What should Poland do with the problem of Belarus?

Dont you think that should be stopped?These guys are spending 30/40k Euros a family.


They are not weak at all,they just want to abuse the system and let the hard working people foot there bill.

Yes, however governments of all flavours have yet to manage it. If it was so easy, they'd not be coming.


A 20 quid market knock-off. I'm wearing a Rolex today. From Iraq.

There are people who can tell the difference, and they claim the clothes/equipment are genuine, but it's a secondary issue anyway - their actions and willful cooperation with Lukashenka's and Putin's criminal regimes make them anything but "poor, innocent pawns".

Could be. However, some of the Polish show-business people are going to the border to help the migrants, they give them food and clothes (and meet up with local people who are helping the migrants too), like a well known actor Maciej Stuhr and his wife, for example:

kobieta.wp.pl/katarzyna-blazejewska-stuhr-o-sytuacji-na-granicy-jak-slysze-te-historie-to-nie-moge-spac-6702964742007680a

So, another possibility could be that they're getting some expensive clothes from them.


They are breaking the law by crossing the border (which I don't approve, btw), but wouldn't you be doing the same if you were desperate enough (living in some sh*thole where your kids would have no future or would be persecuted)?

They should use gas, rubber bullets and send all those that crossed back to their country.


Show off!
Those people are pitiful with their egos and no much else to show.

@Cojestdocholery, I don't think Stuhr is a show off. I'm guessing that you haven't read the interview with his wife that I linked to. Earlier Stuhr and his wife took a woman and her kids from Chechnya to their own house, they lived with them under one roof for almost a year. She and her kids got an asylum in Poland thanks to the couple's help.


Stuhr and his wife clearly have more to show: compassion, charity, empathy.

Let's remember that people with children are a small minority there, and they are not the most aggresive ones. Having said that, the way they endanger their children is despicable and I would never do that. Also, people who can pay $5000-$8000 per person to Lukashenka for the entire trafficking operation are certainly not poor. I think the days of protraying them as "poor, innocent pawns and victims, fleeing war" are over, even in the liberal leftist media in the West. The EU currently has a much more realistic point of view on the matter, after the previous wave of "poor refugees".

So do I. Everyday. Not in the spotlight. I use a common sense too.So how many people they helped this time?
Maybe they should help them go back to their country. They were doing well if they could afford 10 of 1000 euros.

How long would it take for the Polish war machine to liberate Minsk?

Centuries longer than it would take an SS25 to reach Rembertow.


Like Saddam and Adolf?

The men usually go first in order to bring their family later once they settle in.
I'm not surprised that people become aggressive when they get trapped in a cold forest with not much food, no place to sleep, no barhroom and toilet and being treated like a tennis ball by both Belarusian and Polish border guards. Some of them have been there for a month already and experienced many "push-backs".

As for money - often the whole family chips in for such a journey. I wouldn't be surprised if they were selling stuff to fund it too.

I don't approve aggression or violence, but some of them may have enough already - I think that's understandable.


It's possible that I would if I lived in Afghanistan, for example. There are worse things that can happen to kids than being stuck in a forest, trust me. Much worse. We don't know what's the situation of those people back home, so I wouldn't be so judgemental.


How? By being a GP? lol Sorry, but that's your job and you're being paid for that. Stuhr and his wife aren't being paid for what they're doing. And it's hard not be in the spotlight when you're a famous actor. I also think celebrities should be letting the public know about such actions, because they show a good example in this way.


Why don't you read the interview?

Not Poland's fault.

Harsh facts:

More people want to live in Europe than Europe can allow in (and remain Europe). And the more let in the more will want o be let in.

Letting people in because you feel sorry for them only strengthens the human trafficking networks.

a novel solution: entrepreneur visas for westerners to settle in parts of the countries hemorrhaging refugees (with a high degree of self-rule and autonomy so they would be immune to local corruption and be free of local restrictive religious practices). They could establish superior models of government that locals have so far proven incapable of...

A common myth. When you escape from danger - real danger - you don't send young, strong men first. You save the most vulnerable ones at all cost.


If we are to believe the statistics, most people at the Polish border come from Iraq. There is currently no war in Iraq, and even if they come from countries where military actions take place, they should seek refuge in the first safe country, according to international law.

Your posts are very 2015. It's 2021 and luckily today we know much more about the criminal human trafficking and mechanisms behind it.

Partly it is Poland's fault, because of the policy of "push-backs". And I'm just saying that in such circumstances people more easily become aggressive.


Do you have any proof for that?

Don't worry, the US is arming Europe up again.

the-sun.com/news/4040068/us-nuclear-germany-eagle-hypersonic-missiles-moscow/

DARK EAGLE HAS LANDED
US to arm nuclear unit in Germany with 4,000mph 'Dark Eagle' hypersonic missiles to 'blitz Moscow in 21 MINS'

So Poland should not enforce legal border into the EU? Do you want to let them all in (including all that Belarus flies in in the future?) What is your numerical limit? 10,000? 100,000? 10,000,000? 100,000,000?

The number of young men among the first wave (and the consequent ones) of refugees to Europe and relatively low percentage of them trying to bring their families over (which is understandable, seeing that most of them don't have wives and children yet) would seem to confirm that. Also, the history of all major military conflicts show that ranks of refugees (genuine refugees) are full of women, children and the elderly. Not so much among the consecutive Arab waves, which throws some light on the matter.

