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Poland's post-election political scene


delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
10 Mar 2016 #1,351
Not sure why you're quoting CBOS polls anyway. Any fool can take one look at them and see that something is clearly wrong with their methodology if every other poll is showing far less support for PiS.
gumishu 11 | 5,603
10 Mar 2016 #1,352
that is coming from a guy who would always say PiS are not going to win the majority in Sejm
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
11 Mar 2016 #1,353
And so, the 6am raids begin, just like we all said it would.

wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadomosci/1,114871,19750175,gw-policja-o-6-rano-weszla-do-domu-bieglego-ekspert-badal.html#BoxNewsImgZ3

The police entered the house of Adam Tarnowski at six in the morning, asking who pressured him about his evidence about Smoleńsk

Just so everyone is aware of the symbolism : General Jaruzelski declared the beginning of the martial state at 6am.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_law_in_Poland#Declaration

Dawn raids were a feaure of Communist life as people were always terrified of the early morning knock on the door. PiS have gone back to that state of affairs.
Dougpol1 32 | 3,245
11 Mar 2016 #1,354
people were always terrified of the early morning knock on the door.

There's a steel door on my gaffe Delph:)) Like to see the ******* get through that!
johnny reb 28 | 5,291
11 Mar 2016 #1,355
And so, the 6am raids begin, just like we all said it would.

If you really fear this of what is going on in Poland and you wanted to avoid having that knock on YOUR DOOR at 6 a.m. it seems you sure wouldn't be on a Polish public forum all day every day like you do as an expat posting anti PiS as you could be the next to get a knock at your door and be deported back to Scotland or worse yet, just disappear. :-o

There's a steel door on my gaffe Delph:))

LOL - and once they did get I suppose your bullet proof dog would bite them.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
11 Mar 2016 #1,356
Dawn raids

Dawn raids are typical of law enforcement wordl-wide- That's when it's most likely to find everyone in. They do this in raids on drug dealers and mafia types in the US and terrorists and other suspects elsewhere. It just stands to reason. Raids later in the day are less effective and wasteful if emeregncy forces are mobilised in vain and the action msut be repeated.

But there are the horse-blinkered set that imply everythng they dislike is a PiS innovation or specialtiy.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
11 Mar 2016 #1,357
They do this in raids on drug dealers and mafia types in the US and terrorists and other suspects elsewhere.

So you think that someone that gave evidence to the military prosecutors is in the same category as drug dealers, mafia types and terrorists?
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
11 Mar 2016 #1,358
same category

As a law-enforcement practice there is no difference. The purpsoe is one and the same: efficiency and cost-effectiveness. One needn't ideologise everything. Somehow no-one heard a peep out of you when the PO regime was spyingy physiclaly and electronically on dozens of journalists over the tape-scandal leaks. But what can one expected of those who start the day with an initial round fo PiS-bashing and say goodnight with a final anti-government flourish. Way to go!
mafketis 24 | 9,361
11 Mar 2016 #1,359
As a law-enforcement practice there is no difference.

What particular crime is he charged with? Daylight raids are to arrest wanted criminals who've been charged. They are categorically not intended for fishing expeditions by neurotic personalities with an ideological axe to grind.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
11 Mar 2016 #1,360
nepotism already on display.

Since your'e always on the anti-nepotism warpath, this item should interest you. It turns out that the Irena Rzeplińska, the wife of that old commie TK head Rzepliński, was a member of the CBA consultative council. The CBA have decided to dissolve the council because of it. You can thank me profusely for posting this because you might have overlooked it (LOL!)

link deleted - no English translation

I thought just the gist of a link was needed, not the full translation. The gist I have provided in my post.
Kingdoc
12 Mar 2016 #1,361
What political scene? there in the Eu, They hate left/right & anything in between!!
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
12 Mar 2016 #1,362
Anyway, as we've all seen, the Venice Commission's decision has been published.

The verdict is damning, and very very different to what was originally claimed after their visit.

The full verdict is here - venice.coe.int/webforms/documents/?pdf=CDL-AD%282016%29001-e

In short : the actions taken by the government endanger democracy and undermine the rule of law. The Venice Commission also added that the refusal to publish the decisions of the Constitutional Tribunal is unprecedented in Europe and that publishing them (and obeying the rulings) is a basic requirement for ending the constitutional crisis.

The European Commission will now also visit in April on the basis of the Venice Commission's report.

It also looks like Obama will not meet Duda in Washington in 3 weeks time, as the US State Department also wants to see PiS obey the rule of law.
dolnoslask
12 Mar 2016 #1,363
Meanwhile back in Poland out of the dark sinister light of foreign meddling.

