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What should Poland do with the problem of Belarus?


jon357 69 | 18,360
23 Nov 2021 #1,291
Some interesting comments about the wider issue. It seems now that the extremist Viktor Orban is threatening to get involved.

He wants money from the EU (this is a pretext, since he knows he won't get it) and has said he's "ready to open a corridor for migrants to march up to Austria, Germany, and Sweden."

foreignpolicy.com/2021/11/22/poland-belarus-border-crisis-migration-eu-politics/
Novichok 1 | 5,101
23 Nov 2021 #1,292
Some interesting comments about the wider issue

Skip it. What is your solution?
jon357 69 | 18,360
23 Nov 2021 #1,293
An interesting analysis of the situation here:

" Russia is clearly the key guarantor of the survival of the Lukashenko regime, even though the regime has skillfully resisted Russia's ambitions to consolidate the Belarus-Russia "Union State." "

" Second, the Lukashenko regime may have reached a threshold of pain in terms of sanctions. Its escalation of the crisis with the West certainly suggests that this is not business as usual"

nationalinterest.org/feature/west-should-be-ready-coerce-belarus-196916
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,791
23 Nov 2021 #1,294
and has said he's "ready to open a corridor for migrants to march up to Austria, Germany, and Sweden."

As he should - just like Castro once said "I have flushed the toilets of Cuba into the United States" If the western countries don't want more "spontaneous cultural enrichment" they need to pay up to the one that will prevent the problem from happening.

You know it's a problem and huge regret from 2015 when even Merkel and the other W. European leaders don't want more illegal migrants coming in.
jon357 69 | 18,360
23 Nov 2021 #1,295
The latest from the border.

""The tactics and the methods are changing and perhaps the new wave will be less spectacular...but this does not mean the situation is calming down," Stanislaw Zaryn, a spokesperson for Poland's special services, told a news conference."

reuters.com/world/europe/poland-says-migrants-still-crossing-belarus-despite-steps-by-minsk-2021-11-23/

So many posts here from the usual suspects whining pointlessly about migration in general. Suckers, distracted by people who are cleverly distracting them. While Putain builds up his troops on the Ukraine border and while we are heading for a war.

It's not often that I agree with the PiS regime, however they are right about the danger from Putain. His puppets Orban and Ɓukaszenka are a danger that need dealing with, however the real danger is when the missiles start flying.
Crow 151 | 9,727
23 Nov 2021 #1,296
Nothing else matters. Not the feeelings, not compassion, nothing...
How about it, naive dreamers...

You see yourself. Germany goes green and some others, like my country, enters re-industrialization and robotization.

Its not matter of dreaming. Its the matter of sustainable growth. We have, Germany does not.
Novichok 1 | 5,101
23 Nov 2021 #1,297
So many posts here from the usual suspects whining pointlessly about migration in general.

Another whiny post from a leftist who just won't say what to do about the waves. I mean foreign scum, not covid.
jon357 69 | 18,360
23 Nov 2021 #1,298
Germany goes green and some others, like my country, enters re-industrialization

Germany is not de-industrialising.

Nevertheless energy supply (poor in the Balkans, btw) is a key factor in the current Putinist aggression in eastern and central Europe. Whether he cuts of the power this winter is something we will find out. Meanwhile, let the masses be distracted into hating those crossing at he border while the real action happens in Moscow.
Crow 151 | 9,727
23 Nov 2021 #1,299
So German media preach green and people begins to think green. Germany, ecological country. Practically naked

Businesses Go Green in Germany
> dw.com/en/businesses-go-green-made/av-57493310

With both investors and customers seeking greener products, the move towards more environmentally-friendly processes can actually be profitable.

pawian 180 | 17,056
23 Nov 2021 #1,300
I mean brainless leftists,

No, you constantly prove you are a brainless rightard if you advise shooting against our reasonable arguments. On the contrary, you are sinking into your mental swamp deeper and deeper.
amiga500 2 | 983
24 Nov 2021 #1,301
Not unexpected survery results, 69 percent of poles are against accepting refugees/migrants on the belarusian border with 26 percent for. Intersting that only PO in a 57 percent majority want to accept migrants, even lewica voters are not in the majority for that with for and against at 49 percent each. Seems like mindless anti pis policy just for the sake of it by PO supporters, at least pawian is not that dumb

twitter.com/NowyObywatel/status/1463403311130947587
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,636
24 Nov 2021 #1,303
Heh:):):)
...and here I thought of posting that....but I didn't dare....:):):)
jon357 69 | 18,360
24 Nov 2021 #1,304
shooting

Very illegal.

