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What should Poland do with the problem of Belarus?


Crow  154 | 9297
12 Nov 2021   #841
If Poland decides .... then so be it. Until then, wanting Poland to betray/attack an ally marks you out as an open enemy of Poland.

You are a fool. Learn basic facts. Alliance of Poland with Germany, Turkey and rest of NATO and EU, Vatican included is a naked d*ck in comparison to Poland`s bonds and old alliance with Racowie. Hey man, Serbs were military elite of Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and our connections started in time before time. We are one people practically falsely divided by false borders.

Its not sin to ask Poland to care for its own interests and connect more with Her loyal brethren. Why alliances with those who killing Poland.

You're suggesting that Poland should ally with the human filth and disgrace to slavdom Lukashenka

Luka isn`t bigger filth then Biden, Macron, Merkel, Boris or Pope. He is a child in comparison to those mental brutes.

And I don`t suggest Belarus as ally but I wouldn`t exclude that. I now suggest Serbia within Visegrad and then we evolve onto Commonwealth.

Fo* EU and NATO. Let us liberate ourselves while we still can.
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11803
12 Nov 2021   #842
Erm....

DARK EAGLE HAS LANDED US to arm nuclear unit in Germany with 4,000mph 'Dark Eagle' hypersonic missiles to 'blitz Moscow in 21 MINS'

the-sun.com/news/4040068/us-nuclear-germany-eagle-hypersonic-missiles-moscow/



Might have something to do with that?

U.S. Warns Europe That Russia May Be Planning Ukraine Invasion

bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-11-11/u-s-warns-europe-that-russian-troops-may-plan-ukraine-invasion

....The U.S. is raising the alarm with European Union allies that Russia may be weighing a potential invasion of Ukraine as tensions flare between Moscow and the bloc over migrants and energy supplies.

With Washington closely monitoring a buildup of Russian forces near the Ukrainian border, U.S. officials have briefed EU counterparts on their concerns over a possible military operation, according to multiple people familiar with the matter....


Still.....going nuclear now? Over Illegals???
Novichok  5 | 7824
12 Nov 2021   #843
Few things are more enjoyable than watching brainless leftists squirm.

The hordes at the Polish border offer this simple pleasure and put said brainless leftists in front of a dilemma. Do I oppose the hordes and join Polish patriots or act out as a brainless leftist, oppose the Polish border guys, express courage at that beautiful razor-sharp barbed wire, and say that the hordes should be allowed to enter. Hmm...

The problem is that that damn Novichok is just waiting to drop the hammer with his usual "how many" question. Hmm...what to do? Patriot or leftist moron?
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11803
12 Nov 2021   #844
Few things are more enjoyable than watching brainless leftists squirm.

It won't be only brainless leftists becoming nuclear waste if pushes came to shove and someone presses the red button....me in Berlin too! You are gonna miss me, so there! :(
Novichok  5 | 7824
12 Nov 2021   #845
My dear BB, I don't want any harm to you... I am talking about just taking a stand and the sides in the hordes-at-the-gates quandary - here and now.

Did you notice the deafening silence from the usual suspects here? Let them in or keep them on the other side...I love it!

Hello, brainless leftists, what say you?
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11803
12 Nov 2021   #846
Well.....it's not such a clear cut black-white case, and 2015 was such a disaster we still haven't fully recovered from....the changes in the german political landscape are profound and there to stay. There is no appetite for more of that!

Understandable...but longterm the biggest change will be the break of the taboo about fortified EU outer borders, the "Festung Europa"....mark my words!
Novichok  5 | 7824
12 Nov 2021   #847
.it's not such a clear cut black-white case,

...for you personally or the leftist globalist slime out there?

the changes in the german political landscape are profound and there to stay.

I really understand that but this should have nothing to do with how Poland maintains the integrity of its borders.
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11803
12 Nov 2021   #848
....for all those self-declared "Menschenfreunde" people like me with more of a rational brain still on their shoulders we often were called "Menschenhasser" or "Rassisten"....or "Islamophobes" and what not.

Also very popular: We (especially Ossis) need more exposure to such illegals so that we come to understand and like them better (no joke)....

I really understand that but this should have nothing to do with how Poland maintains the integrity of its borders.

