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What should Poland do with the problem of Belarus?


jon357 69 | 18,445
25 Nov 2021 #1,321
Kremlin sabre rattling trick

An interesting point here. The refugees are now coming through Russia rather than directly to Belarus.

"A tourist visa for Russia costs $700. Once in Russia, traffickers take them secretly overland to the border with Belarus, and that costs another $500"
twitter.com/adam_eberhardt/status/1460886215528525830
Novichok 2 | 5,641
25 Nov 2021 #1,322
An interesting point here.

Even more interesting point is what to do.
So, leftist, what is your solution? 1. Let them in. 2. Keep them out.
jon357 69 | 18,445
25 Nov 2021 #1,323
NATO?

This is of course the big issue.

"The answer lies in Russia's ambitions for eastern Ukraine. The repeated sending and withdrawing of troops are intended to create a boy-who-cried-wolf effect, meaning that even if the Russian troops gather near the border for an actual invasion, the Ukrainians will assume that they will withdraw again."

They also ask why Belarus is pushing a huge influx of refugees to the Polish border to stress Europe? They suggest that Belarus must be receiving some financial or political reward from Russia, such as the supply of natural gas.

Otherwise, why would Russia invest its financial resources into a migrant crisis?

Their conclusion is that it has something else to gain.

japan-forward.com/prediction-russia-to-invade-eastern-ukraine-come-winter-olympics-2022/
mafketis 32 | 10,574
25 Nov 2021 #1,324
"The answer lies in Russia's ambitions for eastern Ukraine

Russia's only ambition for Eastern Ukraine are to create a land bridge to the Crimean white elephant (a horrible dysfunctional mess under Russian occupation, far worse than anything Ukraine could do). That was the whole point of the idiotic Malorossija project.

And his belligerent and low information base needs him to be projecting military force somewhere or they might notice what a crap show the government is....
Crow 152 | 9,820
25 Nov 2021 #1,325
Their conclusion is that it has something else to gain.

Sooner Anglos, Germanics and Vatican learn we live in Multi-Polar, diverse and non-globalistic world, the better.

We all have our interests.
jon357 69 | 18,445
25 Nov 2021 #1,326
@mafketis
True enough. The Olympics thing in the article is partly because it's a Japanese site and it's on their mind, but partly for another reason. Namely that Russia seized Crimea days after the Sochi Winter Olympics ended, they invaded Georgia on the day of the opening ceremony of the Beijing Olympics, and they think the Beijing Winter Olympics on February 4, 2022 is a possible date. Even if there are more sanctions from Europe, they've got good relations with China.

The Belarus border crisis is just part of their hybrid war and classic Russian maskirovka.
Crow 152 | 9,820
25 Nov 2021 #1,327
If its a hybrid war then its good. Its proof non can f*k Slavs. You try to f*k them, you yourself feel penetration.
jon357 69 | 18,445
25 Nov 2021 #1,328
you yourself feel penetration.

Like the bombs that fell on Serbia?

This is a hybrid war in which Poland is definitely not on Russia's side.
Crow 152 | 9,820
25 Nov 2021 #1,329
Before bombs happened multiple genocides on Serbs before WWI, in WWI and WWII. By Ottomans, Austrians, Germanics, Greeks, Vatican. All would get what goes to them and will be peace.
jon357 69 | 18,445
25 Nov 2021 #1,330
WWI and WWII.

That is the past.

Now we've a new war coming, and one where the Putinists would love for the Sarajevo moment to happen on Poland's border with the enemy in Belarus.
Crow 152 | 9,820
25 Nov 2021 #1,331
Poland is Slavic world and Slavs are now strongest in Europe. Poland won`t be harmed.
jon357 69 | 18,445
25 Nov 2021 #1,332
Slavic world and Slavs are now strongest in Europe.

No it isn't, and no they aren't.

Poland won`t be harmed.

It has in every other major war in Europe, from the Seven Years War, through the Napoleonic Wars, through the Eastern Front in WWI to devastation in the last one.

Where do you imagine the bombs would fall?
Crow 152 | 9,820
25 Nov 2021 #1,333
Bombs won`t wall on Poland. I assure you if manic EU and NATO arrange bombs to fall on Poland, Germany and Britain will be flattened in retaliation because POLAND IS SLAVIC WORLD and its all the game to reduce Slavs. So others will be reduced if Poland is harmed.

