What should Poland do with the problem of Belarus?

I'm very sorry for your loss. That sounds awful.

Sorry, but this is a free discussion forum, not Russia :)

Velund, I'm sorry about your mother (if your story is true, that is), but me and other Poles discussed with another Russian living in Moscow for years and his only concern also seemed to be traffic jams in Moscow, not democracy and stuff like that :), even though noone from his family died from a heart attack because an ambulance couldn't get on place in time. I've also seen on YouTube videos ambulances being stuck in traffic jams in Moscow despite the fact there weren't any protests. The drivers simply wouldn't make way for the ambulances. So I'm guessing people's indifference was or maybe still is at least part of the problem. My Russian friend (living in Moscow) wrote that whenever she visited Warsaw she was amazed, because there was always some kind of demonstration taking place, so it can be done.

Excuse me, but traffic jams belong to all demonstrations (to those with enough participants at least)....you are not in favour of cutting an important basic right just to keep the streets clear, aren't you?

Sorry for your personal loss though...

But equally every son could demand to end to the right of personal arms because his mom got shot. And I fear there are alot more people concerned (in the US at least)!

Is probably closely related to living in the socially engineered society crafted by Uncle Joe and his descendants of whom I would count Putin as one. The kind of rubbish spouted by Velund and his ilk is directly responsible for creating the kind of society where human life has no value and people don't give way to ambulances.

Btw it has been confirmed by ProtonMail that the alleged bomb threat was sent AFTER the plane had already been diverted to Minsk.

You can discuss anything. Nobody will complain.

But when you will try to tell us what we should do (by your opinion), we will tell you to which kind of hell you should go (by our opinion).

If you want to assure that your opinion matter in some country - emigrate there and get local citizenship, together with electoral rights. Any notations from abroad and from people whose interests in welfare of another state will be met with middle finger.

Before you discuss whether Lukashenko's 80% or Assad's 95% is real, go there and talk to people (not just Soros' chicks at rallies). And then (if you have correct passport) start to worry about finding out where the decisive percentages came from after midnight in an election in a country that is trying to teach everyone about democracy, including with rocket fire.

And, unfortunately, story is true, it was 4 yrs ago...

No, they are for sure not!

People don't work that way....humans are not that homogenous, not even those in your family, not to mention all those in a country.

The more choices the broader the spectrum of opinion. Every result in the 80's and especially 90's is so sure faked! It's just not normal....not human...not healthy....something is definitely wrong here, my guess is the counting...or...as in the case of Belorussia/Syria, the lack of choices!

Ach ja, the SED won during the GDR "elections" mostly with 99% of the votes...yeah....sure....
(The rigging was proven later)

There is a lot of places in a such big city, where blocking one road create a trap for thousands of commuters, who cannot do anything except waiting until police will take care about real cause of jam, be it road accident or crowd of stupid sh*theads rallying for leader of their sect.

There is simply no chance to give a way, no extra lanes on road that is reserved for emergency services. When buildings were constructed, problems was mostly with horse manure on roads, not with traffic jams.

Ad to that the pilots repeatedly ask where the mysterious audio was coming from declaring the bomb threat without getting a reply.
Ad to that: Lithuania is working to confirm the identities of the passengers who disembarked from a diverted Ryanair plane after it was forced to land in Belarus, the chief of Lithuania's criminal police said on Friday.

Russian KBG agents are the primary suspects for some obvious reason.
(side note:) U.S. was hit with a wave of Russian hackers last night.
If it can happen to the U.S. you know it is happening in all of the E.U.

When you spent last years under bombings and gunfire, people starting to be much more homogenous, if it come to election of president, who really can stop this. It's about Syria.

And about Lukashenko - I think it got well over 50% anyway, there is a lot of belorussians I talked with, both in Moscow and in Belarus. So, while I have doubt about 80%, I'm sure that real outcome of election is not changed.

Also when it's Assad troops (and his allies) who do the bombing?

Where do you think all the syrian refugees come from who knock on Germany's door for years now?

Assad wants to kill any opposition....shake hands with Lukashenko...similiar election results? I'm so surprised!

Opposition tried to kill Assad. Assad succeeded in killing that kind of opposition. What is wrong, really? It is a family feud, not a business of strangers.

Does US troops who "cover" stealing syrian oil, is afraid that they are next to take care of?

Nah.....it started with a few youths spraying some critical slogans on a wall.

Not even that Assad could bear and now the whole country is destroyed, with millions dead, fleeing and homeless...do you wish Lukashenko would go so far? Laying the whole country to waste to keep himself and his clique on top?

You know that mocking politicians is a hobby and a duty for every citizen in the West? But somehow our "weak and spineless" West not only survives that but still flourishes, how come?

If Assad had that kind of support among the population, he wouldn't have needed Russia and Iran to bail him out, just as the GDR would not have needed Russian tanks to secure its' rule if it had truly received 99% of the votes. Lukashenko also wouldn't take such drastic measures if he had that kind of support either. Maybe Lukashenko did win previous elections fairly (though obviously not with the margins he claimed) because he could present himself as the anchor of stability, but as the previous year showed, especially young people are no longer satisfied with this.


Assad started the killing when he arrested and tortured people to death because they were peacefully protesting.


