What should Poland do with the problem of Belarus?

and what should Poland (or more to the point.... Germany) do about this?


Any migrant let in is encouragement for 10 more waiting in the wings....

They are coming coz Belarus regime has organized an air bridge and brings them by thousands each week. They pay a few thousand dollars for the Belarussian tourist visa each.

There's no easy answer to that. Perhaps the best thing for now is a more robust border. Nevertheless, this isn't a crisis. Crises are temporary, and large-scale migration is the future for the next century.


To a point. It's still a long and difficult journey and too expensive for most people.

A syrian woman paid 4000$ for illegal smuggling through polish border... because a facebook post said it's totally safe and easy.
This is what generations of cousin marriage does to your brain.

That's a huge amount for Iraqis, and right now, a lot of people there think the Minsk flights are too good to be true.

TVP announced today that Iraq ordered Belarusian consulate in Baghdad and Irbil to be closed - must be fake news again, no?

I wouldnt be surprised if the ultras are in charge of most of the smuggling operations right now.

And Lukashenka's cronies too.


As you know, TVP is a notorious fake news source.

They probably didn't mention the private companies that handle visas. Or that Belarus and Russia have just signed an agreement and that people can now travel into Belarus via Moscow. I doubt they mentioned the Belarus consulates in Lebanon and Turkey (Iraqis can access both those countries) either.

Lukashenko sends them to the forrest on the border and the ultras and other crime groups who are polish probably smuggle them to germany across the country. I wonder if they have a relationship meaning lukashenko and the ultra crime groups in poland?

I don't watch television that often, so be so kind john and give an example of recent (or maybe even not so recent) fake news by TVP?

Its King Jon not just Jon mind you.

It is indeed.


Where to start?

It's relevant to the topic of migration and Poland so why not start here...
euractiv.com/section/all/short_news/polands-most-watched-news-programme-uses-netflix-series-to-call-refugees-criminals/

Recent enough for you?

hmm I actually watched this footage on TVPInfo (my mom often watches TVPInfo) - the comment that accompanied the footage was that it was a film scene but that similar things happen in real life in Sweden - it is not impossible that the comment was added afterwards/altered and that it originally was shown as a 'real' evidence of pervasive crime in Sweden- I don't sit glued to the TV so I have no way of telling - also I have no firsthand experience of Sweden so I can't judge the comment to the footage that I heard (about pervasive crime by immigrants in Sweden)

So yes, fake news.

Now back to Belarus. It seems that Lukashenka's signed an agreement with Putain. I wonder what their endgame is?

They're playing hardball with Poland on the border right now.
voanews.com/a/tensions-soar-on-poland-belarus-border-as-warsaw-protests-incursion/6301914.html

It would be funny if theyre trying to get poland and pis to join them as the endgame plan. The three stooges of europe lol if that would be the case. Just imagine guys iimagine...

can't confirm it - I don't blindly believe 'other sources' in Poland because of the manipulations of the other side (including the infamous Wojciech Diduszko's playing a victim of the oppressive PiS regime - you can watch the footage of it on youtube)

This is grimly possible in the very long run. Orban too is one to watch, as are the so-called non-a;igned states, especially one I'll not mention in case it sets Crow off on one. A lot will depend on future Poland - EU/NATO relations and on what Russia does in Ukraine over the next year or so. Belarus is really just a distraction, Putain's pet buffer zone.


Yes, it's fake news.

And you're trying to go off topic and to obfuscate. It doesn't work.

Imagine if all of a sudden Jon on tvn a huge cmapaign occurred praising putin and how poland and russia are allies and all of a sudden like a 180 turn occurred in polish media and government eprceptions of history of everything etc. and the book przedwiosnie would be read to children alla round poland and schools as a sign of the closeness of poland and russia had at one point or how we were one.

That would be the time to worry. It's not about to happen any time soon, however Orban is someone to watch very carefully and Putain/Russia can't be trusted. Belarus is just a buffer and Poland is in NATO..

There's only two thing that're sure in life. Nothing stays the same for ever, and history repeats itself.

I could see it happening. especially if nato starts internally to disintegrate or us stops backing everyone or anyone.

It's a danger. Only about a thirds of NATO countries pay the agreed amount of defence spending. Poland and the UK do, as do France, Croatia, the Baltics and Greece, but most don't.

It's Poland and the Baltics being in NATO that has probably stopped the Belarus border crisis escalating.

Didnt biden already say pretty much he is making US not a world polcie anymore or there is a word to it something like separatist (ww1 usa) or internally focused? Isolationist I think.

Something like that. The world is watching the border issue right now. Lukashenko does nothing without Putain's approval and it is a serious situation. So far, Poland has handled it carefully, however nobody (except him and Putain) know what Lukashenka's next trick will be.

Duda is wise. He won`t sacrifice Poland and Slavdom for the sake of few rich hyenas in Brussels, Washington and Vatican. Even less for that moronic EU.


Which is problem to Poland. One is always in problem when tries to coordinate with dead one.

The threat to Poland now is not from Brussels but from slavic "brothers" Lukashenka and Putin - both of whom bring disgrace to the idea of slavdom.

Highly unlikely if Fortress Europe is competently executed in the next 10 to 20 years. It's the will of the residing working class after all

It's an unsustainable model. It requires some countries to remain social basket cases so that the excess population can be transported like sacks of potatoes to new, better run countries.

But if recent history is any guide.... most of the new arrivals never really adapt and end up long term welfare pets (or wards of the state if that sounds nicer). Worse yet, they actively undermine and sabotage the process of their children adapting and being assimilated to the new country so that the welfare dependency becomes generational.

The better run countries simply cannot remain better run if they keep up the mass importation of culturally incompatible people. I would think this is blindingly obvious over the last 30, 20, 10, 5 years but those in decision making positions remain as willfully blind as ever.

It won't be.


Migration and homo sapiens go together like dogs and bones. It's a characteristic of the species and the present 'wave'; of migration has on a macro level existed since international trade started.


To a point, however climate change and population growth, as well as a concentration of capital in the 'rich north' means that some societies will not develop and there will be a sustained movement away from those places. The current issue in Belarus belongs to the future rather than the past.

..useless surplus people nobody wants.


...because they fear being called insensitive xenophobes more than death itself. In the UK, police have abandoned all pretenses and now assist the migrants in violation of the orders from the top. This insanity filtered down this far already.

Some level of migration has always been normal. The current human trafficking industry is not... and is not sustainable since it's about importing people from dysfunctional failing societies and not asking anything in return. How much failure can Europe import without failing itself?


Why should Europe pay the price for Iraqi and Afghani and Somali societal failure?