So, Poland wont be harmed because EU and NATO leading powers knows epilogue if they move too far.
jon357 69 | 18,445
25 Nov 2021 #1,334
Poland, Germany and Britain

Putin's bombs are the risk. Britain and France are less vulnerable due to being nuclear states whose nukes are on submarines rather than in silos.

Poland wont be harmed

Poland is especially vulnerable, even though nowadays bombs are likely to be aimed at military targets rather than cities. The Suwalki Gap is a particular risk.
Crow 152 | 9,820
25 Nov 2021 #1,335
You don`t understand. Take the map. Look Britain, France and Germany. Only few nukes explode and they are nothing. What would their submarines? Some would sacrifice themselves and most would simple escape to USA. What would USA? USA would ask for peace.

Poland is especially vulnerable

Poland is safe. If Poland gets nuke it would always be on the scenario of EU and NATO. By their doing. No matter who use the nuke. So Slavic world would retaliate. Why? Destroyed Poland would create such a dis-balance within Slavic world and Russia would be forced to act against EU and NATO powers in order to avoid total moral defeat within Slavic world. Simple, nothing would be same without Poland. It would turn to fanatical war for extermination of old enemy that is behind Drang Nach Osten and all evil came from it. Russia would be forced to use maximal force and after China join (because China must join for geo-strategic reasons), USA would be destroyed.

See? USA knows this and USA wants to avoid this. That is why Poland wont be harmed.

Just one nuke fall on Poland and thing turn into war to the extermination.

Why do you thing elite of Poland allows heavy arming of Serbia from Russia via Poland`s air space.

Stronger Serbia, bigger chaos in Europe if Poland is harmed.
Cojestdocholery 2 | 462
25 Nov 2021 #1,336
Migrants w Wędrzynie, group of them acted aggressively, destroyed some property, broke windows. They chanted freedom and claimed they want to go to Germany.

It means they lied while claiming refugee status in Poland.
I think they should be deported right away.\

EU and NATO

The EU is doing nothing, they don't care about Ukraine, they want to keep making money. Ukraine trusted Germany and they will see what it means.

USA with Biden are acting really weak.

If Poland is harmed

Poland is being harmed. Russia play is to make Poland a province of Germany/EU. A weak dependent country cut off from Belarus and Ukraine.
pawian 182 | 17,123
25 Nov 2021 #1,337
Poland is being harmed. Russia play is to make Poland a province of Germany/EU.

Yes, while you prefer Poland to be a province of Russia. PiS has nothing against it, either.
jon357 69 | 18,445
25 Nov 2021 #1,338
w Wędrzynie,

He's trying to make it sound like it was people's houses rather than at the refugee centre in Wędrzyn..

Poland to cooperate in genocide in Kosovo

The possibility of that is of course a big fat zero.

Should there be trouble again in independent Kosovo, he should remember that Poland is a proud member of NATO and would be acting against the crazy Serbs. The same with Belarus. Poland is not on their side.

Please keep to the topic everyone
jon357 69 | 18,445
25 Nov 2021 #1,339
An image of the refugee camp at Wędrzyn.

The news is that around 150 people detained in the camp (at an army training base near the German border) want to continue their journey on to Germany.

twitter.com/kapturak/status/1463979724259143683

Not much happening in the camp apart from a protest, and the Polish government say they've sent 500 troops there.



Poloniusz 4 | 396
25 Nov 2021 #1,340
the refugee camp

The EU and Poland regard them as migrants.

Why are you deliberately and misleadingly calling them "refugees"?

Which were the first neighboring countries of asylum for these so-called "refugees"?

Remember, Poland doesn't border Asia, Africa or the Middle East.
jon357 69 | 18,445
25 Nov 2021 #1,341
Some footage of today's events at the refugee camp. Things have apparently settled down now:
twitter.com/Marcin_Maludy/status/1463957655249211398



mafketis 32 | 10,574
25 Nov 2021 #1,342
Why are you deliberately and misleadingly calling them "refugees"?

He's PMC (professional managerial class) and migrants are a form of labor discipline (the function of the PMC is to enforce labor discipline). A neoliberal society needs a large class of disposable, skillless people (and if they're prone to violence and crime then all the better to keep the indigenouns working class in line).