And what Putain is hoping for.
Novichok 1 | 5,101
24 Nov 2021 #1,306
He is making things up to feel good.
pawian 180 | 17,056
25 Nov 2021 #1,307
According to what law?

Universal. Backed up by the International Court of Justice in the Hague. Ever heard of court trials for war criminals there?
So, stop asking infantile questions and playing stupid coz you perfectly know what we are talking about.
Cojestdocholery 2 | 248
25 Nov 2021 #1,308
you perfectly know what we are talking about.

No, I don't!

Heh:):):)

Germany are not that bad this time. Maybe because Poland stop all these people from coming to Germany. However if someone will say that the EU make Poland safe. It is safe to assume that person is not in his right mind.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,636
25 Nov 2021 #1,309
However if someone will say that the EU make Poland safe.

....any news about the (a) wall?
Cojestdocholery 2 | 248
25 Nov 2021 #1,310
No, not yet. Any news about a deal with Putin made by the EU regierung in Berlin?
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,636
25 Nov 2021 #1,311
Could be!

It seems that the green politician Annalena Baerbock is set for the position of foreign minister (till now Heiko Maas). Beside that she has zero experience in any kind of important governmental job and isn't that close with telling (or writing) the truth generally, she is an outspoken adversary of Nord Stream 2 and not a friend of Putin at all.

Of course, being part of the government brings always some changes to some positions compared to the time in the opposition (Realpolitik!) but I could believe that Putin did put away the Champagne unopened as the news of this came out of Berlin yesterday...

'We can't allow ourselves to be blackmailed' by Russia, Annalena Baerbock said.

politico.eu/article/baerbock-against-operating-permit-for-nord-stream-2/

...The green co-leader also believes that providing Nord Stream 2 with a regulatory approval would be contrary to European rules.The Nord Stream 2 AG company, which will own and operate the pipeline, is wholly owned by Russian giant Gazprom, which goes against the EU's gas directive. "As long as that is one and the same corporation, the operating permit must not be granted," Baerbock argues. ...

Could become interesting! :)
amiga500 2 | 983
25 Nov 2021 #1,312
foreignpolicy

This formerlly serious magazine has become a woke virtue signalling joke, the author of that piece is a student and is in reality subtly advocating for open borders, another under qualified diversity hire. no one who is in the proffesional sphere takes foreign policy magazine seriously.
jon357 69 | 18,360
2 days ago #1,313
a woke virtue signalling joke

Or just one you don't share the view of.

Universal. Backed up by the International Court of Justice in the Hague.

Exactly. Which is why we don't shoot civilians here. That and common human decency.
Novichok 1 | 5,101
2 days ago #1,314
Exactly. Which is why we don't shoot civilians here.

Another leftist "don't".
So, leftist, what should Poland do? 1. Let them in. 2. Keep them out.
jon357 69 | 18,360
2 days ago #1,315
another under qualified diversity hire.

Any evidence of that?
Crow 151 | 9,727
2 days ago #1,316
I love Poland and Belarus. I want peace between them.
Alien 4 | 435
2 days ago #1,317
@Novichok; let them in/keep them out
Assuming they want go to Germany it is simpler to let them in. Keep them out cost money and manpower. Germany will find a purpose for them.
Novichok 1 | 5,101
2 days ago #1,318
Germany will find a purpose for them.

You being in Germany, I take this as sarcasm.
Hey, leftists, why are you so shy? So, what should Poland do? 1. Let them in. 2. Keep them out.
jon357 69 | 18,360
2 days ago #1,319
Keep them out cost money

There's currently around 7000 in Belarus of who 3,000 are in the border region. Only a thousand have returned so the issue won't go away any time soon.
Novichok 1 | 5,101
2 days ago #1,320
the issue won't go away

So, leftist, what is your solution? 1. Let them in. 2. Keep them out.


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