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Poland to officially demand $1.32 trillion WW2 reparations from Germany


Kashub1410 6 | 689
9 Sep 2022 #211
@Lyzko
So theoretically, if China invaded Korea together with Japan, ruled each part together for a few years during a major conflict. Japan set up camps for unwanted minorities, elites and brutally opressed the population with goal of enslaving them and keep them for low wage-slave labour for eternity. Then Japan invades China (which has liquidated as many leaders, officers or anyone of high rank in it's own part of Korea. Given Korean minorities more original Korean surnames, forced Chinese with Korean heritage to create a foreign concept of a "peoples party of Korea")

China loses at the start but is eventually able to win with Japan with horrible losses.

Keeps it's own part of Korea, but then takes a bit of western Japan and gives it to Korea.

Installs it own "Koreans" in Korea and forces to sign a truce between a Puppet Japan and Puppet Korea (illegitimate) and waver all claims and reperations.

70 years later Korea starts talking with a free and sovereign Japan that says legally they don't own Korea ****. Cause a treaty was signed.

Korea goes: Excuse... What?
Lyzko 45 | 9,442
9 Sep 2022 #212
With that last post, Crow, one might take flagrant exception, especially if one is German:-)

Erstwhile Yugoslavia belonged to the so-called "Russian Corridor" after '45 and its Partisan Leader Josip Broz aka Tito, fought the Nazis tooth and nail. Germany never succeeded in destroying either Yugoslavia and her splinter tastes or any of her less fortunate neighbors. They survived bloodied yet unbowed.
Crow 154 | 9,004
9 Sep 2022 #213
Erstwhile Yugoslavia belonged to the so-called "Russian Corridor" after '45

and after 48` Yugoslavia unofficially became part of NATO.

and its Partisan Leader Josip Broz aka Tito, fought the Nazis tooth and nail.

Tito was communist leader and later dictator installed by Britain and Vatican. He fought Serbian royalist Chethiks and also initiated communist rebellion against Germans in Serbia because non-other in Yugoslavia wanted to fight against Germans and actually worked with Germans- like ustashe in Croatia, Muslims in Bosnia or Albanians on Kosovo. So people in Serbia got two anti-German forces 1. Serbian Chetniks and 2. Serbian Partisans. Plus, thanks to Tito we got Civil War in Serbia that later expanded on all Serbian lands within Yugoslavia. Tito also coordinated with Croat nazi ustashe.

Germany did destroy Yugoslavia back in 1941 and in 1991. But Germany never broke the Serbs.
Lyzko 45 | 9,442
10 Sep 2022 #214
Yugoslavia was a member of the Warsaw Pact, but until she broke up into separate nations during the '90's following the collapse of the Soviet Union, she nonetheless maintained a sense of separatism, Slavic in hertitage, independent in statehood:-)
gumishu 13 | 6,138
10 Sep 2022 #215
Yugoslavia was a member of the Warsaw Pact, but until she broke up

Yugoslavia was not part of the Warsaw Pact
Lyzko 45 | 9,442
10 Sep 2022 #216
I know that Bulgaria, Poland, Czechoslovakia along with a total of almost a half-a-dozen countries belonged to the Pact.

Tito consented to membership in NATO, although I believe a condition for joining the latter. was a policy of Western-friendly and anti-Communist sentiment!

@gumishu,
Of course, I just remembered that back in '55, Western-leaning Yugoslavia wouldn't have been allowed to join the Warsaw Pact.
'Scusez-moi!
Korvinus 3 | 501
11 Sep 2022 #217
once "German" cities or towns "stolen" from them after the War

map

checks the map above
Germs are not even nearly done giving us our rightful clay back.
Kashub1410 6 | 689
11 Sep 2022 #218
@Korvinus
You must forgive him, his time span of legitimate borders and ownership around at 100-200 years. Which makes people more eager for conquest sadly due to thinking: Ey we just keep it hundred years and everyone be thinking it's ours! Yey!
Crow 154 | 9,004
11 Sep 2022 #219
Poland to officially demand $1.32 trillion WW2 reparations from Germany

In the wake of new architecture of Europe, what Poland telling essentially is that `territory of Germany belongs to Poland`.