"Refugee" is no longer a legal term with any real meaning, it's an emotional label that's useful for squeezing the proltetariat....
Novichok 2 | 5,641
26 Nov 2021 #1,343
Why are you deliberately and misleadingly calling them "refugees"?

Leftists lie all the time to advance their leftist agenda by playing on the emotions of the naive and the obedient.

Remember, Poland doesn't border Asia, Africa or the Middle East.

Not to take anything away from your brilliant comment...but I have been saying this like forever. The scum ARE NOT REFUGEES. They are illegal trespassers looking for a bigger welfare check.

"Refugee" is no longer a legal term with any real meaning,

...made so deliberately to soften our "hearts" and the brains by the PMCs and apologists like joun.

Hey, joun, what do you propose? 1. Let them in or 2. Keep them out.
Poloniusz 4 | 396
26 Nov 2021 #1,344
They are illegal trespassers looking for a bigger welfare check.

Absolutely. And they will never be productive members of society either. There is intergenerational welfare dependency with large immigrant groups in woke countries like France, Germany, the UK and Sweden. Granted these same countries have below-replacement birth rates with their native stock due to feminism. Their leftist governments (yes, even the ones which claim to be conservative are now only that in name only) are debt spending on these imported deadbeats to keep the gears turning for local consumption. But eventually that Ponzi scheme will end in failure. The wokerati playing this game are just hoping they will either be dead themselves or be able to retire to another continent before they have to face the consequences of their destructive policies.
Novichok 2 | 5,641
26 Nov 2021 #1,345
But eventually that Ponzi scheme will end in failure.

The problem nobody wants to admit is that the process of contaminating white Christian societies with foreign Muslim scum is irreversible.
This thought is so unpleasant that the subject is either avoided or dismissed with "we can always deport them" or "we are no longer doing it".

Well, leftist a-holes, it's either a lie or too late...

It's pancreatic cancer in slow motion with the same cure rate of 2%.
Poloniusz 4 | 396
26 Nov 2021 #1,346
it's either a lie or too late...

It's always by design even though at the time public concerns are denigrated and dismissed as being stuff of conspiracy theories.

In the case of the UK (a part of the EU at the time) it was openly admitted to decades after the scheme took place:

Labour threw open Britain's borders to mass immigration to help socially engineer a "truly multicultural" country, a former Government adviser has revealed.

'The huge increases in migrants over the last decade were partly due to a politically motivated attempt by ministers to radically change the country and "rub the Right's nose in diversity..."'

Link: telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/6418456/Labour-wanted-mass-immigration-to-make-UK-more-multicultural-says-former-adviser.html
jon357 69 | 18,445
26 Nov 2021 #1,347
230 crossed today, according to the Polish government.

An interesting take on it here:

War with Russia in Europe - Is Putin's Real Target Belarus, Not Ukraine?

americandefensenews.com/2021/11/24/war-with-russia-in-europe-is-putins-real-target-belarus-not-ukraine/
Novichok 2 | 5,641
26 Nov 2021 #1,348
Labour threw open Britain's borders to mass immigration to help socially engineer a "truly multicultural" country,

Do you actually mean without asking the subjects if they agree? I am soooo shocked!

I thought that Western "democracies" listen to their voters and do not engage in social Nazi-style manipulations.

An interesting take on it here:

Even more interesting...What do you propose? 1. Let them in or 2. Keep them out.

BTW, do you, joun, realize that your posts are the most boring posts ever written?
Crow 152 | 9,820
26 Nov 2021 #1,349
Things have apparently settled down now

Of course things settled down. Intelligence of Poland is not to be underestimated. Refugees travel to home, to the western Europe and let them.

Poland is a proud member of NATO and would be acting against the crazy Serbs. The same with Belarus. Poland is not on their side.

You know nothing of people in Poland.

Poland is being harmed.

Yes, but its limited little harm. Nothing dramatic.

Poland is hypnotized and spell must be broken.

The EU is doing nothing

EU doing everything. Remember, behind EU is vermin of Drang Nach Osten. Vermin is always to be blamed.
Novichok 2 | 5,641
26 Nov 2021 #1,350
You know nothing of people in Poland.

Ask the PF leftist if to let them in or keep them out. I tried numerous times but my English must be incomprehensible, I guess...

Poland is hypnotized and spell must be broken.

I call it stupor except that Poland is actually wide awake with both middle fingers up for all to see - unlike the pussies in the UK.


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