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Poland's post-election political scene


OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
14 May 2017 #3,121
First Secretary Kaczynski

No such title. It's Prezes (President) Kaczyński. You don't want to be called Hairy but misspell the name of Poland's great political strategist and elder statesman. It's Kaczyński, with a palatalised "ń" as in Spanish mañana and piñata.
Bristols - | 13
14 May 2017 #3,122
the biggest scam in Polish histor

Nationalism
Harry
15 May 2017 #3,123
who played ball with the former Soviet-imposed regime and now do not want any evidence of their misdeeds to surface.

I wonder who you could be describing there. Obviously you're describing First Secretary Kaczynski, whose own brother tells us he signed up to prosecute the enemies of the commie state, but your description sounds a little more personal than just that.

Both he and the lady mayor will soon be brought to justice

That's a interesting word to describe the latest example of the PiSlamic State either thinking that they are above the law or being too incompetent to operate within Polish law.

Nobody is above, even the PO's second-in-command.

Nobody other than senior members of the PiSlamic State, such as minister Jaki.
mafketis 24 | 9,387
15 May 2017 #3,124
No such title. It's Prezes (President) Kaczyński.

Parties don't have presidents in English..... In America they have Chairs (Chairman or Chairwoman) and in the UK they have Leaders which doesn't seem to have an honorific

Chairman Kaczyński is the best translation for Americans.

Poland's great political strategist

He is that, as long as he doesn't get sidetracked with one of his jihads against one of his (very many) personal enemies.... but he has no self control in that area so if Tusk is smart he'll periodically and strategically taunt Kaczyński....

a palatalised "ń" as in Spanish mañana and piñata

In words like czekanie yes, it coule be hispanicized as checañe but a word like cachiñsqui is impossible in Spanish... And most Polish speakers pronounce it like a nasalized j before s, so that Gdańsk sounds like Gdajnsk (where the n just nasalizes the j in front of it)
Harry
15 May 2017 #3,125
Chairman Kaczyński is the best translation for Americans.

Given the way that he runs his party, to say nothing of his contempt for the rule of law and democracy, First Secretary Kaczynski is by far the most accurate translation in his case.

if Tusk is smart he'll periodically and strategically taunt Kaczyński....

Yep, and because First Secretary Kaczynski has no self-control and no understanding of the fact that he needs to win the floating voters to win an election, instead of just preaching to the unfortunates who will vote for him no matter what (with the obvious exception of Radio Maybach telling them to vote for somebody else), he'll continue driving away the floating voters he needs. Marvellous stuff, isn't it?
mafketis 24 | 9,387
15 May 2017 #3,126
just preaching to the unfortunates who will vote for him no matter what

The unfortunates don't realize that JK has no real incentive to make things better for them... He has every incentive to keep preaching to them that their problems are due to the commies (or flying purple dolphins or whatever). If they begin to think of themselves as non-victims then they might decide to vote for another party, as long as they have imaginary bogeymen to blame their problems on then they'll stick with PiS no matter what.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
15 May 2017 #3,127
Kaczynski

As predicted ny this poster, after a few flukes by some of the more dodgy (easier to bribe?!) pollsters, things have got back to normal, The latest CBOS poll shows 39% support for PiS, 26% - PO, Kukiz - 7% and Petru - 5%.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
15 May 2017 #3,128
n just nasalizes the j in front of it)

Not "just" if by that you mean "only". Yes, there is a j-sound ahead of the ń but the ń itself is definitely palatalised (softened), It is not a hard n as in nowy, pan, narodowy, etc.

