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Poland's PiS party members and crime


Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
19 Nov 2015 #181
Then start a thread

You're the crime expert and have followed PO's shenanagins closely all these years so you've got the necessary expertise.
OP delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
20 Nov 2015 #182
The headlines just keep writing themselves...

Jerzy Szmit, politician from Law and Justice representing Olsztyn, who lost his license for multiple traffic offenses, was appointed by Prime Minister Beata Szydło to work in the Ministry of Infrastructure. He will work on road transport - informs the website parlamentarny.pl

wprost.pl/ar/525551/Dwukrotnie-tracil-prawo-jazdy-W-rzadzie-PiS-zajmie-sietransportem-drogowym

Bwhahahaha. How many criminals can PiS possibly put into government?

And more to the point, to lose your licence in Poland, you have to be an insanely bad driver.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
20 Nov 2015 #183
How many criminals

How many criminals linked to PO or supporting it can a political chauvinist like yourself overlook?
Somehow you failed to mention that the Platfus government deliberately shortened the crime expiry period to reward their most faithful electorate: the convict community. The PO fared better in Poland's prisons than any other political party. Something to be expected of Poland's leading theft, abuse and scam party -- PO.

wpolityce.pl/spoleczenstwo/257774-platforma-obywatelska-chce-zadbac-o-swoj-najwierniejszy-elektorat-od-jutra-ulega-skroceniu-okres-przedawnienia-przestepstw
OP delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
20 Nov 2015 #184
Polonius, Polonius...this isn't about PO. It's about the criminality of PiS members.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
20 Nov 2015 #185
about the criminality

Unless you are a biased and one-sided poltical chauvinist, you were invited to start a PO crime thread for the sake if balance. Someone constantly doing nothing but badmouthing PiS must be badly distorted adn obsessed. Are they paying you (in whcih case your bias is at least understandable) or are you just being a "useful idiot"?
OP delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
20 Nov 2015 #186
I'm not really sure what this has to do with PiS being the party of crime.
Wulkan - | 3,250
20 Nov 2015 #187
Nothing because PO is the party of crime for the last 8 years
OP delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
20 Nov 2015 #188
Again, nothing to do with PiS and crime. Let's stick to the topic, here.
Wulkan - | 3,250
20 Nov 2015 #189
Stating the truth is always good even if a bit off topic.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
21 Nov 2015 #190
PiS being the party of crime

By comparison the PO is Poland's crime party and they've had 8 years to prove it. A draught hrose is a strong animal but not when compared to an elephant!
OP delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
21 Nov 2015 #191
I'm just amazed that you're doing everything to deflect from the fact that PiS have appointed a man that lost his driving licence twice to head up the road transport division.
Wulkan - | 3,250
21 Nov 2015 #192
Still nothing in comparison with what PO has done.
WielkiPolak 58 | 1,034
22 Nov 2015 #193
I'm just amazed that you're doing everything to deflect from the fact that PiS have appointed a man that lost his driving licence twice to head up the road transport division.

It's amazing it's like a guy who stole the entire contents of a house, pointing the finger at someone who took a stapler and a couple of pens from work. How about we deal with the vast amounts of sh%t that PO has done first?
Borsukrates
22 Nov 2015 #194
I'm just amazed that you're doing everything to deflect from the fact that PiS have appointed a man that lost his driving licence twice to head up the road transport division.

Don't be amazed. It's a proven Soviet tactic. In Poland, it was known as "A u was biją Murzynów!".
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
22 Nov 2015 #195
vast amounts of sh%t that PO

The Brit Bully tag team have a pat answer to that (and most egverything else): "This thread is about PiS & crime so why bring PO into it?" When I suggested they set up a "PO & scam" thread, there was no response. The same when one of them alleged PiS was riddled with ex-PZPR members. Upon closer scrutiny It turned out that PO had 4 times as many. At least that shut the Blowhards up! But probably not for long.
OP delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
22 Nov 2015 #196
It gets better and better every day :D

"Pardoned persons have been found guilty by the courts. Pardon is not an acquittal. The act of pardon does not change the verdict and does not undermine their conviction". Who said so? Andrzej Duda, in 2011. Four years later he pardoned the former head of the Central Anticorruption Bureau Mariusz Kaminski.

wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadomosci/1,114871,19228100,ulaskawia-sie-osoby-uznane-przez-sady-za-winne-akt-laski-nie.html#Czolka3Img

So there we have it. Duda feels that Kamiński is a criminal, too. I mean, the facts aren't in doubt, but still, it's nice to see that Duda agrees with us on the matter.
Harry
22 Nov 2015 #197
Don't be amazed. It's a proven Soviet tactic. In Poland, it was known as "A u was biją Murzynów!".

Astounding how PIS claim to be so strongly anti-commie but copy so many of the commie regime's methods. But then they also claim to be strongly opposed to crime in general and corruption specifically but in reality their cabinet contains convicted criminals and their most senior elected member is happy to both defraud the Polish taxpayer and pardon other criminals when told to do so by his boss.

When I suggested they set up a "PO & scam" thread, there was no response.

If you want a thread with that title, start one. And after you've done that explain why the most senior elected member of PIS is hiding behind immunity instead of answering the charges against him.
Ironside 50 | 10,939
22 Nov 2015 #198
there is no crime Harry in that case there is only politick.
OP delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
22 Nov 2015 #199
There is plenty of crime in using taxpayer's cash to earn cash privately.

Anyway, how do you feel about Duda's strong feelings about Kamiński being a criminal?
WielkiPolak 58 | 1,034
23 Nov 2015 #200
So you want to know how we do or do not feel about Duda's opinions on a PiS member who may or may not be a criminal. At least the president isn't a criminal.