Very true. Say what you want about Merkel, but I think she nailed it when Putin tried to intimidate her with a dog. Like she said to journalists afterwards. This is all countries like Russia have: Intimidation, no succesful economies are attractive policies.

And Protasevich, who we discuss here, was a coordinator of such "youths", that had to do something similar with Belarus.


Don't forget that current population is quite different, compared to population before the war. Opposition supporters now mostly milking German taxpayers. ;)

So he was a hero then?

Coordinator? How? What do you mean?

Not sure that it is a real hero, but much more heroic, compared to Yanukovich, that flee immediately and left their country in a deep azzhole.


I mean NEXTA telegram channel, "Black book of Belarus" who published personal data of police officers and called to kill their kids, etc, etc... It was main channels of riots coordination and hate producing fake news sources.

For that to believe I really would need to see proof...

t.me/BlackBookBelarus - their telegram channel and main cesspool.

umap.openstreetmap.fr/fr/map/map_499264#16/52.0736/23.7154 - locations where police officers lived on the map, with all data they was able to collect, up to car model and license plate number.

The same could be said of many big cities, but ambulances still manage to get through. The concept of 'yield' simply does not exist in some cultures and Russia is one of them. Equally, if you'd had a government that was of any use at any point in the last fifty years, you'd have dealt with the problem of emergency vehicles not being able to get to emergencies.


But the fact that they are part of your social circle means that they are likely to have similar views to your own and those who don't share your views are probably afraid to open their mouths in case they meet a similar fate to so many before them.


The problem is that anything can be faked. It's very easy to produce false documents, evidence etc. Intelligence forces have been doing that for decades, long before the technology that we now have which makes it even easier.

Yes, we have a government that we allegedly elected. And we will try to take care about our problems, including the one with traffic jams . Even if we will need to reposition teeths of some brainless opposition activists deeply into their throats to speed up progress.

Sorry guys, had to go. Plane will not wait.

Hmm....I googled that....that's what I found out about that:

"Anonymous hackers leaked the personal data of 1,000 Belarusian police officers in retaliation for a crackdown on street demonstrations against the veteran president, Alexander Lukashenko, as protesters staged another mass rally...."

theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/20/hackers-leak-data-on-1000-belarusian-police-officers

But where is the connection to Protasevich? Using the same social media can't be it...

On a side note....

"....The loyalty of the security forces is crucial to Lukashenko's ability to cling on to power after last month's presidential election, in which he claimed a landslide victory. His opponents say it was rigged to hand the former Soviet collective farm boss a sixth term...."

If that is the case, and said police forces are now allowed to kill protestors at will with deathly firearms I can understand why the opposition sees them as their enemies! I

I love it! Straight from the German penal code. "Incitement of hatred"...


Any country where the rights of others are violated by the protesters. Like the right to a quiet night and the right to go from place A to place B anytime I want and the protesters make it impossible.


Quote of the week. That's all the rabid dogs here deserve.

Protesters should be required to post a bond or have liability insurance or protest on Facebook 24/7 and have even bigger crowds than they could manage on the Red Square.

But this is not what they want. What they want are camera-ready bloody confrontations and "victims". The more, the better. Crying and bleeding....Boohoo...

I will take the Belarus police over the impotent pretenders like we had in Seattle and Portland every minute of every day.
The day the cops are afraid of the rioters - sorry, mostly peaceful protesters - is the day when "democracy" and "society" lose all meaning and people run to buy more guns - if they can.

At least in Belarus and Russia, the cops are not barricading themselves in their saferooms to count the days till retirement while the city is in flames.

Oh come on. Don't bring that into this thread. Especially is it just BS pretext like in case of Kaddafi.
If anything is responsible for 'refugees' in Germany it is:
1. Insane EU law
2. Inane German gov
3. Fall of Kaddafi and destabilization of Syria ...

By the way all that nonsensical pressure on Lukashenka push him into Putin arms.
I have been saying that for ages. I wonder what gives ..

You are all truly crazy. Poland should have open border policy on Belarus. Not that Belarus is perfect but let us face fact that Belarus isn`t sick like western Europe and States. Or evil like Canada and morbidly pervert like Vatican or sleazy like Constantinople, ugly like Greeks and Italians. And so on so on. Many are worse then Belarus.

Shame on you all.

Belarus is weakening its borders.Here is what Lukeshanka said to the west "We were stopping migrants and drugs - now you will catch them and eat them yourself,"

Prophetic words from colonel Gaddafi:

youtu.be/tdFwVwwyLIk

Luka is better then any western European politician. For those in the States he is doctor of wisdom.

The regime administers harsh measures to all people suspected of opposing the dictator. I feel sympathy and compassion, especially for the youth who desire changes

but:

- Lukashenka was Belarus` voluntary choice for many years since 1990s - homo sovieticus citizens voted for him to keep the stability in the country and avoid Ukrainian scenarios. Unlike Poland, they distrusted the West and prefered to stay in Eastern Europe. So, now they are going to retain their small stability - under the Kremlin boot.

- the worse situation in Belarus, the more Belarussians come and settle in Poland. They are good people and will be perfect immigrants. We need them to increase the diversity and thus accelerate the development and prosperity of Poland. .

How? They would assimilate linguistically and culturally (or more specifically any children that are born in Poland would end up being indistinguishable from the current population)...