No, it shouldn't....but our "Menschenfreunde" feel themselves so much superior to everybody else...
Novichok  5 | 7824
12 Nov 2021   #849
By now, those are badges of honor. I have more on my chest.

We need more exposure to such illegals so that we come to understand and like them better (no joke)....

I can say the same about cobra venom. No. Thanks. I will just read about it.

I noticed that it's just you and me who are sane here.
johnny reb  47 | 7678
12 Nov 2021   #850
On the other side of the fence, Russia has deployed paratroopers to Belarus to participate in 'joint drills'.
jon357  73 | 23073
12 Nov 2021   #851
On the other side of the fence, Russia has deployed paratrooper

And thousands of troops elsewhere on borders, as well as Belarus. The paratroopers are currently about 15 miles from Poland. Not ready yet for an invasion, but certainly both practising and testing the water.
johnny reb  47 | 7678
12 Nov 2021   #852
Russia may be weighing a potential invasion of Ukraine

Ukraine is very vulnerable right now.
They are in an energy crisis.
It did not use the summer months to fill its gas storage.
It lacks thermal coal to generate electricity and to heat its cities.
It will now import coal from Poland, the United States and South Africa.
That is not only expensive but also likely too late to avoid blackouts.
What an excellent time for Russia to invade.
amiga500  5 | 1494
13 Nov 2021   #853
What an excellent time for Russia to invade.

No point invading if you can starve and bankrupt a country, the electoral results will fall your way eventually. Zelenski was elected on appealing to the russian speakers and getting away from the militancy of Poroshenko. He has done the opposite, and unless democracy is abolished in Ukraine, the next government will be elected on making peace with Russia

On Polsat News there was footage of a young kurdish migrant, burning his Iraqi Passport in the campfire, saying it will be easier to get asylum in Germany if he claims he is from Syria What is the go with Iraqi Kurdistan?, a few years ago it was regarded as the switzerland of Iraq. I do believe the Kurds still have autonomy there and the area is relatively wealthy. I guess that is why the young men can afford the 10k to get to Belarus.
Novichok  5 | 7824
13 Nov 2021   #854
there was footage of a young kurdish migrant, burning his Iraqi Passport

By this act, that scum made himself undeportable. Brilliant
johnny reb  47 | 7678
13 Nov 2021   #855
That sums up your own viewpoint well, amiga500.
Either way, the U.S. apparently courts failure.
Either Ukraine remains territorially state and disintegrates from its own dysfunctions of economic collapse and wide spread corruption,
Or, in a hopeless move, it goes for broke against the Donbass forces and ends divided up, as Russia very reluctantly is forced to intervene.

The question becomes how stupid will the hotheads in Kiev or Washington be ?
jon357  73 | 23073
13 Nov 2021   #856
I do believe the Kurds still have autonomy there and the area is relatively wealthy.

When I was in Iraq, people went there from the rest of the country for medical treatment. Nevertheless, there is mass unemployment a population boom in the late 90s, a massive difference between rich and poor and very little hope there. It is a dump, and one that people will literally risk their lives to get out from.

afford the 10k to get to Belarus.

It often involves people selling their homes.

if you can starve and bankrupt a country,

They can. It's preparing the ground for invasion. If they cross the Dnieper we should all be worried.
amiga500  5 | 1494
13 Nov 2021   #857
very little hope there. It is a dump, and one that people will literally risk their lives

Come on, we are not talking about Yemen or Afghanistan here, it is peacefull, it is ethnically and religiously autonomous, and for the middle east it is relatively prosperous. The only kurds that are making the journey to belarus are the ones are the young middle class, who can afford 10k, and have figured out that they can pay off the people smugglers now or on a two year payment plan from the german social security payments of 1000 euro a month ,after that they're scot free and shangri-la to living the euro lifestyle and also sending money to relatives in kurdistan.
jon357  73 | 23073
13 Nov 2021   #858
it is relatively prosperous

Which is why there are people who can pay the human traffickers. In central Iraq (much worse) they haven't a chance of raising that.

sending money to relatives in kurdistan

You can't blame them for wanting to.
amiga500  5 | 1494
13 Nov 2021   #859
And neither can I blame the polish government for securing our borders, no matter that women and children suffering pains me.
mafketis  38 | 10973
13 Nov 2021   #860
You can't blame them for wanting to.