Poles need to protect their Christian values because they give Europe and the world the best chance of overcoming the current crises, said Polish President Andrzej - See more at: thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/244309,Poles-cannot-be-afraid-to-defend-their-values-President-Duda#sthash.3nFOHvEh.dpuf

Poland's ruling conservatives well ahead of opposition: survey -

See more at: thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/244230,Poland%E2%80%99s-ruling-conservatives-well-ahead-of-opposition-survey#sthash.V89zLVes.dpuf

So to sum up, FIRSTLY the Government is protecting the Polish people and it's religion from the foreign corrupt Marxist libtards.
SECONDLY The opinion polls say that this is what the POLISH people want.
THIRDLY If you don't like it bog of to some other Libtard degenerate country in the EU
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
12 Mar 2016 #1,364
decision has been published.

You have conveniently omitted the part where the Venice Commission chief urged the government and opposition to work together to achieve a compromise, saying it is parliament that must utlimately resolve the stalemate. Unfortunatley, cooperation and compromise are very far indeed from the minds of the oppsiton. In fact, Schetyna has been hotting things up by threatening to institue a bloody Maidan in Poland. And Kijowski is threatening "nasty things" on the streets. Accorrding to Prof. Zybertowicz such talk places Schetyna beyond the pale of democracy.
dolnoslask
12 Mar 2016 #1,365
"You have conveniently omitted the part " This is what Marxist propagandists do,they twist the truth, infiltrate and damage anything that does not suit them or their ends.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
12 Mar 2016 #1,366
You have conveniently omitted the part where the Venice Commission chief urged the government and opposition to work together to achieve a compromise

Which begins by following the rulings of the Constitutional Tribunal.

The solution is simple : obey the law. Don't obey the law, and become isolated internationally with support only from Russia. Your move, PiS.

In fact, Schetyna has been hotting things up by threatening to institue a bloody Maidan in Poland.

I wondered when you'd bring that up. It was already shown by naTemat that it was yet more blatant manipulation on the part of TVP.

Anyway, we're already seeing the beginnings of a second Maidan in Poland.
dolnoslask
12 Mar 2016 #1,367
" beginnings of a second Maidan in Poland", shows how little some foreigners here know about Poland

There will be no Maidan here, we don't kill each other, there maybe a group of people sponsored and led my foreigners who try and disrupt our country and way of life, but they will fail Like all the others before.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
12 Mar 2016 #1,368
That sounds remarkably similar to the nonsense that came out of the Party of Regions.

By the way, you might want to catch up on the news, as there's already a permanent protest in place in Warsaw.
gregy741 4 | 1,204
12 Mar 2016 #1,369
That sounds remarkably similar to the nonsense that came out of the Party of Regions.

difference is...ukra maidanist were only against law enforcement units,while KOD is against law enforcement and 99% of poles.
if there is KOD maidan in Warsaw,it will end up with police protecting KOD from polish citizens.or they will get killed by poles
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
12 Mar 2016 #1,370
difference is...ukra maidanist were only against law enforcement units,while KOD is against law enforcement and 99% of poles.

Such crude propaganda. It's the same line being repeated by PiS constantly, that if you're against PiS then you're against Poland.

The reality is that all the opinion polls are showing the same thing - that the majority of Poles have a negative opinion of this government. KOD stands for everyone that is opposed to this crude attempt to seize absolute power in Poland.

if there is KOD maidan in Warsaw,it will end up with police protecting KOD from polish citizens.or they will get killed by poles

KOD isn't going to kill anyone. The fact that you're even thinking about civil war suggests that you're willing to kill Poles to keep PiS in power.
gregy741 4 | 1,204
12 Mar 2016 #1,371
The fact that you're even thinking about civil war suggests that you're willing to kill Poles to keep PiS in power.

edited
i explain to you what i meant like i would ,to retarded 12 yearl old.
i meant if KOD start any violent protest,poles will come out and beat the living s.hit out of em.to the point,they will beg police to protect them

nobody will do maidan in Poland to protect interest of few filthy banksters.
as for thinking about civil war...its piece of s.it PO Schetyna who is threatening democratically elected gov. with violence and killing not me
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
12 Mar 2016 #1,372
if KOD start any violent protest,poles will come out

Why would KOD start any violent protest? Just like in Maidan, it was the voice of the people that won the day, not violence. It says a lot about you that you're already thinking about how PiS can use hooligans and thugs to enforce their rule - just like the PZPR and ZOMO. Do we need any more proof that PiS = PZPRbis?

nobody will do maidan in Poland to protect interest of few filthy banksters.

