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Poland's post-election political scene


mafketis 24 | 9,387
22 May 2017 #3,211
an American who is not a commie can in all seriousness support PO over PiS

PiS is essentially PRL with catholicism and nationalism in place of communism they systematically repeat PRL ways of doing things
- making the party leader the most powerful person in the country
- appointing loyal but incompetent people who predictably make a shambles of things
- trying to turn institutions like schools and media into their PRL incarnations

What I want in a political party
- rule of law over 'the ends justify the means'
- economic reality rather than free cookies for votes
- social capital over connections
- social cohesion over ideological warfare
- international realism rather than making enemies for no reason
- personal and national responsibility instead of looking for scapegoats

No party in Poland comes close to this, so please stop saying I support PO (beyond being very slightly less horrible on those issues than PiS).
cms 9 | 1,271
22 May 2017 #3,212
Add to that accountability to the people - that the person who has her face plastered on election posters, with the word Premier, is the person who is in charge. That power is exercised via state functions, and that being President or Prime Minister is a higher function than being party leader.
Ironside 50 | 10,940
22 May 2017 #3,213
PiS is essentially PRL

Excuse me maf, do you remember ..have you experienced PRL? If not ....are you repeating what you have heard?
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Are you familiar with systems in Germany or France? I advice you to look beyond slogans. Those countries are much more centralized and with a strong presence and direct influence of the state than Poland in the most radical dreams of JK.

Just to keep things in perspective.
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In you three bullet point there is nothing new. The only difference is that instead progressive ideology, patriotic model is being postulated by PiS due to strong pressure from a large chunk of the populace.

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Add to that accountability to the people

Are you sure that you understand what that word mean? For the last 30 years no high ranking politician or other high profile individuals with connection had been faced with accountability, regardless of the fact many deserved to be handed or locked behind the bars. So in this context taking about JK is nothing but a pointless jab at JK.

Any more HS?
jon357 66 | 17,078
22 May 2017 #3,214
That power is exercised via state functions, and that being President or Prime Minister is a higher function than being party leader.

Entirely due to the Party Leader, Jaroslaw Kaczynski being so unelectable as to be electorally toxic. So he just subverted democracy instead.
Ironside 50 | 10,940
22 May 2017 #3,215
So he just subverted democracy instead

Really? In what way? Jon don't pretend that you care about democracy.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
22 May 2017 #3,217
"lawyers" in crumpled suits, farmers and small town Soltys t

Aren't we the elitist snob and look-down-your-nose-on-your-fellowman buffoon?!
Harry
22 May 2017 #3,218
Entirely due to the Party Leader, Jaroslaw Kaczynski being so unelectable as to be electorally toxic.

Not only him. Noted anti-semite Macierewicz was kept firmly locked in the attack with Szydło swearing blind that there was no truth at all in reports that he was going to be defence minister. Of course those were back in the days when she might even have believed that she was going to pick her own cabinet rather than having the list of ministers given to her by the First Secretary of the Party, Jaroslaw Kaczynski.
jon357 66 | 17,078
22 May 2017 #3,219
It's the same all the time with PiS - when they appoint "lawyers" in crumpled suits, farmers and small town Soltys to run major corporations then chaos quickly ensues.

Don't forget the moustaches and the Stalinist-style three-piece gangster suits.
jon357 66 | 17,078
22 May 2017 #3,220
Looks like Misiewicz has abandoned the PiS junta, with according to him "no regrets". I think it's a case of 'watch this space'.
Harry
22 May 2017 #3,221
It looks like PiS has decided to shut down the Opole racket (less money for the city but more ideological purity!)

The latest news is that the Mayor of Opole has told TVP to do one and cancelled the agreement between the city and TVP on the grounds that the line-up proposed by TVP is completely different to the promised one and he doesn't want the festival to be a festival of kitsch. TVP have responded by saying they're going to sue Agora, Wirtualna Polska, Ringier Axel Springer Polska and Newsweek Polska.
mafketis 24 | 9,387
22 May 2017 #3,222
TVP have responded by saying they're going to sue Agora, Wirtualna Polska, Ringier Axel Springer Polska and Newsweek Polska.

Huh what do they hope to accomplish besides rallying their base of losers? What are the suing them for? Reporting the truth?

Again, the structure of PiS mostly prevents the hiring or appointment of qualified people so they get a menagerie of party hacks and boobs and conmen
jon357 66 | 17,078
22 May 2017 #3,223
TVP have responded by saying they're going to sue Agora, Wirtualna Polska, Ringier Axel Springer Polska and Newsweek Polska.

Basically threats and an opportunity for grandstanding by PiS junta lawyers and certain politicians.
Harry
22 May 2017 #3,224
What are the suing them for? Reporting the truth?

Apparently it's for reporting that Kayah was blacklisted for taking part in KOD protests.