Just as you can't blame European countries for wanting to keep them out....
Crow  154 | 9297
13 Nov 2021   #861
no matter that women and children suffering pains me

We live in era of Total War and genocide. Its obvious. Actually, we always lived that way. Only the slain and dead have seen the end of the war.
jon357  73 | 23073
13 Nov 2021   #862
our

Australia's borders? It's a far bigger issue than just Poland.

wanting to keep them out....

Not doing very well, are they...
jon357  73 | 23073
13 Nov 2021   #863
he only kurds that are making the journey t

Remember that these are the innocent pawns in all this. The guilty parties are Lukashenko and his backer Putin, and the mafia who take them to the border.
mafketis  38 | 10973
13 Nov 2021   #864
Not doing very well, are they...

You seem to be rooting for the migrants.... why do you hate them? Only dependency and degradation await most of them in Europe (which they will pass on to their children)....
GefreiterKania  31 | 1429
13 Nov 2021   #865
Remember that these are the innocent pawns in all this.

No, they are not. Last night those "innocent pawns" once again attacked Polish army with tear gas provided for them by the Belarussian forces. Meanwhile, Belarussian engineer units tried to destroy the border fence whilst attempting to blind Polish border guards with lasers. At least some of those "poor innocent pawns" are willful accomplices of Lukashenka's criminal regime.

One thing that comes to mind is that trying to destroy the border fence of a country by another country's military forces must consitute an act of war. This is becoming less and less "hybrid" and moves towards a regular conflict.
Cargo pants  3 | 1443
13 Nov 2021   #866
innocent pawns

Yeah right,I think if they are so innocent in this world then they deserve what they are getting.Who dont check where they are going to forget flying.These guys have smart phones internet lol and I guess they claim they dont know how to use it lol.

It is like that guy on some other thread asking about which post office to go,who dont even know that every area has its own local post office.I think that is the case even in a remote country in Africa.If you call these people innocent then God save the world.These migrants are opportunists,who are trying to take advantage of the system.
jon357  73 | 23073
13 Nov 2021   #867
They're innocent, and doing hard things to have a better life. It's the politicians both there and in Russia/Belarus who are guilty. Hating on the weakest is a very short sighted view.

trying to take advantage of the system.

They're not the first and won't be the last. Almost everyone who dodged a tax bill, claims a subsidy/benefit they're not entitled to or makes a fast buck in a dodgy way does that. Even the leather jacketed thugs who take them to the border are only taking advantage of a system that's appeared for them to take advantage of. Yet the hatred is directed against the weakest,
GefreiterKania  31 | 1429
13 Nov 2021   #868
These migrants are opportunists,who are trying to take advantage of the system.

Opportunist paying Lukashenko's criminal regime thousands of dollars to traffic them to the EU, carrying iphones and wearing "Canada Goose" thousand-dollar jackets, using children as human shields and propaganda weapons in the process, destroying the border fence and attacking soldiers guarding it. Poor innocent pawns indeed.

If this keeps up, Novichok's methods of dealing with it will no longer look that implausible. People are getting radicalized and for a reason.

EDIT: not to mention that there are confirmed intelligence data that there are veterans among the "refugees" trained to conduct terrorist attacks in the EU territory. This has to be finally properly dealt with.
jon357  73 | 23073
13 Nov 2021   #869
thousand-dollar jackets

Are they wearing 'thousand dollar jackets'. Not many shops in Minsk sell those and in Iraq it's near impossible to buy a winter coat for the obvious reason.
GefreiterKania  31 | 1429
13 Nov 2021   #870
Are they wearing 'thousand dollar jackets'.

Yes. There were pictures posted of one of the the c**ts cutting the tree to destroy the border fence, wearing a brand new "Canada Goose".

trying to destroy the border fence of a country by another country's military forces must consitute an act of war

... and Belarussian forces were openly trying to cut the border fence yesterday and run it over with their cars whilse blinding Polish guards with lasers in the process - it's reported on Polsat at the moment. Surely this cannot be allowed.

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