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Poland's post-election political scene


Ktos 17 | 456
27 Feb 2016 #1,111
A wonderful piece of doublespeak there. Who decides what might be illegal

Who sent you here?

What they do care about is making sure that political enemies are destroyed.

They care about destroying the enemies of Poland and so more power to them!
goofy
27 Feb 2016 #1,112
delphianodmine is a know persona non grata ;) he seems to be a fanatical supporter of the PO/PSL/SLD party line, please ignore him for the god of the discussion's coherence
goofy 1 | 39
27 Feb 2016 #1,113
LW's supposed legenmd is dead, now its time to debunk krzywonos, and bring honour and remembrance to the real more humble legends such as sp. Anna Walentynowicz or Gwiazda's family, would also love to see a bit more of Jan Olszewski since he has done so much for the Country
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
27 Feb 2016 #1,114
any sort of interrogation

Indeed, an honest citizen should support and cooperate with the police in whatever way is needed. At times monitoring the net or questioning different people may be required. The main thing is to rid the country of scam arrtists, hackers, drug dealers, paedos, car thieves, burglars, pickpockets, blackmailers and other undesirables and put them behind bars where they belong.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
27 Feb 2016 #1,115
Indeed, an honest citizen should support and cooperate with the police in whatever way is needed.

So you completely support the actions of the last government, then?

As for getting rid of 'scam artists', why was someone under investigation for corruption appointed to lead the police?
goofy 1 | 39
27 Feb 2016 #1,116
It looks more and more apparent to me personally that PiS is going to smash the Post-Magdalenka system of commie friends with benefits relationship between certain media.govt and other such instittutiions and people with ties to the old system.

Can't wait for the Grand Lustration to start, we should have done it ages ago buit oh well, I hope thy will imprison Balcerowicz and Bolek first.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
27 Feb 2016 #1,117
under investigation

Because in a country adhering to the rule of law people are innocent until proven guilty. Being investigated was tantamount to conviction only under Stalin and his ilk.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
27 Feb 2016 #1,118
I agree with you, but Poland ceased to be a country adhering to the rule of law after Duda refused to swear in the new TK judges despite being ordered to do so. From that moment on, it became the rule of Party.
goofy 1 | 39
27 Feb 2016 #1,119
TK was a way of Platformers keep a hold on power...
Max Kolonko (ENG SUBS) expains better than me)


delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
27 Feb 2016 #1,120
Well, well, well. Another great example of the "good, change" comes from the Venice Commission, which appears to have been rather more critical than PiS would have liked.

The Constitutional Court has been blocked, which violates the fundamental values ​​of democracy. The government can not block the judgments of the Constitutional Tribunal" - said in a very critical draft opinion of the Venice Commission to the changes made by PiS.

wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadomosci/1,114871,19688822,trybunal-konstytucyjny-zostal-zablokowany-gazeta-wyborcza.html

It should be remembered that it was PiS that invited the Venice Commission to come to Poland, and that the EU has also made it clear that they will rely on the judgement of the Venice Commission before proceeding.

There's a great English language link here : thenews.pl/1/10/Artykul/242508,Venice-Commission-warns-that-democracy-in-Poland-at-peril-in-draft-opinion

The draft report said that "as long as the situation of constitutional crisis related to the Constitutional Tribunal remains unsettled and as long as the Constitutional Tribunal cannot carry out its work, not only is the rule of law in danger, but so is democracy and human rights."

OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
27 Feb 2016 #1,121
Another great example

An even better great example is the audit being conducted at the Defence Ministry. The prosecutor has already been notified about certain PO-era acts of corruption which have weakened Poland's defence capacity. Hopefully audits will be carried out in other ministries abused or mismanged by Platformers.

fakty.interia.pl/polska/news-antoni-macierewicz-audyt-wskazuje-na-korupcje,nId,2153375?hkt=facts-1#iwa_source=bloczek_poczta
pweeg3
27 Feb 2016 #1,122
Who sent you here?

