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Poland's post-election political scene


OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
30 Apr 2017 #2,851
What crimes do you think Tusk has committed ?

TheAmberGold and OLT Ailrine scandals coome to mind as does his office's crimkinal neglect of Smolensk presidential flight preparations, most likely in colllusion with Putin. If you readPolish, check out: blogpress.pl/node/7889

Not all 500 are punishable offences but many are if he ever allows his accounts to be settled.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
30 Apr 2017 #2,852
wasn't much of a success

We all know you were rooting for the former SB torturers, bludgeoners, fingernail extracters and rectal electrode inserters, now "poor" OAPs struggling on a mere 5,000-6,000 a month pensions. Theirrumpus was a successs becuase they're backed by the motley crew of Schetyna, Petru, Miller, Zemke, Kalisz and Kijowski.
mafketis 24 | 9,387
30 Apr 2017 #2,853
"his office's crimkinal neglect of Smolensk presidential flight preparations"

Since when is the prime minister's office responsible for presidential flight preparations? Is the PM also supposed to follow the president into the toilet to make sure he wipes?
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
30 Apr 2017 #2,854
His stooge Arabski is on trial for neglect of duty. Tusk in collusion with the Kremlin did everything to discourage the president's trip. After Westerplatte where he heard the bitter truth about Katyń, Putin pressured ruling Warsaw (Tusk & Co.) to prevent Kaczyński's coming. This is but the tip of the iceberg. Then health min. Kopacz told the Rooskies that the Smolensk coffins would not be opened in Warsaw, so they scooped up what they could -- bodies, body parts, assorted dirt and debris and shovelled it all into random coffins. The bodies of the last émigré president Kaczorowski and Anna Walentynowicz got misburied under the wrong names. The Tusk mafia have had plenty of time to destroy evidence but enough of it has been saved to send him and his paid stooges on an extended all-expenses-paid holiday....behind bars.
cms 9 | 1,271
30 Apr 2017 #2,855
So as I understand once he loses his immunity he will stand trial for

- some nonsense about Syria
- a couple of company bankruptcies that he has nothing to do with (will Szydlo go on trial for Skok Wolomin ? of course not)
- some nonsense about Smolensk
- playing football on company time (which is as far as I got in your nonsense list of 500).

I hope not a grosz of my taxes will be used for this trial
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
30 Apr 2017 #2,856
I hope not a grosz of my taxes will be used for this trial

It will never go to trial, not unless the courts are completely under the control of PiS and the verdict can be pre-determined by them. Even if it does, Tusk has such strong support that it would almost certainly result in the PiS leadership fleeing Poland in the face of a Polish Maidan.

By the way, Arabski is subject to a private prosecution, not a public one. Polonius conveniently forgot to mention that.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
30 Apr 2017 #2,857
I'm in favor of what works

Zyklon-B worked far better than the exhaust fumes of Nazi lorries wasting precious petrol that could be used to fuel tanks and other German combat vehicles on the front. That was surely a preferable and more effective solution, wouldn't you say?
jon357 66 | 17,078
30 Apr 2017 #2,858
Tusk has such strong support that it would almost certainly result in the PiS leadership fleeing Poland in the face of a Polish Maidan.

This could actually happen. He and Sikorski have a lot of respect and support.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
30 Apr 2017 #2,859
It almost certainly would happen if PiS were stupid enough to attempt show trials in a kangaroo court.

This is also the reason why PiS haven't even attempted to lay charges on a single high profile member of the PO/PSL government.
Ironside 50 | 10,940
30 Apr 2017 #2,860
What crimes do you think Tusk has committed ?

If I recall correctly art.216 KK.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
1 May 2017 #2,861
He and Sikorski

Two born masters of conspiracy and intrigue for whom only personal power, privilege and prestige count. For 8 years the Sikorski-backed Tusk-Kopacz gang amply demonstrated they would do anything to preserve and perpetuate their clique's cushy-comfy status quo regardless of how it affected the rest of the nation, regarded by them solely as vote-providers.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
1 May 2017 #2,862
Tusk has such strong support

Thank goodness support for his Platformer clique is slipping and PiS are inching their way back to their rightful place. All indications are that they will soon resume their comfortable lead of at least 10% over Schetyna's scamster gang. The latest poll amongst respondents determined to vote was PiS 37% (that's the backing they won the 2015 landslide with!) and PO 34. PSL and Petru din't make it under the wire. Only Kukiz and (sadly!) the post-commies of SLD did. Chief Exective Andrzej Duda remain's Poland's most-trusted political figure with a confidence level of 63%.
jon357 66 | 17,078
1 May 2017 #2,863
Two born masters of conspiracy and intrigue

Two highly regarded statesmen. A rare thing in Poland and about the only credible politicians here.

their comfortable lead

Not according to polls. I know you love to cite them, and it must hurt you that the latest two show a result you dislike.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
1 May 2017 #2,864
Another day, another scandal with PiS.

This time, it concerns the wife of Wieslaw Binienda, better known as one of the architects of the Smolensk conspiracy theory. His wife, Maria Szonert-Binienda was recently made an honorary consul in their town in Ohio by PiS, and she promptly repaid the favour by posting pictures of Tusk online as a Nazi.

thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/304954,Polish-honorary-consul-suspended
What makes this case even funnier is that she keeps changing her story about why she did it. First, she claimed that it was her private Facebook account and that she could post what she wants there, before then claiming that her account was hacked. Instead of having the honour to resign, she is clinging on to her position.