Normally truth is an absolute defence against charges of libel, but in the PiSlamic State First Secretary Kaczynski decides what is and is not true. Presumably TVPiS will be waiting with the law suit until after the PiSlamic State has seized full control of the judiciary.
cms 9 | 1,271
22 May 2017 #3,225
@Polonius3

I think its reasonable to expect people to be qualified to do the job that they are getting paid for. So I am not going to respect people who should not be in the room in the first place.
mafketis 24 | 9,387
22 May 2017 #3,226
its reasonable to expect people to be qualified to do the job that they are getting paid for

Which is why you're not a PiS supporter! (rim shot)
Harry
22 May 2017 #3,227
I think its reasonable to expect people to be qualified to do the job that they are getting paid for.

But in the PiSlamic State the only qualification that is needed is unquestioning personal loyalty to the First Secretary of the Party, Jaroslaw Kaczynski!
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
22 May 2017 #3,228
to sue Agora, Wirtualna Polska, Ringier Axel Springer Polska and Newsweek Polska.

I hope they win their case. Those arrogant anti-Polish moneybags throwing their weight around deserve to be cut down to size.
jon357 66 | 17,078
22 May 2017 #3,229
the PiSlamic State

Every day another nail in their coffin.
Ironside 50 | 10,940
22 May 2017 #3,230
Noted anti-semite Macierewicz

He is doing a very good job as a defence minster. One of the best minsters in the government.

I think its reasonable to expect people to be qualified to do the job that they are getting paid for.

Like Kopacz, Semoniak, Sienkiewicz, Sikorski? pathetic quip.. lol!

(rim shot)

You must have been loosing a lot in translation (rim shot).
jon357 66 | 17,078
22 May 2017 #3,231
He is doing a very good job as a defence minster.

Are you joking? The guy's a laughing stock. Probably the first time in history that seven, yes seven, predecessors of a minister, ones from all political shades, sign an open letter to say that a minister of defence is totally and utterly unsuitable to hold that office.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
22 May 2017 #3,232
a laughing stock

Only among the post-commie clique. They are still quivering that the files on their dirty deeds and those of their families will eventually get thrown open. Hopefully ASAP!
jon357 66 | 17,078
22 May 2017 #3,233
Only among the post-commie clique.

A pretty big clique, with many millions of voters.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
22 May 2017 #3,234
First Secretary of the Party

Making up titles again, PiSlamic Harry? Isn't that against the rules?
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
22 May 2017 #3,235
many millions of voters

Under Gierek there were 3 mln PZPR members, thousands of ZSL and SD members plus countless fellow travellers, usfeul idiots and opportunists, esp. in academia and showbiz. Most every such person who got a passport to travel abroad professionally had to pledge to become an SB snitch. All those people did not all just disappear after 1989, and their famileis continue to enjoy the fruits of PRL-era collaboration. SO yes-- it was and remains a very big clique Remember -- all you know is what fellow-PiS-bashers and their vindictive media tell you. You weren't even here back then, so what do you know?
jon357 66 | 17,078
22 May 2017 #3,236
members

Members? Or normal people, unaffiliated to any party, who consider Macierewicz to be the laughing-stock that he is.

Not to mention his seven immediate predecessors who signed an open letter declaring him unfit for his role.
mafketis 24 | 9,387
22 May 2017 #3,237
All those people did not all just disappear after 1989

And a good thing too because the country would have plunged into a major depression (about 10 times worse than what really happened)

ost every such person who got a passport to travel abroad professionally had to pledge to become an SB snitch

Does this include Rosiewicz? Mr PiS sing-a-long? How did he escape?

what fellow-PiS-bashers and their vindictive media tell you

Why is the current government so pathologically incapable of admitting mistakes? Or does being a patriot mean never having to say you're sorry?
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
22 May 2017 #3,238
seven immediate predecessors

One wonders what they've got on their conscience?

unaffiliated to any party

Fellow travellers, useful idiots and non-party opportunists are normally not affiliated with any party. That's why parties such as the PZPR and PO can point to them and say: "See, they aren't members but they support us because we're right!" A ruse as old as the hills!
Harry
22 May 2017 #3,239
Making up titles again, PiSlamic Harry? Isn't that against the rules?

I can't use his official title, it's in Polish and all posts here have to be in English. And First Secretary of the Party is certainly the most accurate translation of his role and worldview.

But anyway, there's no rule here against making up titles, so one could refer to him as unicorn breeder Kaczynski and that would be fine. There is a rule against changing the names of other posters here, but I expect that's another of the rules which doesn't apply to certain people.

the fruits of PRL-era collaboration.

You mean fruits such as multi-million zloty villas in leafy suburbs of Warsaw?

conscience

That's clearly not something which ever bothers the leading figures of the PiSlamic State.
jon357 66 | 17,078
22 May 2017 #3,240
Fellow travellers, useful idiots and non-party opportunists

Voters, Po, voters...

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