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Harry
12 Mar 2017 #2,341
PiS SB snitch

Because he's PIS's SB snitch. Or at least he's one of PIS's SB snitches.

What can one expect from a party which repeatedly allows a man who volunteered to prosecute the dissidents on whom SB snitched snitched to run unopposed for the Party leadership?
mafketis 24 | 9,374
12 Mar 2017 #2,342
volunteered to prosecute the dissidents

Please, find where he wrote or said "I volunteer to prosecute dissidents" (I want those exact words in Polish).

The truth is bad enough but your silly exaggeration weakens the effect.
Harry
12 Mar 2017 #2,343
I want those exact words in Polish

That's a pity: all posts here must be in English.

However, if you'd like to claim that the oath taken by prosecutors contained wording along the lines of 'I solemnly swear to faithfully serve the Polish state as a

public prosecutor, to stand as a guardian of the law and to defend the law without favour unless I personally disagree with any particular law, in which case I will not defend that law or prosecute people who break it', feel free to substantiate that claim.
mafketis 24 | 9,374
12 Mar 2017 #2,344
That's a pity: all posts here must be in English.

You can post the Polish and translate it (with source).

the oath taken by prosecutors contained wording

mentioning dissidents? I doubt it.

The truth, that he volunteered to work for the office in charge of prosecuting dissidents (among others) is certainly bad enough. No need to sex it up with the 'volunteered to prosecute dissidents' line which, since it can't be backed up, makes it easier for people to make excuses for him.
Harry
12 Mar 2017 #2,345
No need to sex it up with the 'volunteered to prosecute dissidents' line which, since it can't be backed up

He volunteered to prosecute all people who broke what the commie regime decided would be against the law. There was no 'conscience clause' for prosecutors then in the way that there is for doctors now which lets them refuse to prescribe birth control, back then prosecutors were told who to prosecute and did so, whether the 'crime' was picking pockets, rape or distributing unauthorised newspapers.
mafketis 24 | 9,374
12 Mar 2017 #2,346
He volunteered to prosecute all people who broke what the commie regime decided would be against the law

He volunteered to work for them. Did he actually work there? I actually forget since I don't tremendously care.
Harry
12 Mar 2017 #2,347
He volunteered to work for them. Did he actually work there?

Yes to the first question, no to the second, because his brother wasn't accepted by the same office.
jon357 66 | 17,040
12 Mar 2017 #2,348
Did he actually work there?

his brother

Worth asking if anyone else may have been prosecutors or judges and in which period. And if that answers any other questions relating to having an immensely privileged life in that difficult period
mafketis 24 | 9,374
12 Mar 2017 #2,349
And if that answers any other questions relating to having an immensely privileged life in that difficult period

It can be safely assumed that neither of the brothers K suffered much before martial law (during which only one was detained). I've said before that the communist party was probably like the mafia in Sicily - a lot of people were kind of affiliated with it though they didn't have formal membership.
jon357 66 | 17,040
12 Mar 2017 #2,350
There's quite a bit online on Polish language websites that explain exactly how that sort of thing allegedly worked for a certain family and who the relevant related VIPs were. And most controversially what their particular roles were.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
24 Mar 2017 #2,351
Another day, another poll, and this is seriously bad news for PiS. It's from Kantar Public, who use a face-to-face polling method that tends to produce better results for PiS.

wyborcza.pl/7,75398,21543385,sondaz-platforma-dogania-pis-partia-kaczynskiego-wpada-w-tarapaty.html?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=SM&utm_campaign=FB_Gazeta_Wyborcza

PiS: 27%
PO: 24%
Kukiz 15: 11%
Nowoczesna: 8%
SLD: 5%
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
25 Mar 2017 #2,352
volunteered to prosecute the dissidents

Another proof of who is PF's LIAR LAUREATE. He seems to think if he repeats this groiundless insinuation 1000 times, some fools will actually believe it.
mafketis 24 | 9,374
25 Mar 2017 #2,353
He seems to think if he repeats this groiundless insinuation 1000 times, some fools will actually believe it.

The same way that you think that if you keep posting your (metaphorical) blovvjobs on JK that people will actually believe it....
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
25 Mar 2017 #2,354
JK

JK is unversally regarded as the most powerful poltician in Poland, also by the opposition. Hence all the hate and derision directed at him!
Incidentally, your misfired erotic allusion showed a tasteless lack of class at or below the Delph and LL level!
mafketis 24 | 9,374
25 Mar 2017 #2,355
JK is unversally regarded as the most powerful poltician in Poland, also by the opposition. Hence all the hate and derision directed at him

The hate and derision is because he has power and no responsibility. That's a formula for despotism. And his putting personal grudges over the interests of the country (as in alienating all of Poland's European allies recently) is an emerging sign of that.

your misfired erotic allusion

erotic and JK have nothing to do with each other, if you think they do.... get help, please
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
25 Mar 2017 #2,356
erotic and JK