I recall a friend frorm Argentina named Koszucki, whom the Argentines called koSUdzi. In Anglo-jabber Kaczyński (also thre name of a serial terrorist the Unibomber) often gets anglo-mangled into something like kaZINski.
mafketis 24 | 9,387
15 May 2017 #3,129
In Anglo-jabber

Why are you so hostile toward your native language?
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
15 May 2017 #3,130
hostile

Arrogant WASPs and other Anglophones with their ridiculous superiorityy complex
(one PF-er is a prime example -- he won't learn proper Polish but but wants to impose his Anglo ways and anti-values on the host country the way the Muslim vermin do!) have always rubbed me the wrong way. And my first language was Polish. I always had a purely pragmatic and utilitarian attitude towards the Anglo-Saxon tongue devoid of any emotional attachment.
mafketis 24 | 9,387
15 May 2017 #3,131
he won't learn proper Polish

Won't or not smart enough?
I love the Polish language but it's not something that can be picked up casually or without committed systematic effort (unless you're a child acquiring the language naturally).

Not learning a local language despite living there for years is always attributable to some combination of dumb and lazy...
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
15 May 2017 #3,132
imaginary bogeymen

There probably isn't a family in Poland that doesn't have some missing and unaccoutned for as a result of the Soviet take-over. That came on top of the Hitlerite atrocities Poland suffered. They also see which party wants to sweep it all under the carpet. The IPN team who almost daily through DNA research turn up the remains of additional vicitms of the defunct PRL reigme so their loved ones can at least pay their last respects, have a grave to visit on 1st November. And they also know which party wants to dissolve the IPN. A majority in Poland now know that the Michnik-Balzerite transformation rewarded many of the oppressors and punished those who opposed them, the Solidarity rank and file as well as the pro-independence opposition. (You'll notice the Michnikites always speak of a "democratic opposition" meaning themselves, atheist neo-Trotzkyite leftists out of sync with the nation as a whole but through clever propaganda pretending they and they alone represent the will of the nation.) Ordinary Poles know which party the winners of the transformation flock round. The present government are trying to level the field and spread the fruits of transformation around more equitably. Is that so horrible? Sure they make mistakes and stumble but that is the normal human conditon. Only those who do nothing never err. Probably through no fault of your own you have been spared most of the collective horrors suffered by Poland over the past seven decades or so. Calling that all a fictitious bugbear is an unkind blow.
jon357 66 | 17,078
15 May 2017 #3,133
the Muslim vermin

Not a very good advert for either a political outlook or a religious affiliation...
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
15 May 2017 #3,134
good advert

Advertisers and poiiticians sugar-coat and euphemise when they want to foist something off on the people, but there are times when a spade should be called a spade. We are urged by the Good Book to say " tak, tak" and "nie, nie" rather than relativising sin and evil.

quote=mafketis]dumb and lazy...
@ mafketis[/quote]
Amen, brother!
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
15 May 2017 #3,135
be describing there

Much of the PRL-rooted academic and showbiz establishment, many polticians esp. from SLD, PSL, UD, UW, ROAD and PO (esp. all the anti-heroes of the Nocna zmiana episode), most of those in or supporting KOD, retired army brass and militia, restitution swindlers such as the Gronkiewicz-Waltz family (you'll notice "Gronkowiec", although richly deserved, is conspicuously missing!) and many, many more. There are enough of those who actually harmed decent patriotic Poles to deal with (40,000 people were evicted from their homes during the restitution scam alone!) that someone who volunteered but didn't make the grade is not worth worrying about. The more so if he missed one Sunday Mass last month and is now facing excommnication at the Vatican!
jon357 66 | 17,078
15 May 2017 #3,136
sugar-coat and euphemise when they

So, Po.

1. As a practising Christian as you have claimed here to be (though all evidence from your posts points to the contrary), do you stand by your phrase:

Muslim vermin

2. And would you relish hearing PiS politicians saying it in public.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
16 May 2017 #3,137
stand by your phrase

In casual conversation, especially those of today's foul-mouthed WTF generation, would not say what they do at the pub in a public speech. And in this case, the behaviour of the vermin (Islamise or die, public decapitations, terror acts against crowds of innocent people, open rape season on Christian girls, extermination of Christians, destruction of churches and many other heinous acts) has been so extreme that it could turn St Francis (or Pope Francis) into a serial killer. Verbally reacting to such outrageous behaviour is extremeley mild compared to what is being reacted to.
jon357 66 | 17,078
16 May 2017 #3,138
So that looks like:

1. No
2. Yes
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
16 May 2017 #3,139
So that looks like

You're almost as "bright" (?!) as your know-all ............. (I won't say his nick), so you figure it out.
jon357 66 | 17,078
16 May 2017 #3,140
so you figure it out.