The myth of strong young men, coming here to get jobs (how many of them do, by the way?) and bring their families over is so busted that even the leftist press doesn't use it nowadays.

Apparently majority of them are Kurds. What do you know about the situation of Kurds in Iraq?


Why? Because I'm trying to be objective and not forget that those migrants are human beings? I'm not saying that we should be letting in anyone who wants to cross our border illegally. But we shouldn't be demonizing or dehumanizing those people only because we don't want to let them in. Btw, young men are people too, not only women and children.


Even if that's true, they still could be sending money to their families back home, just like Poles do. My relative who worked for years in Germany also didn't bring his wife and daughter there - he was sending them money. When he went to Germany he also was a young man.

We don't know that (also because some of them have this funny tendency of burning their documents on arrival - documented cases in border camps). We only know their country of origin and if we are to believe the reports of US and Polish intelligence there are veterans among them trained to conduct terrorist attacks in the EU. Asking to let those people in and grant them asylum is nothing short of madness. Lukashenka brought them to Belarus en masse, so let him worry about it - we have our duties, first and foremost, towards the safety and well-being of our citizens.


No. Because you would seem to ignore the whole body of evidence that shows that significant part of the people at the border are anything but "poor, innocent refugees".


Of course not. But we also cannot be blind to their cooperation with criminal regimes and serious cases of breaking the law. We also shouldn't in any way facilitate illegal border crossing by those people.


Oh, certainly. However the percentage of young men at the border completely busts the myth of them being genuine war refugees.


Germany is Poland's neighbour - that's where you go for safety, the first safe country where there is no war or persecution. Period.

This whole situation is so retarded: All these people only want to come to Germany because they know how much benefits they will get there. After 2015 they should've removed all the incentives to come to Germany as an unskilled migrant. Unskilled immigration is net loss for both the destination country and the migrants themselves with only the human traffickers and the welfare industry as profiteers. But instead of removing the pull factors the left denies that they even exist and the right gets bogged down in pointless discussions about deportations and border control. This problem will continue to haunt us for the forseeable future.

This is a good thing so word gets back to others not to come.
Don't reward them for crossing the border illegally.


Of course not.
What has happened on America's border is that we have found out that many of these 'strong young men' have been released from prisons.

An excellent way to get rid of a countries undesirables by emptying your prisons allowing them to go burden another country with serious crime.

rein in your unhealthy phantasies, you very sick man.


He should stick to what he is getting paid for , smile and shake his ass in front of the camera.
They get so much spot light it is not good for them, they start to think they are very special and wise.

They celerbities - are pitiful egomaniacs. Look at the Kurdej- Szatan, and now that Młynarska known only due to her father's fame is defending her. Who she thinks she is?

By the way I'm not getting paid for charity and empathy. Your dismissivie attitude is dully noted. As a stupid perosn you are taken by some show that cost them next to nothing and change little. While you dismiss everyday efford that makes people's life better. Shallow.

Turning off the welfare magnet is not enough. The scum can work off the books, steal, or beg. When the scum gets sick, it gets treated. "We can't just let them die". When the scum commits a crime, it ends up in an all-inclusive resort aka prison - in Europe, much better than what the scum left at home. And then the scum can have babies...and, you know the rest.

This mad chain starts with preventing the scum from setting foot in the target country - no matter what it takes.

Maybe the EU shouldn't have given in to Erdogans extortoins, eh?
Stuff like this is what you get if you signal being susceptible to blackmail.

What you just said is an insane circle of madness. Who gives a damn if the aggressor becomes more aggressive. There are more of us and we have better equipment to handle any crap from the aggressor.

Your "logic" leads to if the aggressor is resisted he will be even more aggressive, therefore, we should not resist the aggressor. Fu*cking brilliant.

Nothing new, and of course Putain has even more weapons.


Exactly. They're stressed enough as it is and after two flights, a week in Minsk (a surreal place for someone from their environment) and an awful trek through a forest (the first forest any of them have seen) they are not about to give up.


Says the person who suggested gassing people..,

Therefore WHAT?

Oh for God's sake... I didn't write that aggression shouldn't be resisted, I was just explaining what are the reasons for it.

I see that you guys are getting into some kind of frenzy because of this border crisis, to such a point that you are either starting to have problems with reading comprehension or you oveinterpret what I'm writing, despite the fact that I made clear already what I think about crossing the border illegally, about how this crisis should be resolved and that I feel for the members of Polish forces securing the border and their families.

I don't have time right now to explain myself and comment on everything in detail though, I'll probably do that in the coming days, so show some patience, guys, and don't lynch me just yet lol

Which was as pointless as saying that people react. Wow! That was profound!

We naturally expect posters to include the consequences of their ideas - directly or by implication. Yours had none. So here is mine: when they become too aggressive, shoot them. It works.

Actually, I pray that they do get aggressive enough to justify once and for all the use of deadly force by the good guys.


Another inconclusive genius...

Gerald Knaus just called (the advisor of Merkel...the one with the grande idea to pay Erdogan those billions).....he now says Poland should disturb Lukashenko's trafficker modell and take the immigrants in first BUT then distribute them across safe non-EU countries (Ukraine???).

The democratic countries should build an "anti-blackmail-pact" against Putin and Lukashenko.

focus.de/politik/ausland/lukaschenkos-schleusermodell-zerstoeren-xxx_id_24424798.html

I wonder what the Ukraine thinks of that idea.....