Not that I complains.
Alien 20 | 5,052
11 Sep 2022 #220
@Crow
Nobody is telling that. Germany is Germany, Poland is Poland and we are all EU. And you?
grethomory 1 | 155
11 Sep 2022 #221
Ha, that's a joke getting reparations. It's like African Americans who literally built America for free getting anything like reparations.
pawian 224 | 24,484
11 Sep 2022 #222
African Americans who literally built America for free

And today they are still held in contempt and insulted by white Ams.
jon357 74 | 22,060
11 Sep 2022 #223
@grethomory
They should, and I hope that one day they will.
amiga500 4 | 1,541
12 Sep 2022 #224
No, it isn`t, stop deluding yourself, it is infantile. 70 -80% Poles support the EU and Poland in it

As usual you use an simple debating trick, change the subject to something else when you know you are in the wrong, like a child.

The issue is getting money from EU money, and pressuring Germany with reparations. The majority of poles support getting the EU development funds even with PiS/current legal reforms. You are just a dumb PO parrot, anyway keep chirping away, poland is behind us to bring the EU and Germany to it's senses. Or worse you are a german agent , since you belienve that changing our legal system to that of Spain means we should not be in EU, May your goat be run over by the neighbours truck traitor!
pawian 224 | 24,484
12 Sep 2022 #225
change the subject to something else

It always amazes me when rightards lie in such a blatant open way even when they perfectly realise their lies can be easily debunked. Amasing!!!! :):):):):)

Darling. It was you who said:
and that the polish population is behind us

and I replied with
70 -80% Poles support the EU and Poland in it

poland is behind us to bring the EU and Germany to it's senses.

Of course not. PIS rightards and naziopolaken have about 35% support. Ha!

Btw, what Poland behind you are you talking about if you live in Australia after your communist collaborating parents decided to move there when Poland regained independence????? hahahaha

May your goat be run over by the neighbours truck traitor!

I already told you to leave my poor goat alone. Live and let it live.
Cojestdocholery 2 | 1,191
12 Sep 2022 #226
70 -80% Poles support the EU

Conditionally. Why you even bring it in here? Those numbers are just guesses. I know that peasants like you are stuck in the past and can't grasp reality very well. So you just like all baboons are backwoods EU fatiful and blind servants.
Lyzko 45 | 9,442
12 Sep 2022 #227
@Kaszub and Korvinus,
Again I refer you guys as well as the rest of PF-participants in this thread to the somewhat analogous Arab-Israeli conflict, even the England-Ireland situation, both as yet unresolved!
pawian 224 | 24,484
12 Sep 2022 #228
No, darling, those numbers were polled. :):):)

85% Poles support Polish membership in the EU, enthusiasticaly or mildly. 15% don`t.

The latest poll from August 2022.
pap.pl/aktualnosci/news%2C1401865%2Cpoparcie-polakow-dla-czlonkostwa-w-unii-europejskiej-najnowszy-sondaz.html

Will you stop lying now?????? :):):):):)

Why you even bring it in here?

Because I like unnerving Polish and Polonia rightards and naziopolaken with those numbers based on multiple polls. Why not????? :):):):)
Cojestdocholery 2 | 1,191
12 Sep 2022 #229
What is with your histeria? you know you are lying? Is that it?
You are German butler not their dog not a patriotic Pole - so stop that lie at least.
We don't need EU, we need only a trade agreement with European countries. The fact you are stupid and don't see that the EU doesn't solve our problems but only create problems for Poland.

Anyway WE are talking here about Germany they F up and still try to rule and preach at Poland.
pawian 224 | 24,484
12 Sep 2022 #230
We don't need EU

Moronic rightards and naziopolaken believe so. I won`t say they think so coz it would suggest they are able to perform such a complicated activity as thinking. hahahaha

but only create problems for Poland.