I asked you two questions. A simple yes/no answer is all that's required:
1. Do you think that using the phrase

Muslim vermin

is compatible with your much-vaunted christianist values?
2. Would you relish hearing PiS politicians saying it in public.
mafketis 24 | 9,387
16 May 2017 #3,141
your much-vaunted christianist values?

dont' be ridiculous, he's no more a Christian than I am....
jon357 66 | 17,078
16 May 2017 #3,142
He has however claimed openly to be here in the forum on many occasions. Then calls people "vermin".

Perhaps it's the difference between Christian and christianist.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
16 May 2017 #3,143
calls people "vermin"

If the shoe fits.... Those are not people if they act like vermin.

On naotehr score, that homos for Islam malarkey really took the biscuit. Next you'll be saying there's a "feminists for Islam" movement.
jon357 66 | 17,078
16 May 2017 #3,144
If the shoe fits

So you've admitted that in fact you do stand by your phrase

Muslim vermin

despite claiming to be a practising Christian.

Not a great advert for your set of values, is it?

It tells us all we want to know really.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
16 May 2017 #3,145
vermin

Vermin are vermin by any other name to paraphrase the great Szekspir.
jon357 66 | 17,078
16 May 2017 #3,146
to paraphrase

And you did indeed say

Muslim vermin

An interesting take on humanity from a supporter of PiS' political catholicism.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
16 May 2017 #3,147
supporter

Neither a PiS member, supporter, campaign donor nor voter. I am merely a "życzliwy obserwator".
jon357 66 | 17,078
16 May 2017 #3,148
supporter,

So you aren't a supporter despite praising their meagre 'achievements' and anti-democratic outrages at least thrice daily. Who knew. And as the chief apologist for the PiS junta here, I suppose it shouldn't be much of a surprise that you say:

Muslim vermin

nor voter

Of course. You aren't entitled to. But it's hard, given your constant vocal support to imagine you voting for the opposition.

Muslim vermin

The Southern Poverty Law Center and the Ośrodek Monitorowania Zachowań Rasistowskich i Ksenofobicznych would doubtless be concerned enough to record that unpleasant phrase appearing online, albeit under a pseudonim.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
16 May 2017 #3,149
Rasistowskich i Ksenofobicznych

Yes, call in the free-speech-muzzling PC police. The world constantly hears of new inroads by the PC dictatorship which you claim doesn't even exist, So, read on:

--The law to prevent violence against women may have seemed reasonable judhgigjn by its title except that its promtoers used it as a smokecreen to slip through gender ideology. Luckily PiS have abrogated that PO-passed law, but in countries that have adopted it we now have unisex toilets in schools. Yeah sure, 14-year-old girls realły feel safe in a loo with boys hanging around!

--Just recently this has made the rounds of the world media: in France it is forbidden for the media to show a child with Down syndrome in a happy family setting or simply smiling. Why? Because a woman bearing such an as yet unborn child might not agree to have it scraped out. The abortion industry first and foremost, innit?

P.S. Has your guru finally decided to spell his nick Hairy? Several of his posts are now signed that way.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
16 May 2017 #3,150
meagre achievements

The desperate, trough-starved, toxic opposition have been constnatly banging on about economic collapse, this failure, that shortfall, etc. when in actuality quite the opposite is true. Just today we have learnt that first-quarter GDP growth of 4 percent shows Poles are optimistic, investment has picked up and the government's economic policy is paying off. And Poland now has the lowest jobless rate for 27 years. PO doomsday purveyors were shown on TV a few months ago predicting an economic carastrophe, now all they can do is cry in their beer. Serves 'em right!!!!

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