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What should Poland do with the problem of Belarus?


pawian 178 | 15,558
29 May 2021 #481
They would assimilate linguistically and culturally

Yes, maf, but they would still retain that wonderful Belarussian character, at least parts of it, in them. :):)
Velund 1 | 477
29 May 2021 #482
n that wonderful Belarussian character

The one that caused so much problems to Germans? With signs "Achtung, partisanen!" near every small forest?
pawian 178 | 15,558
29 May 2021 #483
The one

Not that one which was largely established and controlled by Stalin`s Soviet envoys. I mean the one which makes Belarussians take off their shoes while climbing a street bench during demos.



mafketis 25 | 9,327
29 May 2021 #484
Things are about to go from bad to desperate for Belarus's international reputation....

The EBU (the people behind Eurovision) are preparing to eject the country!!!!

youtube.com/watch?v=KcA96gj1nn0&

Not such a huge loss, they only ever sent one good song that I remember (very pleasant folksy number sung in Belarusian)

youtube.com/watch?v=ElqbLPcTHAI

In 2019 the judges were excluded for breaking the rules and this year they sent a song threatening those that fail to appreciate Lukashenka enough...

Nul points for Lukashenka!
pawian 178 | 15,558
29 May 2021 #485
from bad to desperate for Belarus's international reputation....

Soom, the Kremlin will organise their own festival to show nasty Europe their place. Belarus will win the first prize. :)
Bratwurst Boy 11 | 10,709
29 May 2021 #486
It feels like being back in Cold War times, doesn't it....
pawian 178 | 15,558
29 May 2021 #487
Certainly most Belarussians can feel so. Their regime is purely homo sovieticus by origin and character.
Novichok 1 | 2,596
30 May 2021 #488
Other than the "activists" trying to make him run for his life to Moscow, the Ukrainian style, what did Lukashenko do that is so "evil" to the less "progressive" lower 99%?

Like my hero, Putin, does he keep gays away from the kids? Migrants from Belarus? What?
Crow 148 | 9,286
30 May 2021 #489
By the God, I love brat Lukashenko. He said they could down even Biden`s plane > youtube.com/watch?v=4LMB11huMjY

Oh, that would be so great a service to the normal Americans.
Novichok 1 | 2,596
30 May 2021 #490
By God, I love brat Lukashenko.

I am trying to find out if I should love him or hate him but I am not getting any help here - even from the PF experts on all things.
pawian 178 | 15,558
30 May 2021 #491
what did Lukashenko do that is so "evil" to the less "progressive" lower 99%?

He has kept the Soviet system in economy which worked for two dozen years due to cheap oil from Russia but is visibly crumbling now. Belarus requires more and more loans from their Bigger Brother to survive. Belarussians earn less and less money each year.
Novichok 1 | 2,596
30 May 2021 #492
Belarus requires more and more loans from their Bigger Brother to survive.

Do you mean like the USA? How awful!
How about that "oppression"? How many are in prisons for their political views?
pawian 178 | 15,558
30 May 2021 #493
How about that "oppression"?

Thosaunds have been arrested since 2020 protests after Lukashenka had "won" the election. . On certain days the regime police detained 2000, 3000 people. Do you suggest it is still not enough to call it oppression?

polsatnews.pl/wiadomosc/2020-08-11/2-tys-osob-zatrzymanych-po-protestach-na-bialorusi-odnotowano-fakty-otwartego-oporu/
Velund 1 | 477
30 May 2021 #494
On certain days the regime police detained 2000, 3000 people.

And all this people was fed to predators in Minsk zoo? Or maybe used as a running targets in military training? Or incarcerated like ones who entered Capitol?

I suspect they was released same evening after vocal precaution or minor fine...

Oppression - it is something closer to Chinese way. And strange thing - China had Tiananmen "event" and became world leading power, with people living standard constantly increasing. Ukraine done the opposite - and got the opposite.
mafketis 25 | 9,327
30 May 2021 #495
Thosaunds have been arrested since 2020 protests after Lukashenka had "won" the election.

