Poland's post-election political scene

Only those who do nothing make no mistakes. I do not set PiS policy and am not privy to all the facts and circumstances of the ruling body politic. There are usually reasons for everything. Sacking someone might seem so easy and starightforward to a dilletante or wannabe observing things from afar, but such a move might hypothetically pose a security or other threat to the country or entail some other crucial counterproductive element. Such a one, for insatnce, might be in possession of super-sensitive classified information, to cite but one possibility. Ruling a country is a trifle different from little boys playing with their toy soldiers.

"Sacking someone might seem so easy and starightforward to a dilletante or wannabe observing things from afar, but such a move might hypothetically pose a security or other threat to the country"

So you _do_ believe that Macierewicz would try to mount a coup if JK tried to dismiss him?

Getting to the point where firing an incompetent is a threat to national security is nothing something that happens with governments who are even remotely competent.

Do you think in 2020 Tusk would "arrange" for Duda to have a "fatal accident" if the incumbant was much ahead of him in the pre-presidential polls? How can anybody know what's in the back of someone's mind. But no, I do not believe either option (Macierewicz or Tusk) is probable. But nothing is impossible, as history and poltics have shown. One thought that you pooh-poohed conspiracy theories. Have you made an exception for Macierewicz guided by subjective emotion?

BTW what does a "competent" government do when it needs to sack a member privy to a huge amount of the most sensitive classified information on national defence and security?

"One thought that you pooh-poohed conspiracy theories"

One does, does one?

I don't believe in conspiracies per se, I believe that different groups have different agendas that they are not entirely.... open about.

"what does a "competent" government do when it needs to sack a member privy to a huge amount of the most sensitive classified information on national defence and security?"

Depends on why they need to remove him and how stable he is. If the member in question gives signs of being dangerously unstable the traditional solution has been to arrange for him to stop breating. If he's more or less stable then a reclusive retirement is probably enough.

nb this is meant to be descriptive (what I think happens) and not a prescriptive (what I think would be moral).

But then a competent government doesn't normally go around appointing mentally unstable kooks to positions that give them asscess to sensitive classified information on national defense (much less put them in charge of it). But we're talking about PiS and so 'competent' is not the first word that comes to mind anyway.

See the photo in post #2804. Perhaps they're wearing uniforms and making Hitler salutes by mistake...


Kaczynski is too politically weak to do that.

The most incompetent thing ever done by the post-commune aka III RP was to eschew de-communisation and replace it with a wholly emasculated version of "lustration". It was the Kaczyńskis, Macierewicz, Olszewski and several other foresightful conservative politicians that were spearheading the drive to begin a Free Poland with a clean slate so there would be no doubt who the vivtims and victimisers were. Those with things on their conscience (of which the Nocna zmiana crew were only a tiny fraction) opted for sweeping evething under the rug and giving the masses of servilistic pro-Soviet stooges a carte blanche and a guarantgeed good life in III RP. That issue cotninues to haunt the Polish body politic and will continue to do so well into the fututre.

Admit it, your ulterior and sole motive is PiS-bashing -- giving it some semblance of thoughful debate is mere window-dressing.

"Admit it, your ulterior and sole motive is PiS-bashing -- giving it some semblance of thoughful debate is mere window-dressing."

I'm in favor of what works. Any attempt to settle accounts in 1992 would inevitably have ended up as a nightmare and result in massive investment flight and set economic development back (at a time when Poland could not afford that).

I have no problem with a dispassionate examination of who did what and punishing the guilty, but again this requires careful, dispassionate examination (and being ready to deal with lots of shade of grey) and not wild cat releasing of documents and trying to turn a normal political process (an incompetent and failing government losing a no-confidence vote) into some dark conspiracy.

The problem is that there is no one really qualified to lead such a process (least of all Kaczyński and his unstable posse).