It's already happening. Do keep up.

PO Schetyna who is threatening democratically elected gov. with violence and killing not me

Schetyna didn't threaten violence. You really ought to stop taking all your knowledge from right wing news portals run by PiS.
gregy741 4 | 1,204
12 Mar 2016 #1,373
Schetyna didn't threaten violence.

not only he threatened with violence..maidan WAS an violent protest.
question to you,,what is this definition of?:
"the unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims"
"this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear. "
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
12 Mar 2016 #1,374
not only he threatened with violence..

What part of "he didn't threaten violence" are you struggling with? He mentioned that there can be a second Maidan if the government doesn't follow the law.

The only people talking about violence are PiS supporters. It says a lot about you - that you're willing to massacre innocent Poles just to keep your political power, exactly like the Communists did. The lies, the smears, the threats of violence - it's exactly what Party of Regions did against the opposition in Ukraine.
gregy741 4 | 1,204
12 Mar 2016 #1,375
He mentioned that there can be a second Maidan if the government doesn't follow the law.

mentioned?
Maidan was an violent anty goverment event..if suggestions comes from person directly involved in KOD protests,its a threat.
threatening legally government with inflicting violence is terrorism
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
12 Mar 2016 #1,376
Maidan was an violent anty goverment event..if suggestions comes from person directly involved in KOD protests,its a threat.

What are you on about? The violence at Maidan Square was started by pro-Government forces, who were trained by Russians. Are you seriously trying to suggest that it was the protesters on Maidan Square that killed their own people with snipers?

threatening legally government with inflicting violence is terrorism

No-one is threatening any violence except PiS supporters. We understand that your crude Communist mentality involves nothing more than killing demonstrators, but you don't have to make it so obvious.
gregy741 4 | 1,204
12 Mar 2016 #1,377
Are you seriously trying to suggest that it was the protesters on Maidan Square that killed their own people with snipers?

fok who started it,its not the point,you that thick?..point is , what maidan become.it become violent and of violently overthrow legal government.who fokin started it,is not important in this discussion.

idiot Schetyna ,threatened legal government with maidan like protests down the road,which clearly threatening with use of violence by KOD,.
he doesnt speak from position of mere observer but as one of leader of KOD protests.and thats a threat or call for violence.
beside..lets not talk about maidan..those cnuts from all anty pis parties came today to defend democracy...all 300 of them showed up .lol
this s.hit is dead
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
12 Mar 2016 #1,378
fok who started it,its not the point,you that thick?

Legal government? There was nothing legal about that government in Ukraine. It was deeply corrupt, it had stolen a huge amount of money from Ukraine and sent it abroad and it had absolutely no legitimacy whatsoever. There was widespread fraud in the 2012 elections on behalf of the Party of Regions, and any attempt to claim that it was a "legal government" can only come from someone that is pro-Russia.

idiot Schetyna ,threatened legal government with maidan like protests down the road

Why are you so scared of a Maidan protest against the government? Is it because you know what worked once will work again?

which clearly threatening with use of violence by KOD,.
he doesnt speak from position of mere observer but as one of leader of KOD protests.and thats a threat or call for violence.

No-one has threatened violence, only your own paranoid PiS supporting fantasies are telling you that. Stop reading the right wing trash with their fantasies of sending the ZOMO boot boys after the opposition. It's unbelievably disturbing that you immediately think that the government will take the boots to the opposition if the protests grow.

beside..lets not talk about maidan..those cnuts from all anty pis parties came today to defend democracy...all 300 of them showed up .lol

"lol" is rather on your part.

Doesn't look like 300 to me.

Try harder.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
12 Mar 2016 #1,379
obey the law

Tyrants often cite the law. Urban smirked as he bald-facedly told Poles there were no political prisoners in Poland. Only people who have been duly convicted by independent courts of violating the law.

If Kaczyński were to announce: "Poland will accept 100,000 refugee/migrants this year, he'd become "man of the year" in the European media and nobody would give a tiddler's wink about the TK. Turkey violates every human right in the book but has become "the good guy" by offering to help solve the migration crisis.

Realpolitik isn't about hgih-soundign slogans (those are for the rabble!) but about effective power management. Check out Machiavelli.
gregy741 4 | 1,204
12 Mar 2016 #1,380
TK and constitution must be abolished.noble idea yet again corrupted by PO.it doesnt work.yet again PO managed to corrupt another institution for their political gain

its not democracy when few PO thugs are allowed to cripple legislation making process by parliament.
TK is commie invention during marshal law..signed and brought to life by same ppl who signed marshal law.

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