No, darling, it is the Polish rightard govt which is creating problems here and in Europe. Ha!

and preach at Poland.

For a good reason, darling. They will stop when the rule of law prevails in Poland under the new govt. Simple. Ha! :):):)
Lyzko 45 | 9,442
12 Sep 2022 #231
Poland certainly does need [THE] EU, Cojest! The entire continent of Europe needs a "capital" of sorts if she is ever to join the much desired Concert of Europe, long envisioned from Metternich up through French Premier Schuman.

If the United States of America has Washington, DC. why then shouldn't a United States of Europe have Brussels?
jon357 74 | 22,060
12 Sep 2022 #232
The entire continent of Europe needs a "capital" of sorts

Where should that be? Brussels? The economic capital is London, despite attempts from Paris and Frankfurt to destroy that.

long envisioned from Metternich up through French Premier Schuman

What they envisaged was hegemony for their own two countries.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,865
12 Sep 2022 #233
Where should that be?

Since the Brexit London can't be the european capital....a true capital is not only about finances and economy but also for meetings and events and such bonding things.

It would be like the United States having it's capital in...say....Middle America....or even more southern.

London ist definitely a financial global hub, but you have to differentiate between continental, EU Europe and non-members....and when most european countrier already are/will be in the future EU-members that leaves London, the UK out.
jon357 74 | 22,060
13 Sep 2022 #234
Since the Brexit London can't be the european capital..

For finance, it very much is; there's only room for on major financial centre in the group of timezones that make up Europe, and London still very much has the crown, despite Micron's sniffing around which didn't work.

for meetings and events and such bonding things.

We have those.

like the United States having it's capital in...say....Middle America

Or New York rather than Washington for finance...
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,865
13 Sep 2022 #235
We have those.

Really? The EU members meet there for new laws? To elect new top positions? To greet new member, to have parties at founding day etc. etc. etc.?

Or New York rather than Washington for finance...

...or in Canada...it is in the same continent after all!
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,865
13 Sep 2022 #236
....it seems to me the immense popularity of the Queen did hold it all together during all these years....I wonder if it will all fizzle out now slowly with her gone.

That makes her funeral so doubly sad and important....it could be truly the end of an era!

(My....how did it go so quickly so far OT???)
Cojestdocholery 2 | 1,191
13 Sep 2022 #237
Poland certainly does need [THE] EU, Cojest!

Yes, by all means tell me what MY country needs. I have been living in all my life and you visted it 25 years ago for a week. Yet you know better.

Moronic rightards and naziopolaken

Seek doctors help. As always you have no argument but you are full of yourself. It wouldn't be half bad if you would be full of baboon sh't!

By the way Germany should pay up or the the very least admitt they own it to Poland.
mafketis 37 | 10,911
13 Sep 2022 #238
Their empire wasn't all bad

There were certainly lots of flaws with colonialism but the countries that still blame that for their problems decades later.... have problems that are deeper than having been colonized at one point.
jon357 74 | 22,060
13 Sep 2022 #239
immense popularity of the Queen

The popularity (I'd not call it immense) of Her Majesty or that of The King (who has replaced Her as Europe's leading head of state) doesn't have any specific impact on war reparation claims by the current polish regime.

did hold it all together

Not so much popularity of one individual (who rarely said anything at all), more respect for the monarchy and the way it links past, present and future in one apolitical and unambitious person.

In Polish terms, it would be as if John Paul The Great regenerated like Dr Who every few years.

Though the reparation claims are a big ask and largely a political tool. At the level of sorting politicians rather than serious international relations.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,865
13 Sep 2022 #240
Not so much popularity of one individual

Here I would disagree....IMHO it was definitely her personality which made the monarchy bearable and even likeable for many people who otherwise wouldn't care less!

King Charles will have big shoes to fill...and I wouldn't call him "Europes leading head"...he doesn't lead Europe! ;)


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