Whenever people gather to plot something in private, that can be called a conspiracy. In in other words, every cabinet meeting, board meeting, staff meeting, strategy or planning session, in-group conference, etc. closed to the media and public, fall into that category.

BTW have you noticed that one usually attritbutes conspiracies to one's poltical foes, but when they accuse us of that we respond that "again they're trotting out their conspiracy theories!"

Somehow other ex-Soviet satellites managed. Yes, there would have been maybe a year or two of tension nad uncertainty, but it would have soon been over and done with.Do you regard this issue dragging on into its second half-century to be a beneficial development? The second most incompetent thing was to hand the ecnomomy over to that Soroist Balcerman who without batting an eye-lash and without even a trace of social conscience caused wisdepsread joblessness and demolished or sold off the country's industrial assets rather than even trying to create an indigenous enterpreneruial class. Sure it takes a long time, but when was he planning to start-- in 2085? At least he was true to his mentor and sponsor Soros whose ultimate aim is to undermine countries and deprive them of their national integrity, sovereignty, identity and pride.

No chance for mistake here, someone deliberately photoshopped it.

Recently we have seen Tusk behind bars and in a Wehrmacht uniform.

Nope, Wulky. The photo is genuine and is one of many such.

Then they are not ONR members, maybe antifa hooligans doing provocation.

Nope Wulky, they're ONR neo-nazis demonstrating here in Poland. Here's another.

Show me the picture like that on their website.

Don't be silly. Why would anyone remotely care about or trust for even one second what images neo-nazis put on their own website or even want to look at such a site. Here's another picture of them in their silly uniforms.

You would care if you wanted to prove your point but you can't, as usual.

The camera doesn't lie Wulky, unlike yourself. Fancy some more photos of ONR neo-nazis? The internet has hundreds of them.

From the reliable source, yes why not.

All photos from reliable sources already, Wulky.

Anyway, great to hear that yesterday's brownshirt march wasn't much of a success.

None of them unfortunately.

again you are demonstrating the blinkered nature of PC creeps and their head-in-sand tactic. Check out the ONR website and see for yourself: onr.com.pl

I never had earlier. Not a single Heil-Hitler salute. Insetad they have been collecting food for homeless dogs, protesting against a blashpemous theatre play, honourign Doomed Soldiers, holding a March of Shades and a symbolic funeral for pre-natally murdered infants.

I strongly disagree with many Poles who say they wouldn't touch Michnik's rag with a barge-pole. I regularly read their website the know what the other side is thinking, saying and doing. You should too: DoRzeczy, wSieci, Uważam Rze, Gazeta Polska, Nasz Dziennik, Niedziela, Gość NIedzielny, Powściągliwość i Praca and many, many more that write the truth, not anarcho-lefitist drivel, codswallop and propaganda.

Photos don't lie, Po. Their website does.

Because jon said so, because it suits his agenda :-)

But photo-shopped ones do! Or maybe Tusk in Wehrmacht attire is for real? Or maybe that was his "dziadek w Wehrmachcie!" For the time being at least Tusk behind bars is a photo-montage, but it could also be an accurate prediction of what may well come to pass once his EU immunity evaporates.

I thought that their leader said they were giving salutes, but not Nazi ones, merely Roman ones ? Which makes all the difference.

What crimes do you think Tusk has committed ?

Indeed. Same ideology, same salute, same context.

"What crimes do you think Tusk has committed?"

Don't go askjing awkward questions... his handlers haven't told him yet.

Tuskomatol supports and protects world terrorist sponsoring Gulf states ,ethic cleansing of Kurds in Turkey,massacres of Houtis in Yemen,murdering civilians by Israel in Syria,arming al nusra front in Syria.he condom war crimes of "moderates" jihadists in Syria,he supports and fund white helmets war criminals in syria, and Neonazi criminals and Olighars criminals in Ukraine,prosecution and occupation of palestynians .did i miss anything?.criminal scum like rest of em EU and UK leaders.

Amber gold?