How do you feel about former president Komorowski (who I'm sure you like) stealing all this stuff from Belweder? Not very classy for a former president to be such a thief. Unless of course fairies took it, because one way or another it has vanished?
OP delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
23 Nov 2015 #201
So you want to know how we do or do not feel about Duda's opinions on a PiS member who may or may not be a criminal. At least the president isn't a criminal.

The PiS member is very much a criminal - as Duda made clear, the pardon means that guilt is confirmed. PiS therefore have a criminal at the heart of their government.

How do you feel about former president Komorowski (who I'm sure you like) stealing all this stuff from Belweder?

Nothing to do with PiS and crime.
Ktos 17 | 456
23 Nov 2015 #202
PiS therefore have a criminal at the heart of their government.

You are funny, most politicians, if not all, are criminals. It is hilarious how you get all rattled by some nit picking in Polish politics while in Poland nobody cares about trivialities as such, it is a truly western phenomenon. We are concerned about more serious matters, as for corruption, it happens everywhere. Are you sure you live in Poland?
HenryS
23 Nov 2015 #203
Merged: Poland's PO and PSL party members and crime

This thread is specifically to discuss people connected with PO and PSL and crime - such as drink-driving, fraud and misuse of public money, involvement in Smolensk's tragedy...etc
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
24 Nov 2015 #204
PO and PSL and crime

Here are some links to PO scams, abuses, mismanagement, nepotism, etc. You should have plenty of items to consider, discuss and work with:

markd.pl
niewygodne.info.pl/artykul5/02035-Zgubne-skutki-rzadow-ekipy-Platformy-Obywatelskiej.htm
blogpress.pl/node/7889
naszeblogi.pl/44217-2000-afer-przekretow-przypadkow-nepotyzmu-ect-wystarczy
Nathans
24 Nov 2015 #205
I think we should stop the PO vs PiS nonsense. It's a game good for sheeple, but reasonable Poles should get over the scam. In the US there is Rep / Dem party, but they are all the same. They only differ on social / BS issues; when it comes to REAL issues like stealing money from tax papers, global warming scam, etc. - they are all the same. It may not be very obvious yet (they don't try to spoil the game, so for now they pretend to be different on a wider range of issues, but it is just a matter of time, probably till the next elections in 5 years, that the only 'differences' will be social / BS issues). The goal is to divide and conquer and un-unite whatever remains united. Poles should not get duped - these are the same people working for the same masters (EU / Brussels).
Harry
24 Nov 2015 #206
Here are some links

Those are the same foreign language links that have already been binned once. It's regrettable you so clearly believe the forum rules about not posting links to foreign language sources, not reposting already binned content and not ignoring the instructions of mods. I wonder why so many PIS members and supporters think that rules don't apply to them.

How do you feel about former president Komorowski (who I'm sure you like) stealing all this stuff from Belweder?

I hope you have some evidence that Komorowski stole something, if not, well, I'll come to that below.

Unless of course fairies took it, because one way or another it has vanished?

As I have pointed out in the past lots of people are invited to the president's palace to meet the president, even I've been invited there! Some people will leave the palace with things that they should not leave with, most often tea-spoons, apparently. Are you now going to tell us that Komorowski has been stealing teaspoons? Also, no stock-keeping system is perfect, mistakes are made with paperwork and things are misplaced. That is why stock-takes are carried out. I can absolutely guarantee you that every single time the president changes, various items are not found where the stock list says they should be. For example, when Komorowski took over at the Presidential palace, a set of some deer antlers were missing his team didn't immediately start shouting "The deer antlers that were certainly here when Kwasniewski was here are gone! The Duck must have sold them on ebay!", which was lucky, given that they were found later.

Nothing to do with PiS and crime.

Actually there is. WielkiPolak and gregy and so on are PIS supporters and they are all accusing Komorowski of being a thief, so they are libeling him. Certain forms of libel in Poland are a criminal offence. So we can see that even when they are discussing other politicians PIS supporters try to copy the politicians they support.
Ironside 50 | 10,939
24 Nov 2015 #207
As I have pointed out in the past lots of people are invited to the president's palace to meet the president, even I've been invited there! Some people will leave the palace with things that they should not leave with, most often tea-spoons, apparently

What about precious paintings 2by4 or commodes? Did they hide them in their pants as well? You should know, share with us.
What about President Villa in Klarysew which has been striped bare down to the kitchen appliances, what's left empty rooms and bare walls. Who have nicked it all - fairies?

Not to mention money, budged for the whole year 2015 have been gone by July. Who is responsible - you?
Just stop your BS.
Harry
24 Nov 2015 #208
What about precious paintings 2by4 or commodes? Did they hide them in their pants as well? You should know, share with us.

And what about those deer antlers which should have been in the presidential palace when Komorowski moved in? Where were they? Had The Dear Leader Chairman Kaczynski's brother had them mounted on the front of the presidential plane?

What about President Villa in Klarysew which has been striped bare down to the kitchen appliances, what's left empty rooms and bare walls. Who have nicked it all - fairies?

You mean the villa which Komorowski never used? The one which he was never able to use because of the condition of it when he became president. The one which was used as storage and which was planned to be transferred from the president's office to the Treasury. And nobody 'nicked' anything from that villa: there is paperwork for the items which were transferred from that facility to other facilities of the president's office.

I really hope that somebody from the former president's office starts legal proceedings against the scumbags who are libeling them, although no doubt Duda will also pardon those scumbags when his boss tells him to.
Ironside 50 | 10,939
24 Nov 2015 #209
I really hope that somebody from the former president's office starts legal proceedings against the scumbags

Don't worry, the new crew are already ahead and they'll start legal proceeding soon.
OP delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
24 Nov 2015 #210
trivialities

You honestly think that having a convicted criminal running Poland's secret services is a "triviality"?


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