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Poland's post-election political scene


mafketis 24 | 9,372
18 Dec 2015 #271
Because the previous regime violated the constitution.

Which the TK ruled on in an entirely predictable fashion. Had PiS waited for the system to work they could be working on their program. Their priorities however are not about impleementing their program apparently.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
18 Dec 2015 #272
but so am I

So you've stood at his side on the bus roof? Interesting. Somehow nobody recalls seeing you there.
Whether you liek it or not, Petru has become the face and voice of the movement -- everyone agrees on that. It's not PO's Neuman nor PSL's Kosiniak. IT'S PETRU!
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
18 Dec 2015 #273
Had PiS waited for the system to work they could be working on their program.

It's interesting that they haven't really passed a single thing from their programme, it's all just about putting their ex-PZPR men into as many positions of power and influence as possible.

Petru has become the face and voice of the movement

No, Kijowski is the leader of the movement. I assure you that no-one is talking about Petru in our circles.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
18 Dec 2015 #274
in our circles

In our circles...sounds like the confession of a conspirator. Better watch your step. All this will eventually subside, but the label of "foreign subversive" may be hard to live down.

Dunno what goes on among fellow-plotters in your conspiratorial circles but to the average Polish telly watcher and press reader PETRU IS THE FACE AND SPOX OF THE ENTIRE RUMPUS. Most Poles wouldn't know what that old hippie Kijowski even looks like.
Harry
18 Dec 2015 #275
the "loyal" (?!) opposition.

The opposition are supposed to be loyal to the state, which is why we are protesting about the PISite attack on the Polish constitution.

the label of "foreign subversive" may be hard to live down.

Hard to imagine that statement is made from personal experience.
Dougpol1 32 | 3,245
18 Dec 2015 #276
Polish voters don't want refugees here. Okay, end of story. It's not worth fighting over.

I don't agree.

Read Hansard and other documentation. Diplomats were sick of the Polish insular attitude then, as they are now.

We helped in 1919 by doing the right thing. We helped in 1939, we helped in Martial Law, we helped with EU grants.

Well time for Poland to get it's finger out of it's ( very big) arse. IMO of course.
G (undercover)
18 Dec 2015 #277
Well time for Poland

Or not :)))))

Let's have a referendum on the "refugees".
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
18 Dec 2015 #278
Let's have a referendum on the "refugees".

Why do we need a referendum if there's a clear political consensus that people don't want them?

I'd prefer a referendum on Duda right now. He would almost certainly lose it.
G (undercover)
18 Dec 2015 #279
a clear political consensus that people don't want them

Among "defenders of democracy" :)))))))) ?
jon357 66 | 17,040
18 Dec 2015 #280
I'd prefer a referendum on Duda right now.

Yet another scandal and there will almost certainly be one. He hasn't done well at all. I wonder what his approval rating is.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
18 Dec 2015 #281
defenders of democracy

Saw a photo of a very well-fed Kalisz on FB next to his Jagaur and the caption: "Defending democracy" (antoerh PZPR type in the Petru-Kijowski gang). If I were computer savvy enough to transfer it here I'd happily share it. How do you guys post pix on PF? Is it where you hold down the left mouse and release it at the destination site?
jon357 66 | 17,040
18 Dec 2015 #282
a very well-fed Kalisz

'Fat-shaming' now, Po3?

I wonder how many of the PiS flappers could do with losing a kilo or two...
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
18 Dec 2015 #283
Fat-shaming

Is that a word or did you make it up? What about car-shaming? Except that could work both ways -- either driving high (BMW, Jaguar, Mercedes, Alfa as in Kalisz's case) or low (Fiat Panda, Toyota Aygo, etc.).
jon357 66 | 17,040
18 Dec 2015 #284
Google it, Po3, Google it
Ironside 50 | 10,939
18 Dec 2015 #285
We helped in 1939, we helped in Martial Law, we helped with EU grants.

Geez you have the cheek, that I grant you freely!
jon357 66 | 17,040
19 Dec 2015 #286
If anyone isn't up to date with the sheer nuttiness going on in Poland at the moment, this article is a good one:

Polish military police have raided a Nato-affiliated counterintelligence centre in Warsaw in the latest of a series of moves by the country's new rightwing government to consolidate its hold on power.

The raid took place at 1.30am on Friday at the temporary offices of the Nato Counter Intelligence Centre of Excellence. According to the Gazeta Wyborcza newspaper, senior aides of Antoni Macierewicz, the defence minister, accompanied by military police, entered the building using a duplicate key.

theguardian/world/2015/dec/18/polish-military-police-raid-nato-centre-warsaw
dolnoslask
19 Dec 2015 #287
"Nato-affiliated counterintelligence" affiliated is the key here it has nothing at all to do with the NATO organisation and NATO have distanced themselves from this incident.