With 80% of the vote! How often does that kind of genuine electoral victory spawn the kinds of protests seen in the aftermath of that election?
Novichok 1 | 2,596
30 May 2021 #496
Do you suggest it is still not enough to call it oppression?

No. They arrested many on January 6 in DC, too, and nobody calls the US an oppressive police state other than the BLM and Antifa scum.

Oppression is when they knock on your door at 5 am because of what you said the day before and the family will not see you for a very long time - if ever.

Screaming, breaking, disobeying legit police orders, and inciting violence are not "protesting" and reacting to it to restore order is not oppression.
It's a known trick to act up and later claim that it was protesting. We have seen it here too many times to fall for this bs.

I would have to read the charges and the verdicts to accept anything from a leftist like you.
pawian 178 | 15,558
30 May 2021 #497
I suspect they was released same evening after vocal precaution or minor fine...

No, hundreds were sentenced to 14 days of prison. Some were raped with police truncheons. Some were severely beaten and have health problems today, A dozen were murdered, either during demos or while arrested.

And you perfectly know about it. So stop your silly tricks coz we have our independent sources. Does the Kremlin troll factory really consider this forum so unimportant that they send their least intelligent trolls here? hahahaha
Ironside 50 | 11,142
30 May 2021 #498
Oppression is when they knock on your door at 5 am becaus

How about if they arrest you for standing alone on a bus stop? No other reasons bide a fact that you fit a profile - you are in your 20'.

Anyway all that stupid propaganda and forcing democracy send Lukashenka into Moscow lap... They should explore economic routes to make Belarus closer to Poland, OH yes but in Poland dunces in power are akin to that clown pawian in his distorted way of thinking If one can call those mussing thinking...
Novichok 1 | 2,596
30 May 2021 #499
Anyway all that stupid propaganda and...

...the rest of your post summarizes it very well.
Poland has no obligation to make others happy. Only the Poles. Period.

How about if they arrest you for standing alone on a bus stop?

No reasonable suspicion or arrest warrant? That would be terrible. But, again, cops have a right to ask who you are. How you (editorial) answer means a lot.

The last time it happened to me, I gave them my name, date of birth, and asked if I am under arrest or free to go. I was not under arrest and I was free to go. So simple.
pawian 178 | 15,558
31 May 2021 #500
forcing democracy send Lukashenka into Moscow lap

Of course not. It is his disastrous economic policies.

Poland has no obligation to make others happy

Why do you care about Poland if you left 50 years ago and became a proud American? Leave us alone and take care of yourself and your own country. Period.

cops have a right to ask who you are.

You boast of escaping the oppresive communist regime in other threads. You call it a prison. Why do you support and praise similar totalitarian regimes in this thread?
Alien
31 May 2021 #501
and became a proud American?

I don't think Novi is a proud American. At least he is not a redneck. His affinity for Polish Forum is too big. He is probably not proud at all. He is an American no doubt but his affinity for Poland is some sort of "Hassliebe". Love and hate in one.
Atch 16 | 3,275
31 May 2021 #502
And all this people was fed to predators in Minsk zoo?

Why not? During the Spanish civil war, people were fed to the lions and I know that to be a fact.

they send their least intelligent trolls here?

Actually, he's probably one of their seniors ;) The really clever ones masquerade as complete eejits :))

It's extraordinary though isn't it, to think that people would be making light of what's going on in Belarus. You notice that people who defend such regimes usually do so from the freedom, comfort and safety of the democracies they supposedly despise - you don't see them moving to Belarus, do you?
johnny reb 30 | 5,283
31 May 2021 #503
and asked if I am under arrest or free to go. I was not under arrest and I was free to go. So simple.

Not so simple at all in some cases.
You keep repeating this lie and I thought I had you straightened out on it six times ago.
The police can detain you to do an investigation even if you are not under arrest, so No, you are not free to go until they are done with their investigation.

NOW can we get back On-Topic ........AGAIN !

I can only see two solutions with Belarus.
Get together an international coalition, knock Belarus's army out, topple the dictatorship, and put Lukashenko behind bars.
At the other end, (which will most likely happen) is to do as little as you can get away with by summoning the Belarusian ambassador for a shake down, support a condemning U.N. resolution and issue a strong worded media release.