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs under Waszczykowski continues to perform badly, and this matter is the latest example of incompetence and unprofessionalism by the PiS junta.
jon357 66 | 17,078
1 May 2017 #2,865
What makes this case even funnier is that she keeps changing her story about why she did it

She does have something of a history.

If I did it or you did it, it would just be a (very) bad taste joke. In fact I wouldn't do it. She is an Honorary Consul which shows that PiS are happy for Poland to be represented internationally by people who post very sick 'memes' about their country online.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
1 May 2017 #2,866
In fact I wouldn't do it.

I wouldn't do it as well, not even against some of the worst idiots in politics in Poland. It's crass, tasteless and a sign of a woman that has achieved nothing in life, unlike President Tusk.

PiS will almost certainly bin her, then give her some nice job representing the Polonia with a high monthly salary.

It's also been discovered that she was suspended from her duties as an lawyer in Pennsylvania. Why? The information isn't yet public, but it's another sign that PiS are appointing people with a bad record to public office.
jon357 66 | 17,078
1 May 2017 #2,867
@delphiandomine
I doubt they care how dodgy their supporters are.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
1 May 2017 #2,868
about their country online.

Not about their country, but about the failed and hated Tusk regime -- the only one in history to suffer a landslide defeat. That showed what the Polish nation thought of them. The good-change government will be instrumental in escorting them to the trash bin of history where they belong!!!
Ironside 50 | 10,940
1 May 2017 #2,869
Another day, another scandal with PiS.

Oh stop it. That is clearly BS. What allegedly has she done? Post some memes with Tusk? So what? Those pretexts are just getting old. PiS seems to expertise a very poor judgment as to the right strategy. They should have stood their ground.

Tusk talking about going to court - good luck with that. In America he'll only waste money. He should really build up his savings. It could save him from the time behind the bars if he would paid at least some compensation to the victims of the Amber Gold scam.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
1 May 2017 #2,870
latest two show

Wrong, the latest showed PiS 31 - PO - 29, the exact reverse of that single margin of error fluke. Another showed PiS with 37% support. Apparently you have been misreading the results. The hallmark of a fool is that he mistakes wishful thinking for reality.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
1 May 2017 #2,871
What allegedly has she done? Post some memes with Tusk? So what?

It really says a lot about you as a person if you think it's appropriate for representatives of Poland to post such things about world leaders.

Another showed PiS with 37% support.

And PO with 34%. The two parties are effectively neck and neck, and all the polls are showing Tusk defeating Duda easily in the 2nd round of the Presidential election.

The arrogance of PiS in throwing out over 900,000 signatures also did them harm.
Ironside 50 | 10,940
1 May 2017 #2,872
doubt they care how dodgy their supporters are

Kettle, pot, black You would excuse every crime to supported of your ideology as long as they pay the heed to all that commie BS you adhere to.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
1 May 2017 #2,873
all that commie BS

It's interesting that you have no problem with communists as long as they're of the right political colours, isn't it?
Ironside 50 | 10,940
1 May 2017 #2,874
representatives of Poland

She is not really a representative of Poland is she.

no problem with communists

I don't have problems with communists delph. I have no time for them.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
1 May 2017 #2,875
She is not really a representative of Poland is she.

Of course she is. She was made an honorary consul, which brings with it the duty of representing Poland abroad. They also receive special ID cards, and are expected to behave in the manner expected of diplomats. Don't you even have the slightest bit of shame that such an idiot was representing Poland abroad?

I don't have problems with communists delph. I have no time for them.

Still waiting for your condemnation of all the ex-PZPR types in PiS.
jon357 66 | 17,078
1 May 2017 #2,876
She is not really a representative of Poland is she.

She's the Polish Honorary Consul, appointed by the Polish government, so yes, she is very much a representative of Poland. There is not one molecule of doubt that she is an officially appointed representative of Poland.
Ironside 50 | 10,940
1 May 2017 #2,877
Don't you even have the slightest bit of shame that such an idiot was representing Poland abroad

What has she done? Posting some pictured of Tusk in the Nazi uniform? what's the harm and who cares beside PO and Tusk himself? NO ONE!

Still waiting for your condemnation of all the ex-PZPR types in PiS.

Do you need on a paper or e-bulletin will do?
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
1 May 2017 #2,878
throwing out over 900,000 signatures

POT KETTLE BLACK...
Citizens' petitions rejected during the during their 8 years of misrule by the PO-led junta included:
1. Petition for a referendum on state forests, signed by 2.5 million citizens
2. Petition for a referendum on on retirement age - 1.5 million signatrues
3. Petition for a referendum titeld "save our youngsters"
4. Petition for a referendum on the abortion law - 600,000
5. Petition for a "stop paedophilia"referendum - 250,000.
The PO paper shredder was indeed kept busy during those years.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
1 May 2017 #2,879
how dodgy their supporter

They don't get any dodgier that the SB, ORMO, PZPR, ZSL, KOR, ZOMO and other post-PRL elitists (politicians, academics, entertainers, scam artists, etc.) that constitute the opposition's core support base.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
1 May 2017 #2,880
Citizens' petitions rejected during the during their 8 years of misrule by the PO-led junta included:

One wonders why you support PiS doing the same thing as PO, then.

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