This organisation isn't quite what it seems to be on the surface, a very interesting development I think, have a dig around and you will see what I mean.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
19 Dec 2015 #288
nuttiness

All the nutiness is in the newsroom of the Kosher Gazette. Did you get a load of today's headline:
MACIEREWICZ ATTACKS NATO!
They forgot to mention whether he was using a lance or sabre. LOL!
jon357 66 | 17,040
19 Dec 2015 #289
Your post, Po3, is a prime example of such nuttiness.

They forgot to mention whether he was using a lance or sabre

He had a duplicate key cut and turned up in the middle of the night with goons.

Soon, Po3, soon, sanity will triumph and Macierewicz and Kaczynski will be out.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
19 Dec 2015 #290
will be out.

Sooner you'll be out.... Logistics notwithstanding, MON had every right to replace the hastily PO-stacked research unit. PO thought they were pulling a fast one but were found out and their scheme got nipped in the bud. Hats off to Macierewicz for his vigilance!
jon357 66 | 17,040
19 Dec 2015 #291
Now that, Pol3 is beyond clutching at straws - clutching at hairs from Kaczynski's cats maybe..,
Ironside 50 | 10,939
19 Dec 2015 #292
If you are unable to address the issue, as you have no arguments and you were wrong in repeating nonsense it would be so much better if you keep quiet rather then making silly remarks.
jon357 66 | 17,040
19 Dec 2015 #293
Looking in the mirror when you wrote that? Just a weak mirror, by the way, of the various dirty tricks that we've seen.

Back on-topic please
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
20 Dec 2015 #294
If anyone isn't up to date with the sheer nuttiness going on in Poland at the moment, this article is a good one:

It's a very good article, and the story went viral. Macierewicz's actions have just guaranteed no NATO base in Poland (and probably not anywhere except the Czech Republic) for the next 10 years.
jon357 66 | 17,040
20 Dec 2015 #295
Back on-topic please

It's actually very much on topic, since the topic involves the current crop of dirty tricks and anti-constitutional behaviour by terrified PiS supporters. Basically they're wrong-footed on every level by the pro-democracy movement and whereas here they can only resort to abuse, in real life as we saw with today's bomb scare and last week's hacking scandal,,Poland's post-election political scene has become very dirty indeed.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
20 Dec 2015 #296
Poland's post-election political scene has become very dirty indeed.

It's very very good for us in the opposition. The more dirty tricks, the more people will head to the streets. Their tricks are rubbish anyway.
jon357 66 | 17,040
20 Dec 2015 #297
Their tricks are rubbish anyway.

Quite - that polirical tendency has a reputation for crying wolf anyway, so the current crop of dirty tricks will mean that they can get away with less, and should one of their lame excuses ever in the future be half true, nobody will ever believe them.

I don't thing PiS have fully cottoned on how the Internet works. When they do, they'll probably try to ban it.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
20 Dec 2015 #298
nobody will ever believe them.

Yes, the beautiful thing about PiS is that they're so prone to petty tricks (such as claiming that everyone attending a KOD demonstration was paid) that when they find something genuine, no-one believes it because they've lied so much.

I don't thing PiS have fully cottoned on how the Internet works. When they do, they'll probably try to ban it.

I'm 100% certain they're going to try and introduce some typical PRL-esque **** filter that will 'accidentally' ban other websites too.

Just spotted this cracker of a story : thenews/1/12/Artykul/233432,Polish-National-Stadium-CEO-replaced

Półgrabski will be replaced by a long-time PiS party member, Jakub Marcin Opara, who had previously worked as an aide to former president Lech Kaczyński... This will be the first time the National Stadium has ended the fiscal year in the black since opening its doors for the Euro 2012 championships. The stadium has hosted a multitude of sports, social, cultural and business events. PL.2012 organised 27 major events in 2015 alone, generating an income of over PLN 46 million.

In other words, a successful CEO has been replaced with yet another PiS puppet.
Ironside 50 | 10,939
20 Dec 2015 #299
you and your dirty tricks and lies are just disgusting.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
20 Dec 2015 #300
Macierewicz's actions have

What did Maciereiwcz do that was illegal? His aides forsaw the option of not being admitted voluntarily, so contingency-wise they resorted to the least drastic way of circumventing the obstacle. The police are known to insert explosive charges and break the door down.

Most importantly, if PO had won the election, do you think they would allow this research unit to be staffed by hand-picked PiS cronies? Not on your life! SO where's the problem? There isn't any but when PiS-bashing ammo is running low, any excuse will do.

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