Here, I thought you were in Australia? Moved back to Russia?
gregy741 4 | 1,204
27 Feb 2016 #1,123
have you read todays Szydlo interview?:
Poland will not take a single immigrant,not even those 7k agreed
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
27 Feb 2016 #1,124
Even better, just spotted this on the Prime Minister's twitter feed - twitter.com/PremierRP

The opinion of the Venice Commission is not binding.

Given that the European Union has strongly indicated that the Venice Commission's report will influence the actions in Brussels, it's safe to say that Szydło is heading straight into open conflict with the EU. Starting a fight rarely works if you're holding your hand out for cash at the same time.

But that's not all.

We need to talk about changes in the pension system. To lower the retirement age will not solve the problem.

HAHAHAHA. What happened to the promise to lower the retirement age in the first 100 days, Pani BS?
gregy741 4 | 1,204
27 Feb 2016 #1,125
Given that the European Union has strongly indicated that the Venice Commission's report will influence the actions in Brussels,

they can kiss our ass.we have Szydlo as prime minister not some swedish puff...yeaaaaaaaa bring it on

Starting a fight rarely works if you're holding your hand out for cash at the same time.

it will work..have some faith
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
27 Feb 2016 #1,126
they can kiss our ass.we have Szydlo as prime minister not some swedish puff...yeaaaaaaaa bring it on

Hahahaha. You don't get it, do you? The government is openly relying on the EU providing Poland with half a trillion złoty in funding. If that funding gets cut off, the PiS government falls within weeks.

it will work..have some faith

It won't work. Germany, Italy and others are already furious, and post-Brexit referendum, Cameron will have no use for Poland.

More to the point, countries such as the Czech Republic and Slovakia stand to gain bigtime by Poland losing out, hence they have no reason to support Poland.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
28 Feb 2016 #1,127
If that funding gets cut off

LOL ! That would finally finish off the whole nasty thing. Bring it on. Greece, savages, Brexit, now Gerries/EUnuchs "punishing" democratically elected national government. Be my guest.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
28 Feb 2016 #1,128
It would strengthen it, as it would be clear to everyone that if you want EU money, you play by their rules. It would certainly change minds on Brexit, as the UK is a huge supporter of money being used sensibly instead of propping up tinpot regimes.
porky pok 2 | 127
28 Feb 2016 #1,129
instead of propping up tinpot regimes.

Specify please?
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
28 Feb 2016 #1,130
In further proof of PiS moving heavily away from Washington and heading towards Moscow, here is an excellent editorial by the Boston Herald.

We don't care that documents seized from the files of a dead apparatchik appear to prove that Lech Walesa worked for Poland's secret police. Walesa remains a hero.

bostonherald.com/opinion/editorials/2016/02/editorial_lech_walesa_a_hero_still

PiS (or more accurately, Kaczyński) seem to have completely forgotten that any attempt to smear Wałęsa internationally is going to result in everyone thinking that the Polish government is a complete joke. The Americans in particular regard him as being a symbol of the free world - and the irony of the PZPR-riddled PiS going after Wałęsa won't be lost on them.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
28 Feb 2016 #1,131
Walesa remains a hero.

For:
* commies that he provided with the safe landing in 3rd RP.
* international big business that was allowed to transfer a few hundred billion out of Poland.
* "social-democrats" and other shyt that try to ride on this dead horse.

Bolo is a village idiot, people here know it very well, last time he was running for office, he got 1.01%. The only difference is that this time people can clearly see the whole 3rd RP was built on the rotten foundation. May the KOD, PO & Sewtru unite under the leadership of mighty Bolo, that would be something :)))

Who or what is Sewtru? Please use correct names for public figures,so you don't confuse readers
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
28 Feb 2016 #1,132
The draft report by the Venice Commission has been published in full :

static.presspublica.pl/red/rp/pdf/kraj/komisjawenecka.pdf

The most important conclusion is here.