The tasteless remark was ascribed to me "metaphorically".
mafketis 24 | 9,374
25 Mar 2017 #2,357
Yes, it's metaphoric because you lack the courage needed to pursue your desires... (in my considered judgement).
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
25 Mar 2017 #2,358
pursue your desires

It's not a matter of courage but of conscience. But it does take courage to defend basic values in today's f*cked-up world. Only lower animals and people bereft of higher values are guided solely by raw instincts: defence of turf (material possessions), food chain (epicurianism in a world where so many go to bed hungry) and mating (pansexualism, promiscuity).
mafketis 24 | 9,374
25 Mar 2017 #2,359
But it does take courage to defend basic values

If you don't want to do something, it doesn't take courage to not do that....
Harry
25 Mar 2017 #2,360
this groiundless insinuation

It's actually a very well grounded fact. The Dear Leader Chairman Kaczynski's own brother confirmed on page 92 of Alfabet braci Kaczyńskich that the head of the PiSlamic State volunteered to prosecute dissidents during the commie era.

this is seriously bad news for PiS.

The interesting bit with those numbers is that the only way the PiSlamic State could stop the constitution being changed (for example an article introducing a mandatory and immediate five year prison sentence for any person who refuses to follow an order of the constitutional court) is to combine with the Cookie 15 mob. So PO/N will be able to paint a picture where a vote for the Cookie Mob is a vote for The Dear Leader Chairman Kaczynski.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
25 Mar 2017 #2,361
confirmed on page 92

Type the exact quote in Polish and maybe some might believe you. We know you don't know Polish but a sentence or two in any Latin alphabet can be mechanically typed.

If what you have incessnatly banged on about for ages is true it should more or less go as follows:
Mój brat zgłosił się na ochotnika, żeby móc ścigać dysydentów.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
25 Mar 2017 #2,362
Type the exact quote

Now we know how to shut up the Liar Laureate. Aks him to prove his lie is true and he falls silent and crawls back into the woodwork.
Harry
25 Mar 2017 #2,363
Type the exact quote in Polish

No thanks, the rules here say that all posts here here to be in English, and those rules apply to me.

Are you trying to claim that the late President Kaczynski was lying when he said that The Dear Leader Chairman Kaczynski volunteered to prosecute dissidents during the commie era?
mafketis 24 | 9,374
25 Mar 2017 #2,364
No thanks, the rules here say that all posts here here to be in English

It's okay to post in Polish w/English translation (your own, preferably)
Harry
25 Mar 2017 #2,365
your own, preferably

I've provided mine before. Polly doesn't like it. Perhaps you could translate the relevant part of page 92 of Alfabet braci Kaczyńskich?
mafketis 24 | 9,374
25 Mar 2017 #2,366
Perhaps you could translate the relevant part of page 92

Had a long response that the new feature completely flunked in keeping. First time I need it and .... nuthin'

Unless you can find a quote of his saying "I want to prosecute dissidents" or "Please let me prosecute dissidents" or "If you let me work here I'll prosecute dissidents for you!" or similar words from his mouth directly I'm not interested.

You're just hurting your own side with unsubstantiated embellishments when the plain truth is quite damning enough.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
25 Mar 2017 #2,367
when the plain truth is quite damning enough.

I find it very fascinating that no-one has seriously investigated the twins, to be honest. There's plenty of research on their current friends and how they're being handsomely rewarded, but no-one is looking at their pre-1990 connections.

Anyway, enough about PRL times, and rather an interesting story of complete nepotism.

oko.press/wojciech-jasinski

Wojciech Jasinski, faithful (druh?) and longtime Party comrade of Jaroslaw Kaczynski, earned over 1.7 million PLN as president of Orlen in 2016. This year, he will receive an additional 1.6 million PLN bonus from the previous year

There are no words.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
25 Mar 2017 #2,368
those rules apply to me

We all knew he would weasel out of this, but no-one knew exactly how. This time he is hiding behind rules and regulations. That proves his statement is a total fabrication and simply reaffirms why he is the PF's undispiuted Liar Laureate!
mafketis 24 | 9,374
25 Mar 2017 #2,369
I find it very fascinating that no-one has seriously investigated the twins

It's pretty obvious they had a very non-oppressed upbringing and probably had unofficial party connections, their very mild dissident actions seemed to be that typical of party brats. The current attempt to rewrite well-known history to make them the leaders of the anti-communist movement is nothing less than obscene.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
25 Mar 2017 #2,370
rewrite well-known history

What about efforts to eradicate evidence on SB sntiches Wałęsa, Tusk, Komorowski, Kwaśniewski and many others?
If there was anything irrregular or suspicious in the Kaczyński past, the toxic opposition would have pounced on it and ripped them to shreds long ago. It seems only the loudmouth LL is repeatedly banging on about the Kaczyński home and his father's alleged "connections". No-one else in this country of 38 million is. Ever wonder why?

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