inanities and to this day are laboruing under those WASP-ish inches, pounds and miles.

All the ills of the USA, the murder rate, the drugs, the million in prisons, the lousy education, etc. are the fault of the British. Official.

It wasn't Polish or Norwegian immigrants who massacred millions of Indians and brought African slaves in chains to America's shores but #%!&X)ß*%&$?+#¤! (that's a comic-book euphemism for expletives in case you didn't know!) arrogant, self-centred WASPs!

@Pol3: sure re Amrerican natives but as to African slaves, everybody in those days beneffited more of less from them. A lot of people got very rich, in Europe and in the US, a lot of towns developed with their inhabitants's lot improved. As to "Norwegian and Polish" immigrants, they did not mind moving to and living in a country where blacks were (and are still in many instances unfortunately) second class citizens so no "lesson" to give others.

They didn't even know. Teh masses of illiterate peasant immirgants only wnated to improve their life and didn't concen themselves with historical vicissitudes. But I repeat, until quite recently (and to quite an extent even today) IT WAS THE WASPS THAT RULED THE ROOST.

@Pol3: True at least for those arriving up to the early 20th century but the Poles moving later on of course knew about it but obviously for them a "ni####g#"""ger" did not mean a thing. What you say about the USA also applies to other places like Canada, Australia, New Zealand and a lot of others ... where natives were for most of them murdered. North American natives (for instance) are in a very poor shape but who cares about them? At least, American blacks (although too many of them still behind) have moved up and so much the better!

PS: generally speaking, how do Americans of Polish origin vote in American élections? For info, in France in areas where a lot of Polonia (1 million), the "front national" is very strong: coincidence or simply because racism and xenophobia MAY be "Polish values". I don't know, I just look ;)

The WASP-ruled establishment also suppressed historical facts that put them in bad light. The highly prasied Thomas Jefferson (like a typcial Anglo who felt you don't have to keep your word to a wog!) reneged on a pledge given to Kościuzsko who wanted his American fortune to be used to free and educate Negro slaves. The Polish general made Jefferson the administrator of his American estate, and the American agreed.

It wasn't until the 1970s that such facts first began surfacing. America's forcibly WASP-ified ethnics finally began gaining some measure of their rightful self-esteem and started saying: BLACK IS BEAUTIFUL, POLISH AND PROUD, KISS ME I'M IRISH, etc.

During what has come to be known as ethnic renaissance, people started realising that the WASPs' main claim to fame was that they came over on an earlier cattle boat. And they finally were bale to learn (earlier such things had been absent from school textbooks) that the highly over-rated Mayflower Pilgrims came to America to flee relgious persecution in Merry Olde England, but in the New World they and their descedants promptly began persecuting Quakers, Anglicans, Catholics, Baptists and others. That too is part of America's WASP heritage!


Used to be almost straight Democrat. Things started changing in the late 1960s when the Democratic Party, once perceived as the party of workers and immigrants, began morphing into a party of Hollywood glitterati, armchair leftists, sundry hippies and other loons and whackos. At present, the PolAm vote is roughly split between Democrats and Republicans. Many of those voting Democrat do so out of habit, for old times' sake or as a knee-jerk impulse without actually studying the Dems' liberal-leftist-libertine anti-religious agenda.

Thanks Pol ! So nothing particular! Polish Americans are of all different opinions and it is good. I don't know (maybe because of those on PF ;)) but I had imagined them all voting for the Republicans and next time for .... Trump..... I expect a lot of Polish Americans are working classes so "common sense" they vote for the Democrats.

Actually I'm talking about getting a vasectomy, something illegal under Polish law.


Interesting that in your version of history the Spanish and Portuguese were Anglo-Saxon protestants.

Working class yes, and that means they are pro-family, pro-Church, pro-patriotic (like PiS) and wary of LGBTQ nonsense. Don't confuse PolAms with the French (CGT) where trade unions identified with ideological leftism and anti-clericalism.

The procedure is almost unknown here. Absolutely no scientific reason for that at all.

There is absolutely no sensible reasons for such self-mutiliation as male sterilisation. Unless one is a dog or tomcat.

Tell that to the millions who have opted for that form of family planning. No reason whatsoever for it to be banned here in Poland.


Circumcision is pointless mutilation. A vasectomy is a very practical and valued medical procedure.

That surprises me. I once accompanied a brother to have it done at a Marie Stopes clinic in Newcastle. It took about twenty minutes. I'd have thought that Polish doctors would relish such a cash cow.


There is if you've had all the kids you want or can afford, and don't want your wife to poison herself with contraceptive pills. It's called being a gentleman.

No decent Catholic gentleman would stoop so low. Never heard of moderation or abstinence? What's wrong wtih exercising a bit of willpower?

Why should a couple (or anyone else) 'abstain' if they don't want to?

It's easy to get a vasectomy here, the operation is very simple (so simple that somebody I know who is a surgeon did his own). It's just not possible to get one legally here, due to some Catholics insist on forcing their beliefs down the throats of others (which means the cost is, like that of abortions in Poland, far higher than it needs to be).


One would have thought that no Catholic man would ever refuse to even acknowledge he has a daughter, but one would be wrong, wouldn't one.


Your religion calls for that. Mine doesn't. What gives you the right to impose your religious beliefs on me?

Life is not just about "wanting to". That's OK maybe for "me, myself and I" hedo-egoists and animals but not for homo sapiens. Life should be about being decent, kind, humble and helpful to others. Even decent godless can manage that. To a true Christian life is about serving God and fellow-man.

So the correct answer is that you haven't been refused medical care in Poland. What you are talking about are certain medical procedures that are illegal in Poland. That is a different kettle of fish don't you think?


No, Harry those are laws that reflect those values that Polish society generally adhere to. If you have problem with that you can always change your home address and climate for one more suitable for your testes ....ups I beg your pardon!... for your taste.

What's that (all very subjective anyway) to do with insisting that people 'abstain' from having a sex life? Unless you think that the religious view you espouse should be impose on others.

People are capable of deciding for themselves.

RCC demands their priests and nuns to "abstain" and .... Yesterday, I heard a (French) nun on tv saying that first of all, she was a ... woman ;)

At the moment when Christianity unites, if things continue in that direction, Poland`s return to Catholic tradition may prove to be best possible move in this global chess party. It would strengthen all Poland`s arguments and provide conditions for Intermarium, with bless of Vatican as well as from Russia. Poland`s power would rise, Poland`s influence would expand.

@Crow: you really live in your own fantasy island completely away from real world, don't you?

what you want to say? That is independent Poland impossible? If Poland`s return to Catholic tradition means that i am all for that. If it needs to strenghten assimilation of Poles i am against it. To whom would serve that- it is question? to Poles or to non-Poles.

Then she should have chosen a different profession: stewardess, secretary, waitress, barmaid, cashier, call-girl, so many to choose from.