However, as long as the situation of constitutional crisis related to the Constitutional Tribunal remains unsettled [...], not only is the rule of law in danger, but so is democracy and human rights.

The report contains considerable criticism of the government's arguments, particularly the way that PiS have attempted to portray judges as being political and belonging to political camps. Furthermore, it expresses alarm over the way that the government has been making defamatory statements about judges on the Constitutional Tribunal.

If PiS refuse to accept the opinion of the Venice Commission, then the pressure can only increase from the EU. Stopping agricultural payments should do the trick.

Just to provide an English language news source about the Venice Commission's opinion:

politico.eu/article/poland-kaczynski-szydlo-tribunal-constitution-crisis/

"I want a return to normalcy. There is an attack on the rule of law in Poland," said Beata, a Warsaw translator. "I see the attack on the Constitutional Tribunal as an attack on the state."

Putin must be loving every second of this. PiS are tearing Poland apart, and with it, leaving behind a weak, debt-ridden corrupt mess that will fall victim easily to Russian imperialism.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
28 Feb 2016 #1,133
are tearing Poland apart

Nothing warms Putin's heart more than the sight of ranting anti-government KOD throngs streaming through the streets, further polarising Polish society, spreading the Polish-Polish row worldwide and calling on outside forces to provide "fraternal assistance".
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
28 Feb 2016 #1,134
All PiS have to do is to respect the ruling of the Constitutional Tribunal. It's very easy, and every day that PiS don't do it is a day spent pushing Poland further towards Russia.

Then again, I suspect it's entirely the plan. PiS = PZPRbis, and with it comes close ties to Russia at the expense of European relations.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
28 Feb 2016 #1,135
All PiS have to do

Never forget this was all started by PO's illicit TK appointments, who knows if not a deliberate trap to destablise the future government. At that time PO already knew they would not win the election. One has do admit that PO, KOD an other RT Salon groupings produce far cleverer, manipulative propaganda than the salt-of-the-earth Polish patriots rallying round PiS. But does louder ranting, street cabarets and craftier slogans make one right?
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
28 Feb 2016 #1,136
Polonius, it's all in the Vienna Commission report. It couldn't be clearer - PiS have threatened democracy and the rule of law with their actions.

No amount of crude PZPR-style propaganda attacking the opposition will change that. It's quite remarkable that this government seems to be spending more time attacking the opposition than anything else.

The triple combination of the attacks on Wałęsa, the KOD march yesterday and the opinion of the Vienna Commission will do nothing but erode confidence further in this government. Good.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
28 Feb 2016 #1,137
erode

Erode-shmerode. The dogs can yap and growl to their heart's content but the caravan moves on slowly but surely. All the ranting and chanting will change not a bloody thing!

And it's Venice Commission, not Vienna!
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
29 Feb 2016 #1,138
The harassment of the opposition continues in Poland.

thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/242603,Anticorruption-police-search-former-ministers-house

It's pretty clear that members of the opposition should now take great care to protect themselves against the authorities, as the CBA has returned to their 2005-2007 role in abusing and harassing opposition members. We can expect further assaults on the opposition to follow. PiS are hell bent on returning to the days of the 6am knock on the door by the secret police.
goofy 1 | 39
29 Feb 2016 #1,139
The harassment of the opposition continues in Poland.

you mean fighting crime that was completely covered up during the 8 years of the PO-PSL ?
Yh yh how many shekels/roubles are they paying you ?
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
29 Feb 2016 #1,140
you mean fighting crime that was completely covered up during the 8 years of the PO-PSL ?

What crime? We all know that this is just the usual Communist harassment by PiS of the political opposition.

You're blinded by hatred, but if you genuinely knew your history, you'd know that Communist parties in Europe used such agencies to routinely abuse, harass and insult the opposition. We now see the same in 2016 in Russia and Poland.

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