Sanctions don't work and only hurt the wrong people.
Novichok 1 | 2,596
31 May 2021 #504
You notice that people who defend such regimes usually do so from the freedom, comfort and safety

of the democracies they supposedly despise - you don't see them moving to Belarus, do you?

The stupidest thing to say. Here is the same idiotic idea in reverse:

You notice that people who oppose such regimes usually do so from the freedom, comfort and safety of the democracies - you don't see them moving to Belarus to join the protesters, do you?

Yes, I can express the opinion that Sun is way too hot without being there. Duh!

Some were severely beaten and have health problems today

You mean like Floyd? Poor guy... I hope he is feeling better now.

Let's cut the crap. Every system will resist its demise. Belarus and every other country have an obligation to treat protesters as the enemy of the state if they as much as throw a candy wrapper on the sidewalk. Do you want to make changes? Fine. Write to your legal representative. You want to set up barricades? Cool, too. Just get ready for the consequences and don't ask your mom to later tell the judge that you are a good kid.

In my opinion, foreign "protesters" should be shot on the spot. OK, next day.
Crow 148 | 9,286
31 May 2021 #505
I am trying to find out if I should love him or hate him

I thought about Luka for few moments and sow many imperfections. Then I thought about Biden, stop thinking about Biden and put cross on myself.
Novichok 1 | 2,596
31 May 2021 #506
Then I thought about Biden,

I did, too, and concluded that he is a traitor and that Lukashenko is not one bit worse than that pos. Actually, Lukashenko is better and more democratic. He was in favor of both referenda in 1995 and 1996. Quoting en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Belarus

The referendum was accompanied by a constitutional crisis, a conflict between president Alexander Lukashenko and the oppositional parliament. There have been mass street protests by the opposition protesting against the referendum and against human rights violations.

To the Lukashenko hating idiots here: a legally binding referendum is the essence of democracy and the human right to free expression. Nobody but the Soros goons would protest having one. Yeah, what a concept... people deciding directly and bypassing the corrupt "representatives". That's anarchy!!! My representative knows best!!!
Velund 1 | 477
31 May 2021 #507
In my opinion, foreign "protesters" should be shot on the spot. OK, next day.

You are forgot to include local "protesters" working for foreign funding to the same group.
pawian 178 | 15,558
31 May 2021 #508
Let's cut the crap.

Darling, you didn`t answer my crucial question. Why do yuo boast of escaping a communist system in Poland 50 years ago which you consider a prison and at the same time you fully support Lukashenka who introduced the same system in Belarus?

you don't see them moving to Belarus to join the protesters, do you?

Don`t be stupid. How can anybody join the protesters if there are no more protests coz they are immediately suppressed and people are arrested?

Why do you resort to such infantile arguments, I wonder.? Much below our level.

I don't think Novi is a proud American

Some Polish Am hybrid - ni pies, ni wydra, coś na kształt świdra. hahaha

you don't see them moving to Belarus, do you?

Yes. Novi should go and try on himself the delights of Lukashenka or Putin paradise - a few blows of a police truncheon on his ass and he is cured of all totalitarian dreams. hahaha
Novichok 1 | 2,596
31 May 2021 #509
You are forgot to include local "protesters" working for foreign funding to the same group.

The Soros scum and their NGOs should be treated as saboteurs and executed after a brief trial.

if there are no more protests coz they are immediately suppressed and people are arrested?

You can go there and be arrested with others to show support. An easy chair, keyboard, and a fat ass should not hold you back.

In the meantime, read this before you post another moronic thing about the country:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Belarus

...and tell us how they are any worse than the US.

BTW, a century from now, Belarus will still be bela and their kids will still be known as boys and girls with no sickos in between. Poland, I am not sure.
pawian 178 | 15,558
31 May 2021 #510
Belarus will still be bela and their kids will still be known as boys and girls

I was waiting for that remark. I have mentioned it a few times in the forum - rightard scum like you believe country leaders can commit any crime and abominable act as long as they remain hostile to LGBT which is your neverending obsession.


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