What should Poland do with the problem of Belarus?

Breaker, before you post, check the thread. This one is about Belarus, not PO`s politics. Don`t introduce unnecessary mess.

There's been a massive leak of data from Belarusian police, secret services, KGB (including names and photos of the employees, their home adresses, etc.), administration, etc. (sorry for the link in Polish, but I haven't found any article in English yet):

o2.pl/informacje/olbrzymi-wyciek-z-bialoruskich-sluzb-ujawniono-m-in-nagrania-tortur-6670747266816512a

Source for the article (in English):

mobile.twitter.com/tadeuszgiczan/status/1424734523519025152

The hacking took weeks - hackers from a group called Belarusian Cyberpartisans were patiently collecting data throughout this time, including videos of tortures carried out by the police and other services.

I mean entire western Ukraine from where many ``Ukrainians`` anyway migrate to Poland.

This is nothing new - it's like reporting that the sun is still blue. Cops beat people up all the time especially the US. It's only the degree of torture that's different. I'm sure that the Belarusians are just as cruel to prisoners as the Russians were when they were locking up Poles

errr sky is still blue wonder where i got sun from haha

Quoting:

Jon Graham Burge was an American police detective and commander in the Chicago Police Department who was accused of torturing more than 200 innocent men between 1972 and 1991 in order to force confessions. A United States Army veteran, Burge had served tours in South Korea and Vietnam.

Belarussian specnaz, army and border guards are stepping up their provocations against Poland. E.g, they aim their weapons at Polish servicemen or even sneak far into the Polish territory, armed.

@pawian

Poland needs to stand firm against the Bellarussians or they will take advantage.

Soldiers should use rubber bullets and gas against them.
Those that crossed over border with weapons should be already dead or in Polish custody.
Poland should let know they will hire a killer to done away with Lukaszenko.

As you know, there are very good reasons for Poland to de-escalate any conflict.

Poland currently has the moral high ground and does not want to lose that.

It won't change if Poland defends itself in a more assertive and effective way.

How?
Do you think that the military take such matters lightly?

What are you? A Brit or a Pole? How lightly is the UK military taking your invasion? Or is yours a good invasion because your invading hordes need "our help and compassion"?

This is the question. Are they not doing so already, and are there other considerations currently?

Erm, erm, how too tell you people. Poland`s problems coming from the west, not east.


so speak krele who passionately hate Poland

Good one, :):):) though unrealistic under PiS government who once considered the dictator a "friendly person."

Anway they makes them pay and hurts them.


They don't have to do it. Just spread rumors.

Amway there are very complicated and changing issues that the leadders of the military have to consider along with the politicians and allied countries. It isn't about teaching them a lesson.

Said the second biggest PF bullsh*tter.
There is nothing "complicated" about the hordes invading a country. It is as "complicated" as a horde invading your house.
How many Muslim refugees live with you now? Zero? I thought so. Me, a genius again.

Looks like he's misunderstood as usual.

But still feels the need to pointlessly comment. Back on ignore.

Now there is a barbed-wire fence on the border but it is easily damaged by migrants or Belarussian guards and spetznaz. Therefore, the Parliament has just voted a construction of a professional wall with all high-tech gadgets like movement detectors etc. It is said to cost about 450 mln $

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People can scoff at the Daily Mail, I think it offers more indepth reporting and photo/graphic explainers than most, this on the ground report regarding the migrants on the border being one. dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10172639/IAN-BIRRELL-reveals-Belarus-flown-thousands-migrants-Middle-East-Africa.html.

"I was stuck in the forest for 11 days - it was like a game of ping-pong. The Polish police send you back to Belarus, then the Belarus police send you back to Poland. It happened to me about 20 times. The Poles were friendly, giving us food and water, but the Belarusians beat people and let their dogs bite you."

And the E.U. said that they will not give any money to help erect it.
Poland will have to pick up the entire expense for the wall.

A majority of European countries want the EU to pay for border walls, so the situation might change in the next year or two.

And that is a bad solution. It would be enough to convince our European partners to impose more drastic sanctions on Belarus - the ones which are in power now are still mild. When Lukashenka understands that new sanctions will sink his country into a pre-industrial stage, he will back off.

But PiS losers are unable to discuss anything with the EU.

Our Sarmatian ancestors rotate in their graves like propellers (or dust of those who were cremated swirl in the wind) on the site of Sarmatian realm being pollute by fences. As if false borders aren`t enough.

Svetovid is displeased for sure.

That is Lukashenka`s fault - our Sarmatian brother invites migrants from the Middle East and takes huge money for it. Then his henchmen push the migrants through the border.

That is why I mentioned new sanctions which will push Belarus` industry and finances beyond all known borders. :):)

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With those filthy twins Lukashenka and Putin!

And the filthy human trafficker Lukashenka wants to increase his bloody business bringing shame to all of Slavdom....

It is just a matter of time when migrants try to cross the border in one huge group, in order to outnumber Polish border guards and render them helpless.

First reports suggest such a situation:

It seems at yesterday's big gathering in Minsk, migrants took a decision to move to Kuznica-Bruzgi border crossing today at 12 to attempt to cross the border in 1 large group. First groups have already arrived. Drivers say there's so many taxis they created a traffic jam.

There's a lot of desperate people whose families' life savings have gone on getting them to Belarus for this.

Iraqis can be very cynical people and there are far more people in Iraq who don't yet believe it's possible to cross into Schengen; they've heard about it and don't quite believe it. I've discussed this with Iraqi ex-colleagues who've messaged me knowing I live in PL and asking if it's true. I've told them that it's dangerous and that people have died trying to cross.

I've a feeling that the more people who can prove they've crossed that way, the more will hear about it back home and come.